posted May 15, 2012 09:12 AM            

i am an adult, have never really had a real connection with my mum (she had a rough marriage).

then i have a disconnection with my siblings. we don't have all out drama, but there is just no togetherness. and this is also happening in the generation before us and trickling to the generation after us.

posted May 19, 2012 12:24 AM            

Uranus, Neptune or Saturn in the 4H.
Pluto or Mars in the 4H for domestic abuse.
Moon/Mars for abuse.
Venus/Saturn if you felt unloved.

Saturn in the 1st or aspect ascendant if you feel deprived of your childhood.

posted May 19, 2012 02:03 PM            

The Sun in opposition to Saturn & square Pluto is a recipe for a controlling & manipulative father who was critical of his child. Saturn in the 7th suggests the parents divorced, separated or had a very relationship.

posted May 19, 2012 02:49 PM            

i am glad i am not being delusional or unnecessarily petty. only now as an adult am i patching up the relationship with my mum. she married young and her marriage was NOT good. so she projected outward and as the eldest, i guess i had to witness it. and maybe because of her discontent she was not able to pull us together as kids, so as adults the togetherness is missing.

armed with your review of my chart i can make some positive changes.

and yes, i have problems expressing myself especially when i am wronged. usually by the time i express myself i am exploding. lol.

have a wonderful weekend depth.
(later i will email you my daughter's chart so that i do not repeat these patterns with her, because i am also raising her alone. the father is m-i-a)

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Originally posted by depth:
Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early in our lives. This asteroid sits in your 4th. The lord of the 4H which represents the home, mother & early childhood, sits in you 12th. Planets in the 12th represent those things that we were deprived of/were suppressed by our parents when we were young.
Neptune is creativity, blind faith, trust....Mars in this chart is your home, early childhood, mother & in general, anger.
Mars conjunct Neptune in the 12th(confusion, abandonment) explains why you feel misplaced.
You also have trouble expressing strong emotions. There's deep seated anger within you which needs an escape. It may come out in periodic exaggerated bursts. Neptune is also the lord of the 3rd which translates into not being able to communicate feelings.

Moon conjunct Pluto(opp IC) indicates a controlling, manipulative & dominating mother. Pluto with Moon further indicates an abusive childhood & family conflicts. (since it also squares the Sun in Capricorn[father] & Saturn in Cancer[mother] forming a T-square)

The Sun in opposition to Saturn & square Pluto is a recipe for a controlling & manipulative father who was critical of his child. Saturn in the 7th suggests the parents divorced, separated or had a very relationship.

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posted May 19, 2012 05:26 PM            

Moon in Libra is all about balance in relationships. The conjunction to Pluto implies regeneration, the phoenix's ability to be reborn from it's own ashes.

Forgive, forget & regenerate.

Have a nice weekend with your family!

posted May 19, 2012 08:04 PM            

for some years we had a very rigid household but have become more laid back over the years. a friend said our household was like rotc training. :-)

posted May 19, 2012 11:24 PM            

Your daughter has 3 planets in the 12th - Venus, Mercury & the SUN.
Sun represents the ego & the father. She could grow up feeling abandoned, confused about his identity, that he was incapable of bonding with her because he had a drug/alcohol problem or that he was simply never there for her emotionally. The 2H of self worth is in Capricorn. Saturn is peregrine & retrograde which implies she doesn't place much value on herself. It's position in the 7th suggests she establishes her importance based on relationships & partners. Chiron in the 1H(conj the 2H cusp) further strengthens her feelings of worthlessness. It's a karmic lesson for her & it won't be easy to outgrow these feelings as a result of Chiron's conjunction with the SNode.

Moon/Neptune conjunction makes for a sensitive soul. Chiron in the 1st speaks of restrictions which forced her to retreat inwards. The 12H planets speak of a struggle to express feelings & thoughts, to break free from feelings of deep seated loneliness. These children have to block others & retreat from time to time or perhaps everyday. They become exhausted & irritable when surrounded by too much of energy & not allowed to zone out.

Mercury, lord of the 7th, & Venus, universal significator of love, are in Scorpio in the 12th. Mars, lord of the 5th, trines Saturn in the 7th & squares Mercury/Venus.
These again indicate how she considers her self worth to be directly proportional to romantic relationships/partners. She could get attracted to men who are somehow unavailable.
Her relationships could be non-conventional where one respects the other's space(something that her Moon adores). However, if the maleficence of Uranus succeeds in outweighing the trine to Saturn, she could find herself stuck in unstable relationships.

Moon is in Aquarius which is an emotionally distant sign. In synastry, your Uranus squares her Moon. Perhaps, you are absent when she desires closeness. Moon's conjunction to Neptune has 2 interpretations :
either the mother was absent
or the child idealizes her mother.
Your Moon forms a beautiful trine to her Moon. YJupiter falls in her 4th & completes a grand trine in her chart. Saturn(stability, reliability) trine Jupiter(happiness, generosity, forgiveness) trine Venus(Love, feelings. I believe she idealizes you.

You have a beautiful child with a lot of love & compassion within her. She has to learn to exercise this compassion not only toward others but also toward herself. Attaching her self worth to relationships is detrimental, especially if it's a hidden/unstable/abusive relationship. Her Saturn in the 7th Opp Pluto has the potential to attract emotionally controlling, abusive, manipulative, distant or critical partners. She has a tendency to escape; music, gardening, pet care, drawing, painting, dance, etc. are good vistas. Martial arts will help her release excess energy(Mars/Uranus). It's important to cultivate her interest in earthy things. The chart is almost void of earth which equals grounding. In a person with so many planets in the 12th, Moon/Neptune conjunction & Pluto(lord of the 12th) in the 1st, escapism can manifest in substance abuse & self harm.
You should try getting Mercury to talk more often. Moon/Neptune sees mother as a victim of abuse & mercury shouldn't repress anything in order not to hurt the Moon.

Her Sun's conjunct the ascendant but is technically in the 12th which makes it incapable of fully expressing it's energy. There will be major changes once it crosses into the 1st.

posted May 19, 2012 11:47 PM            

she was born at night, so i incorrectly entered am instead of pm.

here is her chart. it will be interesting to see how the time shift affects her reading.

birth time affects your ascendant and?

tks again and have a great evening!

(i am burning the midnite oil on an essay for school, part of my 2012 personal growth)

posted May 20, 2012 02:30 AM            

The father in the chart is reprsented by the Sun, Saturn & planets in the 4th.
Saturn in the 12th manifests in a father who was not there, abused alcohol/drugs or didn't bond with the child.

Mercury's the lord of the 4th.
conjunct Venus & trine Jupiter.
Square Mars/Uranus.
Her childhood was filled with love & laughter. However, there were rainy days as well; when mummy & daddy fought, argued, abused & even got violent...when life simply turned unstable & unpredictable.

Moon trine Saturn says the child sees her mother as someone who she can depend on, supports her through decisions, offers constructive criticism & is a source of emotional stability. The Moon also conjuncts Neptune & it's an astrological fact that Neptune can view the world through rose tinted glasses, dreams of prince charming(who might just be an illusion),seeks escape...The sextile from Saturn tones it down a bit.

Potential dangers in the chart :

Jupiter in the 1st trine Venus people love food. These two benefics lead to quick weight gain in some.
Her 2H of self worth/image is in Cancer; Moon conjuncts Neptune.
Venus, which is the natural ruler of the 2H, rules the 12th in this chart & squares Mars.
Her self image can be easily influenced by what others say or think.
The 6H cusp is in Scorpio with Pluto in the 6th. Her Sun & Chiron(emotional wounds) sit in the 6th with mercury very close by in the 5th.
Pluto(health & nutrition) is in opposition to Saturn(control). Moon(universal significator of nourishment) trines Saturn(control).
She could grow up to become a health conscious person. On the other hand, she could also end up as an anorexic or bulimic.
Pluto is a planet of extremes.

Chiron conjunct descendant is an aspect that leads to feelings of shame & inferiority in relationships which can set in vicious patterns. Venus rules the 5th & the 12th & is in Scorpio in it's detriment. Moon(her emotions) are already clouded by Neptune. Now, If the recorded time isn't exact & the desc falls into Capricorn, she could easily attract unavailable men.(Saturn in the 12th)

posted May 20, 2012 02:43 AM            

let me give you feedback

first part - yes father not bonding with child. as the drama unfolded i found out he had older kids he had basically abandoned with their mother. so it is a bad pattern he has in his life. he seems very organized on the career and self preservation end, but otherwise does not attach to his kids.

yes, as we struggle over child support, there has been that tension between the child's parents, only recently have i learnt to not let it infuriate me too much as i have to let karma deal with him

as an only child she seems to care too much about how others attach to her, i am teaching her to be an individual and not use others for identity as that can get crazy

she is a little heavier than the kids in her class, not obese, but there are some very skinny kids in her class, so she does notice her weight and this summer will be focused on activity. trying to build a healthy approach to that so that she is does not develop eating disorders

we are working on the healthy relationships

and i hope she does not attract unavailable men. there was a phase in my life when that is what i attracted and it sucks

this was a WONDERFUL PROJECT and i can now see what changes need to be made, and what needs to be accepted and forgiven.

if we paid more attention to astrology we might avoid some complications in life or we could learn faster from our bad phases and redirect!

well, it is almost 3am. still reading journal articles but will crash soon!

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT! Thanks again and I will definitely keep in touch!

Hope more people get to EXPLORE your great talent!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by depth:
This chart looks better than the previous one!

The father in the chart is reprsented by the Sun, Saturn & planets in the 4th.
Saturn in the 12th manifests in a father who was not there, abused alcohol/drugs or didn't bond with the child.

Mercury's the lord of the 4th.
conjunct Venus & trine Jupiter.
Square Mars/Uranus.
Her childhood was filled with love & laughter. However, there were rainy days as well; when mummy & daddy fought, argued, abused & even got violent...when life simply turned unstable & unpredictable.

Moon trine Saturn says the child sees her mother as someone who she can depend on, supports her through decisions, offers constructive criticism & is a source of emotional stability. The Moon also conjuncts Neptune & it's an astrological fact that Neptune can view the world through rose tinted glasses, dreams of prince charming(who might just be an illusion),seeks escape...The sextile from Saturn tones it down a bit.

Potential dangers in the chart :

Jupiter in the 1st trine Venus people love food. These two benefics lead to quick weight gain in some.
Her 2H of self worth/image is in Cancer; Moon conjuncts Neptune.
Venus, which is the natural ruler of the 2H, rules the 12th in this chart & squares Mars.
Her self image can be easily influenced by what others say or think.
The 6H cusp is in Scorpio with Pluto in the 6th. Her Sun & Chiron(emotional wounds) sit in the 6th with mercury very close by in the 5th.
Pluto(health & nutrition) is in opposition to Saturn(control). Moon(universal significator of nourishment) trines Saturn(control).
She could grow up to become a health conscious person. On the other hand, she could also end up as an anorexic or bulimic.
Pluto is a planet of extremes.

Chiron conjunct descendant is an aspect that leads to feelings of shame & inferiority in relationships which can set in vicious patterns. Venus rules the 5th & the 12th & is in Scorpio in it's detriment. Moon(her emotions) are already clouded by Neptune. Now, If the recorded time isn't exact & the desc falls into Capricorn, she could easily attract unavailable men.(Saturn in the 12th)

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