posted May 20, 2012 09:02 PM            

My second question has more to do with the workings of my chart. I wasn't sure if it needed to be moved over to Personal Readings, so if it does and I didn't - apologies. I was wondering why it's hard for me to take the initiative in social situations even though I think about it. I rarely feel relaxed, or like I don't have to think about everything going on around me or interpret and read between the lines. It's a little bit like living with paranoia, except you're practical. You just feel trapped emotionally.

Third! And lastly, how much of a role does my IC play in my personality? I feel it very strongly and wondered why.

That was much too long winded for my taste, but I needed to get my point across!

ETA: Just saw the chart I posted. Please ignore the transits.

posted May 20, 2012 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I say "ish" because my first question will include more people than just myself! I have Venus in Aries, but I also have Venus in the 11th house, square Neptune in Capricorn in the 7th house. Now, since we all know Aries is a "do first, think later" sign would you say it magnifies the effects of Venus sq. Neptune? Would the individual with Venus in Aries fall FASTER in love coupled with the square? How do they foster and work together?

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I would say yes,because Venus in Aries is such a position that would fall in love at first sight and faster then any other venus sign yes.

I have venus in Aries close by to yours as well except mine is in the 7th.I also have the square between venus in Aries and neptune in capricorn also exact.I tend to fall in love with the person and prefer not to even know them.It is strange i think because neptune confuses my perception of what love is,i tend to confuse myself with love and it plays out that way in my mind.

I think it does give a greater effect to falling in love faster because the square between these two tend to give fast look on love but also a mixture of a definte confusion by it.i often times do not understand why i feel such intense feelings when i don`t know the person.it is all just in my head.

posted May 20, 2012 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:

My second question has more to do with the workings of my chart. I wasn't sure if it needed to be moved over to Personal Readings, so if it does and I didn't - apologies. I was wondering why it's hard for me to take the initiative in social situations even though I think about it. I rarely feel relaxed, or like I don't have to think about everything going on around me or interpret and read between the lines. It's a little bit like living with paranoia, except you're practical. You just feel trapped emotionally.

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I can defintely see your moon taking effect with this one.Mainly because taurus is a practical and easy going sign.but since it rules your emotions you may feel like you want to project something out there into the world but taurus being so reserved of a sign you don`t always get a chance to express how you feel.

Also noticed the moon opposite pluto aspect.to be honest you have practical meets intense and reserved so again you might find it hard to express things.you might feel like what your thinking about is too intense to be put out there.

posted May 20, 2012 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by DepTaurus:
I would say yes,because Venus in Aries is such a position that would fall in love at first sight and faster then any other venus sign yes.

I think it does give a greater effect to falling in love faster because the square between these two tend to give fast look on love but also a mixture of a definte confusion by it.i often times do not understand why i feel such intense feelings when i don`t know the person.it is all just in my head.

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Okay okay... trying to organize my thoughts here 'cause I'm getting so many routes at one time.

One, I experienced what you described a LOT when I was younger but then I went through a karmic friendship with someone and I haven't felt deeply or as intensely about anyone after that and I don't know if I will or can ever again. It wasn't love or anything, but my feelings towards people changed after that. Two, how do we know when Neptune is being a trickster and when it is something spiritual? How does Neptune spirituality and spiritual connections play into a Venus square? Could that be why you/we feel intense feelings for them?

posted May 20, 2012 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by DepTaurus:
I can defintely see your moon taking effect with this one.Mainly because taurus is a practical and easy going sign.but since it rules your emotions you may feel like you want to project something out there into the world but taurus being so reserved of a sign you don`t always get a chance to express how you feel.

Also noticed the moon opposite pluto aspect.to be honest you have practical meets intense and reserved so again you might find it hard to express things.you might feel like what your thinking about is too intense to be put out there.

Mercury square saturn is a huge part in this as well same with the square to neptune.with saturn your communication is restricted so when you want to say something or voice an opinion you shy away because of what might be said back to you.with neptune it just confuses you to the point where what you want to say comes out in a mixed way and or never comes out the way you wanted it too.

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I knew Taurus was a "shy" sign, but I've met Taurus moons and suns and they were never shy! In fact they acted quite Arian, the moons being more calm than rambunctious but there was still a vibe of tranquility present. I never feel that, and I certainly don't exude it. I suppose that opposition is very strong because the thing I hear most often is I'm intimidating. Even after people get to know me.

I also always knew my Mercury squares were there but I've had many people poo-poo them because of the "orb." To me though I don't take orbs into account. I think if you have the aspect then it's probably present somewhere, somehow, some way. For someone with Mercury in Aries I'm very good at holding my tongue though so perhaps those squares are a blessing. Neptune does confuse me a LOT but I prevail.

posted May 20, 2012 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Okay okay... trying to organize my thoughts here 'cause I'm getting so many routes at one time.

One, I experienced what you described a LOT when I was younger but then I went through a karmic friendship with someone and I haven't felt deeply or as intensely about anyone after that and I don't know if I will or can ever again. It wasn't love or anything, but my feelings towards people changed after that. Two, how do we know when Neptune is being a trickster and when it is something spiritual? How does Neptune spirituality and spiritual connections play into a Venus square? Could that be why you/we feel intense feelings for them?

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for you,you have neptune in the 7th already so it always is a trickster on how you view things in a relationship.Neptune in the seventh house can make you want to have a spiritual connection and it can be karmic in relationships so maybe that is why you feel the spiritual connection in a relationship.

i think in a spirtual way neptune in a square with venus tends to give off sort of an all or nothing sort of thing.where in a relationship you either go to an extreme spiritual connection and that is what you feel and want out of a relationship or you go the opposite direction and it would not even apply.that is how i see it,but you might have different opinions.

posted May 20, 2012 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I knew Taurus was a "shy" sign, but I've met Taurus moons and suns and they were never shy! In fact they acted quite Arian, the moons being more calm than rambunctious but there was still a vibe of tranquility present. I never feel that, and I certainly don't exude it. I suppose that opposition is very strong because the thing I hear most often is I'm intimidating. Even after people get to know me.

I also always knew my Mercury squares were there but I've had many people poo-poo them because of the "orb." To me though I don't take orbs into account. I think if you have the aspect then it's probably present somewhere, somehow, some way. For someone with Mercury in Aries I'm very good at holding my tongue though so perhaps those squares are a blessing. Neptune does confuse me a LOT but I prevail.

What do you do when you have these squares though? Push past the fear? And does the feeling of restriction EVER fade?

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haha funny you should mention that you think taurus suns and moons are never shy.I am a taurus sun 26.31 and i am extremely shy also my decan is ruled by saturn so i am restricted in showing any type of out there personality.

i think with any taurus/scorpio opposition it comes across as intimidating,i would also go forward to saying any opposition between the other fixed signs also play out as intimidating to most people as well.

i agree about the orb refrence if the aspect is there regardless of the size it applies.i have mercury opposite pluto and it applies at 8 orb.then again you have to know what you think effects you and not what others think effect you.

posted May 20, 2012 09:59 PM            

you do have mars transiting in your fourth right now.have you noticed any aggression in the family or home life you have right now?

posted May 20, 2012 10:02 PM            

first question:

yes, Aries falls in love faster than most usually, Aries is aware of what it wants quicker than other signs, since venus is also a representation of what we want by style or way, aries makes this passionate and an immediate want.

squaring Neptune also means that you Idealise your lover fast, and perhaps don't always base your love on clear vision, i.e. you may project what you feel or perceive your partner as, but your perception might be a classic blur from the real image.

Your Moon-Pluto aspect, coupled with mercurial asc and mars would explain your habit for looking between the lines. (particularly pluto for psychology, depth, looking at what lurks beneath the surface, the innards)

Gemini ASC/Mars for the fact that mercury is related to communication, so maybe you turn your pluto energies attention and focus, (efforts) into what people SAY or How they SAY it.

as for your social anxiety, this is classic feelings for Venus & Saturn in hard aspect (square in your chart)

it usually means you will feel inhibited, limited, confined. it will make it difficult for you to securely reach out to others and trust they will be receptive to your attempts, a fear of rejection - be it they not liking you, or accepting you or your ways/values.

this might make you in return, a bit stern and rejecting of others, or you push people away sometimes. you may be prone to testing lovers over and over in order to beleive they can love you truly. (testing them with rejection) - this would assure you they mean it when they claim they want you or love you?? ?

security and trust might be problem for you.

expressing love, showing appreciation, may not be eeasy for you.

posted May 20, 2012 11:30 PM            

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first question:

yes, Aries falls in love faster than most usually, Aries is aware of what it wants quicker than other signs, since venus is also a representation of what we want by style or way, aries makes this passionate and an immediate want.

squaring Neptune also means that you Idealise your lover fast, and perhaps don't always base your love on clear vision, i.e. you may project what you feel or perceive your partner as, but your perception might be a classic blur from the real image.

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I agree what you said about Neptune, but coupled with my Venus being in Aries does that mean I'm basically helpless against the square? Or would Aries actually help the square because Aries is a pretty straightforward sign?

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Your Moon-Pluto aspect, coupled with mercurial asc and mars would explain your habit for looking between the lines. (particularly pluto for psychology, depth, looking at what lurks beneath the surface, the innards)

Gemini ASC/Mars for the fact that mercury is related to communication, so maybe you turn your pluto energies attention and focus, (efforts) into what people SAY or How they SAY it.

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But how do I stop this? People talk about "activating" their aspects all the time, but what about deactivating one?

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as for your social anxiety, this is classic feelings for Venus & Saturn in hard aspect (square in your chart)

it usually means you will feel inhibited, limited, confined. it will make it difficult for you to securely reach out to others and trust they will be receptive to your attempts, a fear of rejection - be it they not liking you, or accepting you or your ways/values.

this might make you in return, a bit stern and rejecting of others, or you push people away sometimes. you may be prone to testing lovers over and over in order to beleive they can love you truly. (testing them with rejection) - this would assure you they mean it when they claim they want you or love you?? ?

security and trust might be problem for you.

expressing love, showing appreciation, may not be eeasy for you.

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Is that social anxiety though? Because I can put on a good front, I'm very witty and direct. I do have problems asserting myself in situations that call for it though, when under pressure (Hmm... maybe Saturn square has to do with that.) but these are all ways I feel. I don't think anyone else would know I feel this way or understand why I do. My Venus square Saturn orb must be pretty close then if I'm feeling it this strongly, right? Trust is a problem for me. And yes I would prefer someone who was persistent in trying to win me over rather than someone who leaves after one "No." I think I will learn the value of that though, just not sure when.

posted May 21, 2012 01:59 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[B]I say "ish" because my first question will include more people than just myself! I have Venus in Aries, but I also have Venus in the 11th house, square Neptune in Capricorn in the 7th house. Now, since we all know Aries is a "do first, think later" sign would you say it magnifies the effects of Venus sq. Neptune? Would the individual with Venus in Aries fall FASTER in love coupled with the square? How do they foster and work together?

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Venus' square to Saturn is stronger & Saturn, himself, is very strong ,sitting in his domicile & an angle. Neptune is in an earth sign conjunct Saturn, the domicile ruler which tones it down a bit.

People with Venus in Aries fall quickly. But they don't fall for everyone & anyone. Neptune, on the other hand, views the world through rose tinted glasses. It doesn't have discriminatory powers. Because of it's position in your 7th, it could potentially attract unavailable men, cheats, con men, etc. It would see what they'd show(need not be reality) & be content that prince charming wasn't hit by a bus. Saturn has the potential to redeem Venus or make things worse. At some point in life, you felt unloved. Now, if someone promises neptunian love, Venus/Neptune could easily fall for this person. Saturn can play redeemer because it's cautious & practical in love & can see through pretenses.

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My second question has more to do with the workings of my chart. I wasn't sure if it needed to be moved over to Personal Readings, so if it does and I didn't - apologies. I was wondering why it's hard for me to take the initiative in social situations even though I think about it. I rarely feel relaxed, or like I don't have to think about everything going on around me or interpret and read between the lines. It's a little bit like living with paranoia, except you're practical. You just feel trapped emotionally.

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--> Your Sun, Mercury & Venus are in Aries.
--> Moon is in Taurus. Venus, the ruler, is in Aries.
All your personal planets come under Mars. Now, what & where is Mars? Mars is the initiative you are talking about. It sits in your 12H where it's repressed & hidden which is why despite your willingness & desire to take initiatives, you are just not able to. Planets in the 12th find it difficult to express themselves & the reason is linked to your early childhood. The 12H planets show what we were made to repress when we were young.

Mercury square Saturn makes it difficult for you to communicate your thoughts, opinions & 'initiative'.

The obsession comes from the opposition. Practicality comes from the trine to Saturn & the Moon's placement in an earth sign. The opposition aspect brings internal conflict as well as external conflict. You'll meet women who try controlling you, are manipulative, jealous, possessive...of you.

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Third! And lastly, how much of a role does my IC play in my personality? I feel it very strongly and wondered why.

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Your Snode conjuncts your IC. There where these mathematical points fall is where we find comfort & a sense of belonging. They represent the past & are associated with our roots & karma.
Mercury rules the IC & the ASC. No wonder you feel it so strongly. This planet aspects 3 other personal planets. It conjuncts the Sun, i.e. your identity. Other than being the chart ruler, it's also a dominant planet.
Pluto in domicile
Saturn in domicile.
Mercury in Aries in mutual reception with Mars in Gemini.

posted May 21, 2012 02:16 AM            

So with that square to Neptune, I do - or at least have the ability to?

And yes, Saturn is much stronger. I thought my Saturn conjunct Neptune aspect is the filter vs. the squares to Venus. I thought Venus square Neptune and Saturn is basically living with depression. And it wasn't a point in my life where I felt unloved, I've always felt unloved. It isn't logical that I feel this way though. My parents HAVE to love me or they wouldn't put up with my s*it. I never wanted as a child, but I was always uncomfortable with emotional displays and therefore never participated in such from my parents.

Now, so my Mars in 12th just reinforces my Taurus moon? I have an Aries stellium, sure but I keep thinking Taurus is partly to blame for this for whatever reason. How does my moon come under Mars? It makes no aspect to it. Not opposing you, simply learning here. My mom tried repressing me but one day she was screaming at me and I thought "Why am I supposed to just take this?" and ever since then I've always argued, fought, everything. Except it's just with her that I act like that... which leads us to

The Moon in Opposition With Pluto: Act I.

It's SO ironic you mention bitchy women. Lately I've had nothing but those experiences and it's annoying, but also a wake up call. Would you believe my Scorpio best friend does not get along with women, but she attracts guy likes bees to honey. On the other hand I can befriend women very easily and it's men I have trouble keeping (and trusting I might add). But the more confidence I get in myself the more I realize the subtle ways women are catty towards me that I took for granted (Aries...or Venus square Neptune perhaps?) and yes, I notice the little ways my friends try to control me, manipulate me, and are possessive of me. I'm horrible at manipulation though. I never do it. The most recent theme in my friends is 'sabotage.' I mean would you a believe a thin brunette is actually threatened by a voluptuous blonde)? I would've never accused as much in a million years...

posted May 21, 2012 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[B]"Venus in Aries doesn't fall for everyone and anyone."

So with that square to Neptune, I do - or at least have the ability to?

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You've the ability to. But we also have to keep Saturn in mind. It's a nitpicking planet.
I didn't want to sound fatalistic so I used "at some point in life".

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Now, so my Mars in 12th just reinforces my Taurus moon? I have an Aries stellium, sure but I keep thinking Taurus is partly to blame for this for whatever reason. How does my moon come under Mars? It makes no aspect to it. Not opposing you, simply learning here.

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Your Moon in Taurus is in a WAY better condition compared to the rest of your planets. It's exalted & in a productive house.

We check the dispositors.

In your chart :
Moon's in Taurus.
Taurus is ruled by Venus.
Venus in in Aries.
Aries is where Mars' in domicile.

Mars is in Gemini & Mercury in Aries. That's mutual reception there.

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How do I work around these? What happens to the aspects when I conquer them for good?

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Astrologically speaking, progressions, SArcs & outer planet transits will help you get through the harsh aspects.
But from a non-astrological perspective, you'll have to make a conscious effort to overcome the negativity of the aspects.

You've chiron in the 1st & Venus/Saturn square. So start with self-healing. Don't put up with those who don't deserve you, surround yourself with positive people, do things that make you feel pampered, seek a therapist to identify Mars/Jupiter/12H issues. They're hidden deep down in your sub-conscious mind. Have an open discussion with your mom about whatever issues you have with her. She won't be the most cooperative thing at first but you don't lose your patience.
Her support will help you easily overcome those aspects. Saturn will take care of Neptune once it fixes itself. I've Neptune conj asc & Saturn in my 1st makes sure it doesn't mess around. What you can do on your part; escape? day dream, not drugs. feeling lonely? music + chocolates, not self harm. the guy you're with is right? use moon/pluto & dig deep.