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Julz87
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posted May 31, 2012 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im on the inside he's on the outside.
I want to know how I influence him, should I put him on the inside for that instead?

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Rosalind
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posted May 31, 2012 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This chart shows how HE INFLUENCES YOU, not reverse.

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Julz87
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posted May 31, 2012 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok so I put him on the inside, would that read as how I influence him?

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Rosalind
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posted May 31, 2012 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In any way but romantically. He sees you as a friend, as a member of his family and as a person with whom he can work. That Uranus and Saturn over his 1st house makes him feel reserved and limited by you. Chiron with no other planetary energy over his 7th house is also bad for romance. He doesnt want to have a relationship with you nor a fling. Sorry.

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Julz87
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posted May 31, 2012 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That really sucks :-/
Yea we are friends atm but yea I see what you mean in any case it feels like a brother/sister bond..and we do work exceptionally well I must say. Thank you! ^_^

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Opale
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posted May 31, 2012 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Opale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Julz87,

You have a very interesting synastry, with strong aspects... Your nodes are conjunct, his vertex axis is right on your MC/IC and your Moon is also on his anti-vertex so you guys are very comfortable with each other.

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Also, your Saturn in his first house, I don't think it's a bad thing at all. It actually depends on how your Saturn is aspected in your own chart. My Saturn is on my fiancé's ascendant and I promise you he doesn't see me a bad person or a sad influence in his life :-) Usually it means the Saturn person (you) is going to have doubts or will be a bit reluctant at the thought of having a relation with the ascendant/1st house person. This is how it happened in my relationship and funnily enough, I just watched a video of Michelle Obama talking about her first impression when she met her husband... her Saturn is on his ascendant too. Look at the video, she explains it so much better than me and with a better English, LOL http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/02/michelle-obama-first-impr_n_154754.html

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Julz87
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posted May 31, 2012 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much Opale,
This gives me some hope

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Rosalind
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posted June 01, 2012 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opale, no offence, but what the hell is that BS interpretation of yours? I know that my interpretation regarding your chart didnt please you but you cannot come and write such rubbish. For example, what the hell is the second descendant? SINCE WHEN the 10th house becomes this second descendant of yours? 10th house is the house of career and fame. Period. Then, before start doing chart interpretations make sure you know what you are talking about. You cannot come and give hope to people when there isnt. Dont start seeing good where there is no good. EMPTY HOUSES in NATAL, SYNASTRY OR COMPOSITE are karma burned houses. If a person has empty houses in natal for example, that does mean he already completed the job in that area and that isnt a priority anymore. Does not mean he wont live that area matters but for that he need to have that house ENERGIED by a PLANET ENERGY. In synastry if person A does not have X house actived by person B, he wont feel ANYTHING and he will not TAKE ACTION there. Aspects are NEVER important because are general characteristics. For a person or a couple needs to have planetary ENERGY to feel or take action. Otherwise, the house remain empty, asleep. I serously laughedf when I read about your secondary descendant. There is no such thing. The axis 1-7 is represented by you and your partner. Axis 4-10 is represented by your INSIDE family or home family and your OUTSIDE family, or the public family. The chart is divided in two parts: bottom line and top line. The bottom line represents your personal life. Top line represents your public life. If a couple does not have planetary energy in personal houses but in public houses, they will never be together romantically. Regarding SATURN. Just because in your relationship with your bf you don't feel Saturn effects that doesnt mean it will be the same for EVERYONE. It is wrong to believe that in astrology works in the same way fir everyone when the first rule of astrology is that: EVERYONE is UNIQUE. Charts are individual and every degree, every house and every orb make the difference. Angles, karmic points and houses cannot work without PLANETS. The same thing goes for planets. Planets cannot work alone. They need to have also a physical enviroment. Aka HOUSES. Its like drinking water: can you drink water from the air? No, you need something physical. An object, something that belongs to earth. Do you know why in heliocentric charts Earth is in the middle? I guess you don't, since you left that intepretation.
Remember this: I am not God, I don't have his powers, but if I wouldnt see the things as they are, I wouldnt bother to write on this forum and I wouldnt waste my time being astrologer if I wouldnt have a certain insight and knowledge. I am not here to give hope to people. I here to help them to make the best decisions and to help them to see the truth in order to not have their life ruined. I cannot control their destiny, but I can help as being their guide.

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Opale
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posted June 01, 2012 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Opale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rosalind,

First of all, just let me tell you that I am not offended by your reply (and i'll tell you why at the end of my post) to my post but I think it's so rude of you to start yours with "no offence" and then insult me right after ("BS interpretation" of mine, really? Was that necessary? Do you have to belittle others' opinions to make yourself feel better about yours? It's not because you voice your opinion with a an attitude that it makes it right, you know). And do you have to be so agressive all the time? It's not the first time you do this on this forum! This a public place, people are going to have different opinions than yours, you need to accept them too, and with RESPECT, otherwise you're wasting your time here.

I started studying astrology with a professional astrologer when I was 13 and I started doing readings for other people over 10 years ago (I don't do predictive astrology though). It actually worked so well that 4 years later I landed a part time job on an astro site and small magazine where I met wonderful people including my best friend who is a full time professional astrologer. The only reason I posted the synastry with my fiancé on this forum is because I am very private and protective of my relationship with the father of my baby, and I was a bit embarrased to ask my best friend to look into it as she knows him too. Obviously I had looked at the synastry myself but as it is mine, I thought maybe I needed a non-subjective point of view to remind me of what I already knew. Honestly, it was a mistake to post the chart here, I should have just asked my best friend, and this is what I ended up doing anyway after your reading that didn't resonate with me at all. I politely told you then your interpration was not reflecting what was going on in real life, and I suppose you didn't like the feedback now that I see how aggressive you are with me. What was I to say? Thank you Rosalind, yes he is scared of me and I am scared of him too, I hide many things from him because i want to ruin his karma and he is very mean to me at home, and he doesn't want to get married with me? When the reality is we've been together for years, we live together in harmony and we have a lovely baby! And we're also gonna get married, I now have a ring on my finger. I'm sorry that my relationship is not the nightmare you described but hey, I like it so much better that way!... The other interpretations I got from 2 different pro astrologers were detailed and this time they described my relationship to a T. The fact that I was scared at the thought of getting married has its roots in my natal chart (that you didn't look at, by the way), combined with a nasty transit at the moment, but it had nothing to do with my synastry. And this is something you didn't tell me.

I guess you and I come from a different planet, we don't look at charts the same way & we don't make the same use of astrology either. I told you after asking you for a reading that I took the time to read your whole thread and if it had taken you more than 3 minutes to look at my synastry and post your answer before I was done reading your interpretations for other people, I would have cancelled my request for a reading. I didn't say anything about it then because I didn't want to be rude, but what I immediately noticed is how you basically jump straight into the synastry reading without looking at the natal charts first. How people are going to live their relationship also depends on who they are, and who they are is depicted in their natal charts. Right from the start you completely get rid of something that should be a major element of your interpretation. That's my point of view and that's the point of view of professional astrologers too. Here's Dawn Bodrogi's opinion about this : "These days, the internet has a very loud voice, and bad information is often taken as blind truth. Sometimes, in our quest for instant answers, we ignore the subtlety of interpretation that was once demanded of anyone who practiced astrology and seriously studied synastry. We like things in black and white, but the truth tends to lie in the shades of gray'", unfortunately she was right when she says people take whatever information they find on the internet as blind truth.

On a more personal approach to astrology, we're also extremely different. I would NEVER tell someone their relationship is doomed like you did for so many people, as I believe it isn't the astrologer's role to decide whether a relationship should happen or not. See, I don't think of myself as God either. I believe the astrologer can tell someone about who they are and what they need, what are their weaknesses and their strongest energy. And then I do the same thing for their partner, individually. And only then do I see if they're a match... Then you can study the synastry too see how they're going to interact when together. But still, the basis is the natal chart. And this is something you don't take into account when doing a synastry reading, so yeah... I guess we're gonna have to "agree to disagree" because we do not have the same approach. AT ALL.

As for my reply to Julz87, I obviously didn't give her a full reading, it would take me a long time to do that, it was a very basic approach to who they both are individually and if there's a chance of close interaction between them. Her question was "how do i influence him?" not "are we going to get married, spend our life together and have 6 babies", it was a simple question, I gave her a very short and simple answer.

Now back to what you wrote about the different houses of a chart, obviously I do know what they mean but again, I look at the natal chart to see what house and what planet are going to have more significance for that person. Let's take an exemple, imagine someone's chart indicates they are a workaholic, their career is the big focus of their life, then guess what, it would be a very good thing for that person if their partner's venus was falling into their 10th house (or even their 6th house), even better if it was conjunct the MC. I dare say it would be better to have it in the 10th house than in the 7th if there's no indication of special needs in their natal 7th. You can fulfill the 7th house needs of your partner in more way than just having your planets fall in there. By the way, I used the term "secondary descendant" but I'm not so sure this is the word I was looking for, English is not my language, but the idea remains the same. But again, this is my approach and we don't have the same and I'm not looking for any kind of validation. I have many years of experience that showed me it does work and many letters of my consultants thanking me & giving me a positive feedback on my readings, that's more than enough for me. By the way, a member of this community (I don't remember who) wrote two extremely interesting posts about this method a while ago, if I find them again I'll send you the link because it would explain the concept more clearly than I ever could with my limited vocabulary. But again, this is someone who has practiced astrology for a long time & who has experience and feedback based on relationships that took place in real life and not just on a forum, so I take their experience as significant. Robert Hand himself has the same approach, are you going to laugh at him too?

About what I wrote about Saturn on the ascendant, I don't know why you're in my face about this, really. "EVERYONE is UNIQUE" you say, yes it's true, when did i ever say something else? I know people have different personnalities, that's why I take into account their natal chart (and again, you don't) before I study their synastry. Why don't go back to my original post to Julz87? Read it again, i wrote "It actually depends on how your Saturn is aspected in your own chart." How is that not clear enough for you?

On another note, this paragraph that you wrote :
"Remember this: I am not God, I don't have his powers, but if I wouldnt see the things as they are, I wouldnt bother to write on this forum and I wouldnt waste my time being astrologer if I wouldnt have a certain insight and knowledge. I am not here to give hope to people. I here to help them to make the best decisions and to help them to see the truth in order to not have their life ruined. I cannot control their destiny, but I can help as being their guide."
I have to tell you really if I didn't believe it's for the best that people keep their information private on the internet, I would love to know where you actually work as an astrologer to know what kind of experience you have. Don't answer, though, some of your older posts gave me the answer I was looking for. You are not a professional astrologer, you do this as a hobby and not too long ago you actually still badly needed other people's readings of your own chart because you couldn't read it properly yourself. Now don't take me wrong, this is not a bad thing, we all started there, but it usually takes much time to be ready to study other people's charts. And if you need a clue of how intuitive you are in terms of astrology, maybe it's time for me to remind you that when I posted my synastry chart I actually gave you the natal chart of my boyfriend who happens to have the same chart as yours. Planets in the same signs, same degrees, and everything. Only difference was the ascendant... and you didn't even notice it!!! We're not talking about similarities here, we're talking about the copy of your own chart! So yeah, I'm taking everything that you say with a big grain of salt if you can't even spot details like this. I have a hard time considering you a good astrologer, probably because unlike most of the people who asked you for a synastry reading (note that I didn't talk about your readings for simple questions regarding work indicators in the natal chart, I thought they were pretty decent, I give you that) I do know astrology and I can tell when your interpretations are off the mark. Your know-it-all attitude may push people to think you know what you're talking about but those of us who have a strong experience with astrology won't be fooled.
I'm going to stop here, my long post should tell you where I come from, please note that I have nothing against you as a person (I don't know you, after all) and i don't mean to offend you personally, but if as an "astrologer" you give me a bad reading, and on top of that you get in my face and not in the most polite way whenever I post on this forum then we're going to have a problem.

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Rosalind
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posted June 01, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Opale, if you have studied for 10 years you obviously didnt need my OBJECTIVE opinion at all. You already knew the truth. Now, if you wanted to test me, that is your problem. Yes, I wanted badly to have a reading of my chart because: 1. I cannot read it myself. 2. I wanted a second opinion. What do you understand from professional astrologer? The fact I dont make astrology for money. Yes. I dont. But that doesnt mean I don't have a GIFT. You with your 10 years of astrology should know EVERYTHING. I do not know everything but I do see the truth in things.As a matter of fact, tonight I did 7 reading all 100% accurate by confirmation. If I didnt guess your chart as you wanted that doesnt mean I'm wrong. You know? Its also about choice. Just because you chose differently that what is written in your chart that doesnt mean I was wrong. UNFORTUNATELY for me, and believe me when I say this, time has shown me that I'm never wrong. For years, I tried not to see the things as they really were and I tried to live superficially, in unknowing. Guess what? I couldnt. The truth was next to me, punching me in the face. If I was rude, I apologize but I stay with my opinion.

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Julz87
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posted June 03, 2012 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you to both you guys for the readings.

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