posted June 24, 2012 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
-sigh- Okay. Time to be real with Miss Prissy Pants.

Dear, Miss Prissy Pants.

I hope you realise that my telling you to off yourself was intended to get you off of your ridiculous pedestal, because you have NO CLUE about real life.

First off, my husband is nearly forty, and honey, he is sex on a stick. You've no idea HOW many men out there that you're calling 'old' are experienced, in the prime of their lives, and past the bullsh*t that your clueless romeos are still stuck on or spouting.

The reason your 'youthful love' ended badly was because THEY ALL DO. THAT'S WHY IT'S -YOUTHFUL-. YOUNG. INEXPERIENCED. Cripes. The prefrontal cortex doesn't even fully form until age 28. That's why most 'men' can't find their a*ses with both hands until they're way past 35. Which, to you, is -ancient-.

Oldest man with whom I've been intimate is 45. Actor out here in Hollywood. Really don't need to tell you who; curiously, lacking in experience, but somehow, like you, I suppose, was just 'born with super awesome sex skills'. Or whatever tripe you're touting. Incidentally, I guess you think that some of us aren't? That you're the only one and this makes you super special? Hate to disprove that myth, too. Ah, well. Welcome to Saturn. It does that.

So, in closing, your Saturn Return is exactly as the others have said here. It's where you're being called on your BS and asked to grow up. Maybe you're just scared of yours because you've been acting like a first-draft Shakespearean villainness? Or maybe the evil queen from insert-fairy-tale here? Yeah, Saturn will ask you to put up or shut up before long. I guess if you can't you really are in trouble.

The rest of us just deal. Maybe you should come off of Cloud Nine and start dealing like the rest of us?

That's my real advice, pretty-pretty princess. Welcome to reality.

You say you didn't deserve for your body to rot, but, hey, it matches your soul now. You're coordinated, and in-style. Go, you.

Actually, we've got a character like you in our series. No, really. I'm not kidding. It's kind of funny. I sent this link to the other writers, and their responses were: 'Holy sh*t. I didn't think someone alive could be that narcissistic and clueless. Wow. We're awesome.' (Awesome, in that we actually created such a hideous person - even if she's a gorgeous supermodel - that even the billionaire CEO who's escorting her for the evening can't stand her for more than five seconds.)

You're fascinating, in that regard. But, aside from that, you're pitiful. I can't believe you exist. Is this a joke?

-A.

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I hope you were on something. Or drunk. I can't believe a human could ever write something as cynical as this.

What do you want? More research material? I have a picture of thurston moore c.'87 over my bed in which hes 29 but looks 19. I use it no to go on dates with anyone from the undesirable league.

I was once approached by a 35year old at a party. Apparently a successful sound artist and blablabla. Who was nothing but an old fat cocaine-sniffing shy pig with zero sense of security. Obvs he was told to go screw himself. So then exactly one year later at another party he just kept walking past me and emitting sighs/looking up to the ceiling as if he were i don't know louis garrel but somehow no one was aware of it.

Or should I tell you how my ex course leader from my MA who was twice my bloody age knowing I was romantically involved with someone was trying to seduce me using the most implicit technique? How my head was messed with, which resulted with me messing with my then 22year old lover's head and causing him pain? Incidentally, my lover despite getting laid all over the place had zero skills in da bedroom (it wasnt crucial though), so not everyone was born with them. It is a fact that some people have more sensual talents than others, nothing illegitimate here.

My general experience has been that they become just too full of themselves, having "arrived" and started to make enough money and whatnot, they think it makes them entitled to things. I don't like this type of self-confidence.

As for you IndigoDirae, you probably had nothing to lose as you had to grow up as you say. And I wasn't the one who came to you with a stream of dubious eloquence, it was you that came to me.

And incidentally I'm real, have no idea what's so unreal about me

All I said was I want young love, not love between two old people with faded skin that's not nice to touch. Why do people get beautiful skin anyway if it cannot be put to some proper use or other.

I could tell you what's hideous. So you don't think it's hideous to forward links to people to have a laugh? I reckon it's super-hideous. I'd never do this.

And really I never said it anywhere I was special. I just guess i'm special enough not to get laid with rubbish.

And seriously I'd rather die than EVER be like you and think like you do. And you sound so proud you're a writer or something, hollywood shmollywood, and yet I'm pretty sure I'm every bit as good at writing as all you fancy sorts despite having not by any means a brilliant career.

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Originally posted by Ariehnox:
One cannot fill a cup that's already full.

That SR however, will forcefully tip over that cup. Now it only depends on how you would perceive Saturn's lessons; you can only know if it's good or not if you're there to experience it. Regardless of the path you choose, I trust it would be for the better in the long run... for your sake, or for humanity's.

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Saturn has been elaborate that I am a loser at love. That my lover virtually died because | couldn't stop him. That only rubbish sorts come on to me wishing for some magic to enter their lives. I don't believe embracing this truth can be possible for anyone and there's no lessons in this.

posted June 24, 2012 07:07 AM            

Lots of the healers/psychics i have met are Capricorns and have really helped me on my healing path. Maybe you try to give humanity a chance and rather than focus on your love life, focus on helping others on their path. You may find, in time, your life may then "fall" into a better place?

posted June 24, 2012 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
My mother was a capricorn, she passed over 6yrs ago. She was a good mother but seemed negative and anxious a lot of the time. My grandmother said she came in looking "miserable" . She was also one of the greatest physics i knew and intuited so well . She was also a very strong, resilient, independent woman.

Lots of the healers/psychics i have met are Capricorns and have really helped me on my healing path. Maybe you try to give humanity a chance and rather than focus on your love life, focus on helping others on their path. You may find, in time, your life may then "fall" into a better place?

Just my mother talking through me...hope it helps

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redshoes, I do appreciate your compassion

but I consider Cap the worst sign ever, esp the bit i read somewhere about having to earn things in life.

i hope it is fairly obvious that having seen the only person who could satisfy my emotional needs rot away for nothing and not finding anyone who would remotely seem good enough to make me lift my barriers - that this is very hard and every day i am reminded that nothing will ensue and nothing will happen.

take my depressing flatmate for example. in fact take both of them. they get laid with guys who just want to get laid (and they are aware of being used for that purpose and then left till further notice) then they sit around saying how nice it is at least to get some physical attention. so i said "don't you have any respect for yourselves? why do you both treat yourselves like trash" and they just said i was wrong. who needs my help?

and i have no talents at all, no psychic talents at least. really, what about me? i could spend a billion years helping others and still not get anything for myself. and so many people don't have to do anything for anybody and yet get whatever they need. i don't think i'm that special that i should help others to "earn" (what a disgusting word!) happiness.

posted June 24, 2012 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
redshoes, I do appreciate your compassion

but I consider Cap the worst sign ever, esp the bit i read somewhere about having to earn things in life.

i hope it is fairly obvious that having seen the only person who could satisfy my emotional needs rot away for nothing and not finding anyone who would remotely seem good enough to make me lift my barriers - that this is very hard and every day i am reminded that nothing will ensue and nothing will happen.

take my depressing flatmate for example. in fact take both of them. they get laid with guys who just want to get laid (and they are aware of being used for that purpose and then left till further notice) then they sit around saying how nice it is at least to get some physical attention. so i said "don't you have any respect for yourselves? why do you both treat yourselves like trash" and they just said i was wrong. who needs my help?

and i have no talents at all, no psychic talents at least. really, what about me? i could spend a billion years helping others and still not get anything for myself.

and you're saying "in time". i have no time. i have spent 2 years in hell. this is quite enough. it is hell my love is unclaimed. and it is hell to walk into a pub and end up stared at by everybody, and everybody looks at me as if they'd bang me there and then. this is hell hell hell, bosch meets breughel.

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You have plenty of time dear. At your age i was a mess, full of angst and quite repressed and now i am very very happy and quite old (pssst between you and i, without sounding too conceited, i feel "hotter" than i ever did) . I never got the love thing right, until i said "eff it" and then i did...if you get my drift. Love, passion and self esteem came to me later on. With no doubt in my mind, i can say with hand on my sincere heart "i would NEVER EVER go back to those youthful years"

posted June 24, 2012 07:29 AM            

Edit to say: I can remember years ago, when i was feeling everso sorry for myself, my sister (god rest her) and i were talking and i was moaning and groaning saying "i will end up alone and miserable"...her lovely Leo optimism hit me as she laughed out loud and said "Are you kidding" ~ thereafter, sloooowly i started to believe her

posted June 24, 2012 07:39 AM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
Btw, i couldnt help but notice you possess the lovely dry sense of humour only owned by Saturnians...love that!

Edit to say: I can remember years ago, when i was feeling everso sorry for myself, my sister (god rest her) and i were talking and i was moaning and groaning saying "i will end up alone and miserable"...her lovely Leo optimism hit me as she laughed out loud and said "Are you kidding" ~ thereafter, sloooowly i started to believe her

*thanks sister*

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nooooooo where? i will get rid of it if its Saturnian!!!

posted June 24, 2012 07:45 AM            

I grew up with "shoulds" ~ eff that!

posted June 24, 2012 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Saturn has been elaborate that I am a loser at love. That my lover virtually died because | couldn't stop him. That only rubbish sorts come on to me wishing for some magic to enter their lives. I don't believe embracing this truth can be possible for anyone and there's no lessons in this.

As for humanity, it can seriously screw itself. I couldn't care less about humanity.

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"Saturn has been elaborate that I am a loser at love."

Well, that's basically shows it. You have deep-seated hurt that's causing you to be fatalistic about things. I won't talk about your preference about the young over the mature ones, because I don't think it really matters. It's your prerogative. I'm more concerned with the idea that it's because you don't think anyone could love you for who you are and who you will be; that no one could provide you of the love that you seek...

Truth only becomes truth because that's how you chose to see it. You attract such men that prey over you because inside you, you don't think anyone is truly capable of deserving you. It's the insecurities that constantly gnaws at you.

It's good that you're aware that you are special and deserving of that kind of love which you seek, but you aren't giving life the chance to present you with people that could provide you of it. Maybe try and be more open to possibilities? You were deeply hurt in the past, and it would be a giant leap for you to go over this barrier... and honestly? I think Saturn would help you with that. Lessons, consequences, inevitable experiences... whatever you decide to call it.

posted June 24, 2012 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ariehnox:

"Saturn has been elaborate that I am a loser at love."

Well, that's basically shows it. You have deep-seated hurt that's causing you to be fatalistic about things. I won't talk about your preference about the young over the mature ones, because I don't think it really matters. It's your prerogative. I'm more concerned with the idea that it's because you don't think anyone could love you for who you are and who you will be; that no one could provide you of the love that you seek...

Truth only becomes truth because that's how you chose to see it. You attract such men that prey over you because inside you, you don't think anyone is truly capable of deserving you. It's the insecurities that constantly gnaws at you.

It's good that you're aware that you are special and deserving of that kind of love which you seek, but you aren't giving life the chance to present you with people that could provide you of it. Maybe try and be more open to possibilities? You were deeply hurt in the past, and it would be a giant leap for you to go over this barrier... and honestly? I think Saturn would help you with that. Lessons, consequences, inevitable experiences... whatever you decide to call it.

We will never have the right answers, as it can only come from you. You can always talk about your troubles here... it may not directly help, but it does ease tensions. Maybe at one point then, things would be clearer for you.

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I just can't help thinking that if it hadn't been for Saturn I wouldn't be unhappy. It wouldn't have taken my lover away from me, he would be fine now and I would be fine.

I know this les couple, one is a curator aged 68 and her gf is 76 (?) and a writer, and this looks like a joke a-la samuel beckett. and they met not so long ago, so it's not like they have spent their lives side by side. i don't want to end up like that. and yet there's no guarantee that i won't.

My problem is elsewhere. I just find myself only approached by rubbish, that's all. Rubbish wants to love me, non-rubbish doesn't. Or else they are tepid and blond (another thing I can't stand) or something is always wrong. My lover was perfect, thin and pale with dark hair and holding him felt like being held by god or something. I can't explain it. We went all euphoric when we first met, I could feel the world transforming forever. And at some point we were walking and I was standing in the middle of the road, and a car nearly ran me over, but he pulled me towards him, so we were just standing there like that, i could see he was as freaked out as i was, because it really felt like the universe streaming through us. And all of this was taken away from me. And astrologically speaking his eros was almost exactly conjunct my psyche. Not only the same sign, virtually the same degree too.

So well. It cannot possibly be like this ever again. I once did a full moon spell to attract new love. And exactly 3 days after I arranged to meet someone to sell my iPod and he ended up asking me out. A timid little ginger prick shorter than me. Moreover that, he kept nagging. I felt the universe was mocking me. Of course I didn't go.

posted June 24, 2012 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
I just can't help thinking that if it hadn't been for Saturn I wouldn't be unhappy. It wouldn't have taken my lover away from me, he would be fine now and I would be fine.

I know this les couple, one is a curator aged 68 and her gf is 76 (?) and a writer, and this looks like a joke a-la samuel beckett. and they met not so long ago, so it's not like they have spent their lives side by side. i don't want to end up like that. and yet there's no guarantee that i won't.

My problem is elsewhere. I just find myself only approached by rubbish, that's all. Rubbish wants to love me, non-rubbish doesn't. Or else they are tepid and blond (another thing I can't stand) or something is always wrong. My lover was perfect, thin and pale with dark hair and holding him felt like being held by god or something. I can't explain it. We went all euphoric when we first met, I could feel the world transforming forever. And at some point we were walking and I was standing in the middle of the road, and a car nearly ran me over, but he pulled me towards him, so we were just standing there like that, i could see he was as freaked out as i was, because it really felt like the universe streaming through us. And all of this was taken away from me. And astrologically speaking his eros was almost exactly conjunct my psyche. Not only the same sign, virtually the same degree too.

So well. It cannot possibly be like this ever again. I once did a full moon spell to attract new love. And exactly 3 days after I arranged to meet someone to sell my iPod and he ended up asking me out. A timid little ginger prick shorter than me. Moreover that, he kept nagging. I felt the universe was mocking me. Of course I didn't go.

So you see. Saturn has only been taking things away from me and humiliating me. does this mean i should live in resignation and get laid with horrible people? if yes perhaps it's time for me go where saturn cannot reach me.

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Be open-minded.. be open to change.

You never know because can't predict the future maybe you could end up with exacly what you want..

posted June 24, 2012 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by ellerassasomba:
Be open-minded.. be open to change.

You never know because can't predict the future maybe you could end up with exacly what you want..

Saturn transits are about learning.. whats wrong with learning?

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posted June 24, 2012 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hi ellerassasomba, thanks for your comment. So it's still assuming cannot be happy until the return? quod erat. I want it way before. In fact I want it now.

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If you want to be happy now.. go out and get it! It's your life.. you decide your fate.. no one else does.

posted June 24, 2012 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by ellerassasomba:
If you want to be happy now.. go out and get it! It's your life.. you decide your fate.. no one else does.

I must advise though.. that you leave all the pessimism and negativity at home or else that is all you will attract.

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posted June 24, 2012 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
every time i start feeling hopeful something ends up upsetting me. see above. i wore all my best clothes, ripped velvet shorts with a silk and lace belgian shirt, then i walked into a pub and every single idiot started eyeballing me. every single one except the only hot one who was with a woman. obvious message: never stretch your legs beyond the length of your blanket. every time something happens as if to hit me on the head and remind me i'm rubbish.

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It's only partly what you wear and 99.9% your ATTITUDE.

How you carry yourself.

If something gets you down, you get right back up and remember all your wonderfulness! because you ARE wonderful!

posted June 24, 2012 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by ellerassasomba:
It's only partly what you wear and 99.9% your ATTITUDE.

How you carry yourself.

If something gets you down, you get right back up and remember all your wonderfulness! because you ARE wonderful!

P.S. - you definitely can find happiness in much more places than a pub! But it's a start! Call your friends! Tell them to call their friends.. hang out with coworkers!

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posted June 24, 2012 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
i can't see how just the return could trigger a change. And what is b.s.? And it's still assuming I'm going to live to be 29 or whatever. Mature love does not hold a candle to youthful love, that's the only thing. It cannot cater to my emotional needs. If it worked for you, fine. I'm not denying anyone the pleasure they are having. i'm just saying it's not my cup of tea. I know my aspects are similar to Kim Gordon's, but its still a toss up I might be lucky like her. What she found is so rare, it's not like I might possibly end up like her

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posted June 24, 2012 11:44 AM            

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Trust me, it will change. When you are close to the end of the return you'll gonna be in a diff place. It just hits you of all the changes that was made. I know I feel younger and more lively. That's the type of men I attract now. Before they were all moody-but that's b/c I was also moody!!

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this "trust me" of yours rocks my socks. so you keep assuming i will only start getting good stuff after i get old? do you want everyone else to be like you? i think we have already decided that you are a late bloomer because you called yourself one and probably were one.

posted June 24, 2012 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
I too have mediumistic tendancies(?), have just been told by "dad" from the beyond to say "we can forgive the young for their errors"

hmmmm am just trying to work out where the cut off point for "young" is?

*gives benefit of the doubt* ?

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redshoes,

It's a trip, isn't it? But it can be deeply rewarding when you know you've helped someone out - whether they're here, or there. or wherever.

It's wonderful that your father can come to you. It's strange that close relatives or friends tend to go to a medium close to the individual they wish to contact, rather than make direct contact. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's to first get a better handle on your own gifts?

As to what the 'cut off' of 'young' is - I wouldn't fuss with that. There is no such thing. When we're 22, we think it's 30. Then we get to 30 and realise it might be 50. Then we'll hit 50 and realise this is awesome; age truly is not a number, but a state of mind.

Pretty Pretty Princess is a very young SOUL, though, I can tell THAT right off. I guess youngens are terrified of aging. -shrug- It's been so long for me, I can't quite relate.

posted June 24, 2012 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
My thoughts exactly.

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posted June 24, 2012 12:37 PM            

I don't drink, actually. Or do anything mind-altering. I just tell sh*t like it is, honey.

While we're on the subject of honesty, no, you're not as good as I am. You're nowhere NEAR it. Because you're young, and inexperienced. Maybe if you try again in about 8 years, you'll have a chance in hell - if you work your ass off in that eight. Otherwise Hollywood will laugh - LAUGH! - at your sweet idealism, and show you the lovely lacquered door.

But, really. You are EXACTLY like our supermodel vampire. I ran the backstory by the staff early this morning. (I'm the showrunner.) They loved it.

So, really. Thank you. If you see 'yourself' on TV in about a year, you'll recognise it. Hopefully you won't off yourself before 'your' grand debut. BTW, I'll tell you her name is Lucy. (I'm sure it's a name you hate. Me = doesn't care.)

And 'love' sucks until you find something real. It friggin' hurts. You think we haven't lost or suffered, too? Sweetheart, you have no concept. I for one, guarantee, though this is hardly a contest here, have had a sh*ttier time on the planet than you.

And you call me cynical? Screw you. I've found hard earnt realism, thank you. I've been through the proverbial wilderness, I kept on plowing through rather than acting like a pretty-pretty princess and making suicide plans, and I'm finally to a point where I feel like I'm doing what I was meant to.

So buck up. Or shut up. But pick one. Saturn helps those who help themselves.

posted June 24, 2012 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
andstuff,

I don't drink, actually. Or do anything mind-altering. I just tell sh*t like it is, honey.

While we're on the subject of honesty, no, you're not as good as I am. You're nowhere NEAR it. Because you're young, and inexperienced. Maybe if you try again in about 8 years, you'll have a chance in hell - if you work your ass off in that eight. Otherwise Hollywood will laugh - LAUGH! - at your sweet idealism, and show you the lovely lacquered door.

But, really. You are EXACTLY like our supermodel vampire. I ran the backstory by the staff early this morning. (I'm the showrunner.) They loved it.

So, really. Thank you. If you see 'yourself' on TV in about a year, you'll recognise it. Hopefully you won't off yourself before 'your' grand debut. BTW, I'll tell you her name is Lucy. (I'm sure it's a name you hate. Me = doesn't care.)

-A.

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You seem to be relishing telling me all this. I am just curious why. Besides you are not entitled to making any conclusions about my talent and quality of my work.

Pretty funny, one would assume you should be self sufficient enough not to relish telling others how awesome you are. Do you want to talk about it? I am cool at psychoanalysis, come on, what's the hidden wound? You wouldn't be trying so hard to humiliate me and show me what my position should be if things were ok with you

Madame Condescending Bullshitter

posted June 24, 2012 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:

You seem to be relishing telling me all this. I am just curious why. Besides you are not entitled to making any conclusions about my talent and quality of my work.

Pretty funny,

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Relish? No. I have a pet peeve for narcissists. And I don't think I'd met a super-narcissist alive until you. (Scratch that. I had a client years back who was. Male. Oh, was he a piece of work.)

'Cause I live here in reality, and know the HARD DAMNED WORK it takes to achieve success in this business. You don't, which is just painfully obvious. And a bit sad.

posted June 24, 2012 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
never stretch your legs beyond the length of your blanket. every time something happens as if to hit me on the head and remind me i'm rubbish.

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I'm lost. So, you're actually contending with a deep-seated inferiority complex, (hello, Capricorn, hello, Saturn) which you're playing off as overwhelming narcissism?

Dear God, stop. It won't win you ANY friends; rather just alienate everyone. No one wants a tw*t. No matter how gorgeous she looks. (Except for the night.)

Is that the kind of 'youthful life' you want to live? Bedpost notchings and gone by the dawn because your personality is a hideous contrast to your looks?

-A.

posted June 24, 2012 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
redshoes,

It's a trip, isn't it? But it can be deeply rewarding when you know you've helped someone out - whether they're here, or there. or wherever.

It's wonderful that your father can come to you. It's strange that close relatives or friends tend to go to a medium close to the individual they wish to contact, rather than make direct contact. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's to first get a better handle on your own gifts?

As to what the 'cut off' of 'young' is - I wouldn't fuss with that. There is no such thing. When we're 22, we think it's 30. Then we get to 30 and realise it might be 50. Then we'll hit 50 and realise this is awesome; age truly is not a number, but a state of mind.

Pretty Pretty Princess is a very young SOUL, though, I can tell THAT right off. I guess youngens are terrified of aging. -shrug- It's been so long for me, I can't quite relate.

-A.

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yes a trip indeed indigo!

all i want to do really is help out...i have lived so much life, i want to share and inspire and help others through like i was. I know young people, i have a teenage son ~ aaahh he is wise enough to tell me "mum this isnt me, but just my hormones"...bless him, so in the light of this i try to cut some slack now and then. why use energy to get hooked in when you can be using it to have mature and hot passion