posted June 24, 2012 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'm lost. So, you're actually contending with a deep-seated inferiority complex, (hello, Capricorn, hello, Saturn) which you're playing off as overwhelming narcissism?

Dear God, stop. It won't win you ANY friends; rather just alienate everyone. No one wants a tw*t. No matter how gorgeous she looks. (Except for the night.)

Is that the kind of 'youthful life' you want to live? Bedpost notchings and gone by the dawn because your personality is a hideous contrast to your looks?

-A.

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You have zero idea about my personality, madame

And if you gave yourself the right to comment on it doesn't mean your comments have anything to do with reality. Wasting your time on talking to me? Go earn some more cash, this is much more up your avenue than judging people by some half baked notions in your head

And I will kick both Saturn and Capricorn lout of my life if I try hard enough. But your condescending self assuredness is more disgusting than anything anyone might conceive of

posted June 24, 2012 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
You have plenty of time dear. At your age i was a mess, full of angst and quite repressed and now i am very very happy and quite old (pssst between you and i, without sounding too conceited, i feel "hotter" than i ever did) . I never got the love thing right, until i said "eff it" and then i did...if you get my drift. Love, passion and self esteem came to me later on. With no doubt in my mind, i can say with hand on my sincere heart "i would NEVER EVER go back to those youthful years"

Hang on in there, you may just be surprised

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You know, it's whack, but I do, too. I acted as a kid, and did modelling in my twenties, but now, I look back on 'her', in comparison to the me now, and she's such a child. (Okay, I still marvel at the satiny-softness of my ten year old stepdaughter's skin; but, hey, such is life.)

I feel better, more prepared, than I ever have. I'm ready to get back out there in front of the cameras, which is one of the reasons I'm taking on this huge burden of running my own show. It's time. I'm hitting my early thirties, and to most of Hollywood, it's still 'just a baby'. So, I breathe.

We're all fumbly and overly optimistic when we're young. But, wow. There is something truly amazing that happens after 30 (as if 'Sex and the City' didn't drill that into our brains enough?) which kinda changes everything. My Saturn Return came and went. I got married, got serious, and started working. Hard.

And the funny thing that happened - which I wasn't expecting - was the sexual revolution. At 22, I wasn't leading lady material. At 32, oh, yeah. I've got this.

So, I agree with you that it really, truly, only gets better. It did for me, at least, and almost all of my friends, a large per centage of whom are working actors in Hollywood. Oh, they all dread the Age Monster, and some get work done, but I really admire the ones who don't. They look fabulous.

They're experienced, hot, and have the world at their feet. It entirely changed my attitude about everything. Some don't age well. But they're pretty few and far between - in my experience.

Recently saw 'Prometheus' and, wow. Theron looks amazing. I know, she's only 36, but she looks incredible. Most of the 'cute' actresses who made it in their 20s are seriously coming into their own now, and it's exciting.

And don't get me started on the men. My niece has recently become a fan of RDJ. You remember him in his 20s? Oh, God. He was kind of adorable, you know? But now ... that man knows what he is and works it. Age, shmage.

I don't think Connery will ever NOT be hot, either. His charm is what's always made him exceptional.

Can you imagine how Hollywood would be if we'd all just started deciding to pull the plug at 25? Given the tremendous age discrimination here, there'd eventually be no one left! The veterans would die off, and there'd BE no new crop to take over.

The industry would tank. Scary.

posted June 24, 2012 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Pretty funny, one would assume you should be self sufficient enough not to relish telling others how awesome you are.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes. 'Cause there's NO one here that relishes talking about how wonderful and amazing and super hot and innately skilled they are.

Goodness, what would you talk about if it weren't you?

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Do you want to talk about it? I am cool at psychoanalysis, come on, what's the hidden wound? You wouldn't be trying so hard to humiliate me and show me what my position should be if things were ok with you

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Ohh, there's our buzzer, I'm afraid. Wrong answer for that one. Though, if you DO need to talk, I practised therapy for several years to pay the bills. I'd offer my services, but first, honestly, I'd have to learn to stomach such overwhelming narcissism again. I'm out of practise there.

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And you can shove your Lucy up any body orifice of your choosing, I won't prob even hear about your massively successful show, but it will bring you heaps of cash so you shouldn't care

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Probably not, but then you know nothing about this business. How you toil for years for very little, and despite how successful your series is, the money you make from the first one is pittance in comparison to your subsequent projects. It's a foot in the door. Becoming somewhat 'known'. After that, you make money. The first one is a labour of love. A very large one.

I don't care what you think of my series or the character. I just found it highly amusing that, again, someone so clueless and arrogant exists. I'm completely serious. How don't people tell you this all the time?

Or is THAT why you have no friends and 'only rubbish' attempts to sleep with you?

That's where I got the inferiority complex from; your calling yourself rubbish several times interchangeably with going on about how you're the greatest thing since bread was sliced.

Make up your mind. Are you awesome, or do you suck? Then come and tell us about it. Scratch that, don't. We don't care. Find happiness, or don't. Now you're just wasting time.

posted June 24, 2012 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Probably not, but then you know nothing about this business. How you toil for years for very little, and despite how successful your series is, the money you make from the first one is pittance in comparison to your subsequent projects. It's a foot in the door. Becoming somewhat 'known'. After that, you make money. The first one is a labour of love. A very large one.

I don't care what you think of my series or the character. I just found it highly amusing that, again, someone so clueless and arrogant exists. I'm completely serious. How don't people tell you this all the time?

Or is THAT why you have no friends and 'only rubbish' attempts to sleep with you?

That's where I got the inferiority complex from; your calling yourself rubbish several times interchangeably with going on about how you're the greatest thing since bread was sliced.

Make up your mind. Are you awesome, or do you suck? Then come and tell us about it. Scratch that, don't. We don't care. Find happiness, or don't. Now you're just wasting time.

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More awesome than you and that settles it. But then probably that still fits in the sucking category. And speak on your own behalf, gonna be better for everyone. All I know is that I will never be like you and that alone is enough to make me happy for now. Worst of luck to Lucy and I hope it comes true. I didn't want it to come to this but I've got witches blood whatever I say comes true. People break their legs and end up paralysed if I say so. You asked for it. I never really use this consciously, but whatever.

Love and peace

posted June 24, 2012 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
More awesome than you and that settles it. But then probably that still fits in the sucking category. And speak on your own behalf, gonna be better for everyone. All I know is that I will never be like you and that alone is enough to make me happy for now. Worst of luck to Lucy and I hope it comes true. I didn't want it to come to this but I've got witches blood whatever I say comes true. People break their legs and end up paralysed if I say so. You asked for it. I never really use this consciously, but whatever.

Love and peace

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Yes, I've walked a hard road. I wouldn't really wish it on most people, be then I can't say I've had it harder than everyone. Certainly haven't been blessed with your cushy life. But then most of us have to earn our way.

If you'd like to know what your Saturn Return is all about, it's happening. Right here. Right now. The wiser elders of the board (not really including myself here) are coming out of the woodwork to bother with you just long enough to tell you're being ridiculous.

Maybe you'll learn from that. Maybe not.

Oh, and I'm not really sure why I can do what I can do, (some of it's lineage, some experience) but what I write often comes to pass. Been happening for years. I've come to accept it, because it's become quite cool. (And all my friends tell me just to write wonderful, brilliant things, and make them come true. But I always argue that I have to write the story - however it is.)

So, I'm cautious with who I attach to characters; I try not to base them on actual people, lest some of my - whatever, innate manifestation ability - should rub off in a negative way. I write drama, after all.

I'm going to suggest you be careful - and I mean that seriously. If you've any honest 'whatever' in you, then the time should come where you'll tangle with someone more versed, (and yes, older) than you. Then you'll get your metaphoric ass kicked.

But you're indeed a character, and writers have to be thankful for the living, breathing characters in the world.

Just be careful. I'm not threatening you; I've based no character on you. I've said you're similar to, and that's hardly the same. I AM telling you that you should be careful - with that attitude. I know, I know, you won't. And that's unfortunate. Some things are inevitable.

posted June 24, 2012 02:00 PM            

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yes, i have had my chart looked at several times, nothing really impressive. i was given the derogatory definition of a late bloomer which is super-humiliating. and i was told i need men 5 to 10 years older as well. (to be honest every time i see a younger girl with and older man it grosses me out insanely, it is so unnatural, to have your youth and beauty paid for)

old men are not hot. and i only wanted to be loved while young. i will never forgive anyone if this stuff comes too late (and with an old man). i know it for a fact that it has simply been a matter of chance, the universe never really sent anyone cool and lovable my way. every time someone asks me out i cringe because i am so disgusted by the idea of even being seen next to them in the street. even to think that my chart interpretation includes "being realistic in love and relationships" it turns out apparently no one else is realistic. it is a fact that i am good-looking (and better looking than any girl i know), super-hot and with innate sex skills (don't know how, never needed practice to be good). and i can only see all this going to waste sooner or later. and my self-esteem going down because i'm asked out by losers who obviously have had zero sex lately and live their useless lives begging the universe to send them romance. i might be rubbish, but it's not the reason to hook up with rubbish.

i don't think i deserved it for my body to rot. so that really just leaves dying. i might miss out on things, but i don't want them if i am old. and by the way old women are not hot.

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posted June 24, 2012 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by jaiellelove:
Oh-Kay...*speechless*....um....wow. This sounds very shallow. I would hope that you are not THAT shallow...outer beauty is not lasting...inner beauty goes on forever. You are single because you seem to lack substance. NO REAL MAN wants to live with and love a woman who lacks substance. Have you never heard of the saying, "Show me a beautiful woman and I'll show you a man that's tired of screwing her." If all you are concerned about is these "losers" out here not being good enough to be with your "Above Average" looks, then prep yourself for a lonely road...wow...

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She's REALLY that shallow. (I know. I marvel at it, too.)

-A.

posted June 24, 2012 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yes, I've walked a hard road. I wouldn't really wish it on most people, be then I can't say I've had it harder than everyone. Certainly haven't been blessed with your cushy life. But then most of us have to earn our way.

If you'd like to know what your Saturn Return is all about, it's happening. Right here. Right now. The wiser elders of the board (not really including myself here) are coming out of the woodwork to bother with you just long enough to tell you're being ridiculous.

Maybe you'll learn from that. Maybe not.

Oh, and I'm not really sure why I can do what I can do, (some of it's lineage, some experience) but what I write often comes to pass. Been happening for years. I've come to accept it, because it's become quite cool. (And all my friends tell me just to write wonderful, brilliant things, and make them come true. But I always argue that I have to write the story - however it is.)

So, I'm cautious with who I attach to characters; I try not to base them on actual people, lest some of my - whatever, innate manifestation ability - should rub off in a negative way. I write drama, after all.

I'm going to suggest you be careful - and I mean that seriously. If you've any honest 'whatever' in you, then the time should come where you'll tangle with someone more versed, (and yes, older) than you. Then you'll get your metaphoric ass kicked.

But you're indeed a character, and writers have to be thankful for the living, breathing characters in the world.

Just be careful. I'm not threatening you; I've based no character on you. I've said you're similar to, and that's hardly the same. I AM telling you that you should be careful - with that attitude. I know, I know, you won't. And that's unfortunate. Some things are inevitable.

-A.

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Noone gives a sh*t about how damn awesome you are. Now please go away and abstain from posting in this thread. If you were as good as you staate you would be out of here a very long time ago

Your forecasting interests no one either

posted June 24, 2012 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by jaiellelove:
Oh-Kay...*speechless*....um....wow. This sounds very shallow. I would hope that you are not THAT shallow...outer beauty is not lasting...inner beauty goes on forever. You are single because you seem to lack substance. NO REAL MAN wants to live with and love a woman who lacks substance. Have you never heard of the saying, "Show me a beautiful woman and I'll show you a man that's tired of screwing her." If all you are concerned about is these "losers" out here not being good enough to be with your "Above Average" looks, then prep yourself for a lonely road...wow...

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Hi jaiellellove

posted June 24, 2012 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hi jaiellellove

I'm sorry if the impression I produced was so unfavourable. The thing is inner beauty has never been a problem, therefore I didn't mention it. But the pleasure of desiring someone who is aesthetically attractive is second to none. Plato said this, not me. We contemplate god through contemplating beauty. External beauty. So that resonating with the desire for someone that one loves is genuinely an enlightening experience. Obviously just the external factor is not enough, and Plato writes about this as well. But this lover I lost to drugs was exactly what I wanted. My body and my soul totally dug him and longed for him, and his feelings about me were exactly the same. So I just know appreciating the person and the substance can be accompanied by that heart wrenching experience that is half spiritual half organic. So yeah. Nothing illegitimate I suppose. Girls have erotic needs, aesthetic needs and emotional needs. Non fulfilment of any of the 3 results in dissatisfaction. I'll tell you a story later if you wish

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'Inner beauty' IS your problem, and it's astounding you can't see that by your own actions, statements, and characterisation. But, whatever. It's useless convincing a narcissist of anything which doesn't fit their view of themselves. I learnt that a long time ago.

And your opinion of me is inconsequential; there's really little need to go on about that, either. Haven't looked at your chart, but my best guess here will be that your Saturn Return is going to force you to look inside yourself and come to terms with the reality of it.

As for this blissful perfect love of which you speak, bully for you. Again, most of us have been there, at some time or another. And yes, we all remember it fondly with a wistful sigh.

Props, I guess, on being unwilling to relinquish your youthful dreams of being perfectly fulfilled. I guess when you spend a few more years understanding the unreality and futility of seeking it, you'll come to reexamine. Or maybe you'll just kill yourself. Who knows, at this point.

I AM curious what made you this way. Our character was always such a mystery even to us, as she was sketched out in broadstrokes: supermodel super-narcissist - or as one writer said, 'a confidence and idealism which surpasses narcissism'. (Maybe you don't see yourself that way, but you DO behave this way - at least here on the board. If you don't want to be viewed like this, then consider approaching things differently.) But we never investigated the character beyond that, as she served a purpose rather than had her own story. But now as we're adapting to series, it's becoming important that we do that.

So, I wonder. How does one get like this? I don't like stereotypes; I always thought she should be overcompensating for an internal inferiority, because otherwise nobody will EVER like her. She'll just go down as yet another hated minor character that everyone rips apart on the forums. Fair enough, except that she was never intended to be a villain. Just a foil. The writer gave her such a disgusting personality, it was quickly a concern as to how I could redeem her - even if I have one of the hottest C-listers to play her.

But I'd LIKE to tell a real story here. To have people intrigued enough - maybe just by her 'is she for real?' outrageous characterisation - to want to wonder HOW she got that way.

Hey, at this point in my career, I like a challenge. Any thoughts there? Serious thoughts, not just more melodramatic drivel. We've got that bit of her character well in hand, though this has been quite validating.

posted June 24, 2012 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
'Inner beauty' IS your problem, and it's astounding you can't see that by your own actions, statements, and characterisation. But, whatever. It's useless convincing a narcissist of anything which doesn't fit their view of themselves. I learnt that a long time ago.

And your opinion of me is inconsequential; there's really little need to go on about that, either. Haven't looked at your chart, but my best guess here will be that your Saturn Return is going to force you to look inside yourself and come to terms with the reality of it.

As for this blissful perfect love of which you speak, bully for you. Again, most of us have been there, at some time or another. And yes, we all remember it fondly with a wistful sigh.

Props, I guess, on being unwilling to relinquish your youthful dreams of being perfectly fulfilled. I guess when you spend a few more years understanding the unreality and futility of seeking it, you'll come to reexamine. Or maybe you'll just kill yourself. Who knows, at this point.

I AM curious what made you this way. Our character was always such a mystery even to us, as she was sketched out in broadstrokes: supermodel super-narcissist - or as one writer said, 'a confidence and idealism which surpasses narcissism'. (Maybe you don't see yourself that way, but you DO behave this way - at least here on the board. If you don't want to be viewed like this, then consider approaching things differently.) But we never investigated the character beyond that, as she served a purpose rather than had her own story. But now as we're adapting to series, it's becoming important that we do that.

So, I wonder. How does one get like this? I don't like stereotypes; I always thought she should be overcompensating for an internal inferiority, because otherwise nobody will EVER like her. She'll just go down as yet another hated minor character that everyone rips apart on the forums. Fair enough, except that she was never intended to be a villain. Just a foil. The writer gave her such a disgusting personality, it was quickly a concern as to how I could redeem her - even if I have one of the hottest C-listers to play her.

But I'd LIKE to tell a real story here. To have people intrigued enough - maybe just by her 'is she for real?' outrageous characterisation - to want to wonder HOW she got that way.

Hey, at this point in my career, I like a challenge. Any thoughts there? Serious thoughts, not just more melodramatic drivel. We've got that bit of her character well in hand, though this has been quite validating.

-A.

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i think i told you to go away.

you're trying to make yourself look cool at my expense. why?

so whats wrong with inner beauty? who told you it is my problem? no one.

and if you need to develop your bloody plot, do a creative writing course or something if your professionalism does not seem to be sufficient to deliver satisfactory results.

but better still go away. you're no one entitled to make superficial judgments about me. hello? this thread is not about you, do you want to come across as an egomaniac?

and yes i am looking for a perfect love. someone i would want to marry at a church wearing a dress based on anita pallenberg's one in a film called "performance". to a song called "cotton crown" playing. this requires insane spiritual involvement not possible with just anyone.... oh sh*t I forgot we were using "sex and the city" lexical field.....

posted June 24, 2012 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
i think i told you to go away.

you're trying to make yourself look cool at my expense. why?

so whats wrong with inner beauty? who told you it is my problem? no one.

and if you need to develop your bloody plot, do a creative writing course or something if your professionalism does not seem to be sufficient to deliver satisfactory results.

but better still go away. you're no one entitled to make superficial judgments about me. hello? this thread is not about you, do you want to come across as an egomaniac?

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Ha! You told me to go away? I care because?

Your problem is that you have no inner beauty - far as we can tell. At least none has been exhibited here.

Anyway, you apparently have no idea how professionals work, which is fine, as you aren't one. We get ideas from everywhere, and when a real live character wanders in, we're all over that.

So, if you'd REALLY rather not have a conversation, then shut the hell up, sweetheart. I thought you might be down for sharing some of your own background, from which I'm sure there's fertile creative material.

Not your thing? Cool. Peace out. I did try to get something out of this thread - besides a headache.

posted June 24, 2012 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ha! You told me to go away? I care because?

Anyway, you apparently have no idea how professionals work, which is fine, as you aren't one. We get ideas from everywhere, and when a real live character wanders in, we're all over that.

So, if you'd REALLY rather not have a conversation, then shut the hell up, sweetheart. I thought you might be down for sharing some of your own background, from which I'm sure there's fertile creative material.

Not your thing? Cool. Peace out.

-A.

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making assumptions again?

well, if you DID want to "use" me as material, you might as well have handled it nicely. this is what professionals do. i work as an assistant curator, so i know. i wouldn't get anywhere if we treated artists like you're trying to treat me.

does your professional self not know that provoking confrontation is the least reliable method of getting a person to cooperate?

so first you tell me a lot of derogatory sh*t about me [based on god only knows what], then you insult me, then you start flooding this thread with detailed accounts of your career no one gives a sh*t about and then you want me to do you a favour and provide you with some research material and try to pretend that its you doing me a favour?

do you want me to believe that a professional would do that to valuable research material? no one likes feeling like a guinea pig at a lab, i am no exception. or are you so bloody amazing and special lesser mortals are only good enough to be your guinea pigs and believe the grace of god descended upon them through this experience?

if you wanted research material you'd pretend to be compassionate and implicitly asked all you wanted.

as is - how about £550 by paypal and i tell you anything you want? for that amount i can agree to be your guinea pig for a day or two.

and as 4 no inner beauty "as far as we can tell" speak on your own behalf, madam? or did you become plural all of a sudden? you, for example, have been exhibiting nothing but inner ugliness that gives one the urge to throw up and wash one's hands. i can't even imagine anyone as disgusting as the person whose image you're channelling through your posts ITT might possibly exist at all

conversation, my a*se. i don't engage in conversations with people who talk down to me. especially being NOBODY entitled to talk down to me. if I had a life you attribute to yourself I wouldn't even spend time on the internet.