posted June 21, 2012 04:07 PM            

I haven't been here that long, but I really have nowhere else to go and ask

Basically, I hate the fact that my youth is slipping through my fingers and I really dont want to face saturn return. Is it really true what they say about it, do people really lose their youth and whatever comes with it?

Because honestly some people have been telling me I am the kind that is only happy in love and otherwise in the second half of life, and I don't even want to reach that point ever.

I have been contemplating to commit suicide in 2 years' time if nothing gets better. Because I can't put up with this humiliation of not getting the few things I want anymore. Surely it will be even more humiliating to get them when it's too late?

CAn one get past this age and still be truly properly young? I don't want to become and old woman and sleep with old men, this is just gross and I'd really prefer to leave this to others. Is there hope for me at all?

posted June 21, 2012 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hi everyone,

I haven't been here that long, but I really have nowhere else to go and ask

Basically, I hate the fact that my youth is slipping through my fingers and I really dont want to face saturn return. Is it really true what they say about it, do people really lose their youth and whatever comes with it?

Because honestly some people have been telling me I am the kind that is only happy in love and otherwise in the second half of life, and I don't even want to reach that point ever.

I have been contemplating to commit suicide in 2 years' time if nothing gets better. Because I can't put up with this humiliation of not getting the few things I want anymore. Surely it will be even more humiliating to get them when it's too late?

CAn one get past this age and still be truly properly young? I don't want to become and old woman and sleep with old men, this is just gross and I'd really prefer to leave this to others. Is there hope for me at all?

Thank you very much in advance for anything.

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Too late? When is too late? My father who passed a few months back, at aged 84 had a girlfriend who was 86 and they were in love and were like two teens together

Who says because you get older you have to sleep with old men....hey its the new rock and roll to be a "mature woman" didnt you know this. Older women and younger men are becoming very popular now

Age is a state of mind and for many women, we improve, become more confident, sexy, successful, calm, wise, fulfilled.....will i go on?

posted June 21, 2012 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
Too late? When is too late? My father who passed a few months back, at aged 84 had a girlfriend who was 86 and they were in love and were like two teens together

Who says because you get older you have to sleep with old men....hey its the new rock and roll to be a "mature woman" didnt you know this. Older women and younger men are becoming very popular now

Age is a state of mind and for many women, we improve, become more confident, sexy, successful, calm, wise, fulfilled.....will i go on?

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Hi redshoes,

I was not by any means denying anybody the freedom to do what is better for them. I just described my situation. When googlemail force switched everybody to new look, their PR people kept telling angry users "you are going to like new look" despite the fact that it was the most disgusting design on the planet. I personally had to configure my mail program not to see it. It's the same. I don't want to become old. It's just not my cup of tea!

posted June 21, 2012 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by no_enemy:
don't be scared. embrace it. saturn = wisdom

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i don't care, to be honest. that planet shouldnt even be in the sky. and i don't wnat to embrace anything and be force-fed any wishful thinking re: how cool it is to be old. it isn't and it's a fact.

posted June 21, 2012 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
so what help do you want then? i dont understand what you are after?

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posted June 22, 2012 04:07 AM            

Dont give up because you NEVER know whats around the corner

posted June 22, 2012 04:17 AM            

what sign are you? did anyone look at your chart for you, to maybe give you some insights

posted June 22, 2012 07:18 AM            

yes, i have had my chart looked at several times, nothing really impressive. i was given the derogatory definition of a late bloomer which is super-humiliating. and i was told i need men 5 to 10 years older as well. (to be honest every time i see a younger girl with and older man it grosses me out insanely, it is so unnatural, to have your youth and beauty paid for)

old men are not hot. and i only wanted to be loved while young. i will never forgive anyone if this stuff comes too late (and with an old man). i know it for a fact that it has simply been a matter of chance, the universe never really sent anyone cool and lovable my way. every time someone asks me out i cringe because i am so disgusted by the idea of even being seen next to them in the street. even to think that my chart interpretation includes "being realistic in love and relationships" it turns out apparently no one else is realistic. it is a fact that i am good-looking (and better looking than any girl i know), super-hot and with innate sex skills (don't know how, never needed practice to be good). and i can only see all this going to waste sooner or later. and my self-esteem going down because i'm asked out by losers who obviously have had zero sex lately and live their useless lives begging the universe to send them romance. i might be rubbish, but it's not the reason to hook up with rubbish.

posted June 22, 2012 02:10 PM            

Hope you find help and find solace (i knew you were a capricorn before i looked)

Take care

posted June 22, 2012 03:19 PM            

But: My world changed for the better at this return(odd, return hit this year and I am 33). My experience was and has been good-very good.

I was always a bit of a loner for some reason and never got good quality men ( I got old men) With my saturn return, yes, I was a bit sad a times, but how it's suppose to make one feel, is how I always felt. Lost, empty and alone. Thru this saturn return I have been able to learn about myself, see my ways, and truly want to be a better person and make better choices. I didn't sit in my room choosing to make my life better, but instead it was like passion came over me and I wanted to learn and see all about my ways.

I was in a rel. on an off with someone for a yr and that affected me greatly. During the time I really liked him and wanted him to be the one. He was my mirror, however. What he did to me is what I have done to men in the past. I was a bit heartbroken wihen it ended, but shortly after I had felt so alive and free and felt a lot of hope. The funny thing is I had first dated someone who changed my thinking in terms of rel. He came into my life for 6 weeks but we remained as friends. I matured and wanted to settled down. I was done playing games. But of course I f'ed that rel. up and he wouldn't take me back. That's when I dated my mirror!!

So, I sense you are going to go thru what I went thru. Since we seem to have the same thinking pattern, you already feel the neg. afftects of the return and I think you will feel better. It's a time to learn adn understand your lessons, see what u did wrong and change.

Now I get nothing but quality men.

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yes, i have had my chart looked at several times, nothing really impressive. i was given the derogatory definition of a late bloomer which is super-humiliating. and i was told i need men 5 to 10 years older as well. (to be honest every time i see a younger girl with and older man it grosses me out insanely, it is so unnatural, to have your youth and beauty paid for)

old men are not hot. and i only wanted to be loved while young. i will never forgive anyone if this stuff comes too late (and with an old man). i know it for a fact that it has simply been a matter of chance, the universe never really sent anyone cool and lovable my way. every time someone asks me out i cringe because i am so disgusted by the idea of even being seen next to them in the street. even to think that my chart interpretation includes "being realistic in love and relationships" it turns out apparently no one else is realistic. it is a fact that i am good-looking (and better looking than any girl i know), super-hot and with innate sex skills (don't know how, never needed practice to be good). and i can only see all this going to waste sooner or later. and my self-esteem going down because i'm asked out by losers who obviously have had zero sex lately and live their useless lives begging the universe to send them romance. i might be rubbish, but it's not the reason to hook up with rubbish.

i don't think i deserved it for my body to rot. so that really just leaves dying. i might miss out on things, but i don't want them if i am old. and by the way old women are not hot.

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posted June 22, 2012 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
Old(er) women apparently are VERY hot to lots and lots of younger men ~ i studied this and it seems we are at our peak into middle age and statistically we are very much in demand

Hope you find help and find solace (i knew you were a capricorn before i looked)

Take care

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Oh yes of course who would fancy a Capricorn, everyone else is so much cooler. Besides, I find being a Cap absolutely humiliating, this is the worst sign. And this bloody saturn as the ruler, I'd blow that planet up this minute. Does all this rubbish really stand out in the way i write or what?

I find couples with an age difference over four years generally disgraceful. There really is nothing to get things right unless something happens within two years. Otherwise I will have to spend the rest of my life regretting the fact that my body decomposed in vain there has never been anyone to hold me, to die seems like a way of stopping it

posted June 22, 2012 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
First, let me just say that I am much like you...a late bloomer and it seems I can only get older man, blah blah blah.

But: My world changed for the better at this return(odd, return hit this year and I am 33). My experience was and has been good-very good.

I was always a bit of a loner for some reason and never got good quality men ( I got old men) With my saturn return, yes, I was a bit sad a times, but how it's suppose to make one feel, is how I always felt. Lost, empty and alone. Thru this saturn return I have been able to learn about myself, see my ways, and truly want to be a better person and make better choices. I didn't sit in my room choosing to make my life better, but instead it was like passion came over me and I wanted to learn and see all about my ways.

I was in a rel. on an off with someone for a yr and that affected me greatly. During the time I really liked him and wanted him to be the one. He was my mirror, however. What he did to me is what I have done to men in the past. I was a bit heartbroken wihen it ended, but shortly after I had felt so alive and free and felt a lot of hope. The funny thing is I had first dated someone who changed my thinking in terms of rel. He came into my life for 6 weeks but we remained as friends. I matured and wanted to settled down. I was done playing games. But of course I f'ed that rel. up and he wouldn't take me back. That's when I dated my mirror!!

So, I sense you are going to go thru what I went thru. Since we seem to have the same thinking pattern, you already feel the neg. afftects of the return and I think you will feel better. It's a time to learn adn understand your lessons, see what u did wrong and change.

Now I get nothing but quality men.

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I'm really sorry and I will willingly acknowledge you meant well, but I have absolutley no idea what you're talking about. I can't see where you see a resemblance between someone like me and someone like yourself.

posted June 23, 2012 05:46 AM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
First, let me just say that I am much like you...a late bloomer and it seems I can only get older man, blah blah blah.

But: My world changed for the better at this return(odd, return hit this year and I am 33). My experience was and has been good-very good.

I was always a bit of a loner for some reason and never got good quality men ( I got old men) With my saturn return, yes, I was a bit sad a times, but how it's suppose to make one feel, is how I always felt. Lost, empty and alone. Thru this saturn return I have been able to learn about myself, see my ways, and truly want to be a better person and make better choices. I didn't sit in my room choosing to make my life better, but instead it was like passion came over me and I wanted to learn and see all about my ways.

I was in a rel. on an off with someone for a yr and that affected me greatly. During the time I really liked him and wanted him to be the one. He was my mirror, however. What he did to me is what I have done to men in the past. I was a bit heartbroken wihen it ended, but shortly after I had felt so alive and free and felt a lot of hope. The funny thing is I had first dated someone who changed my thinking in terms of rel. He came into my life for 6 weeks but we remained as friends. I matured and wanted to settled down. I was done playing games. But of course I f'ed that rel. up and he wouldn't take me back. That's when I dated my mirror!!

So, I sense you are going to go thru what I went thru. Since we seem to have the same thinking pattern, you already feel the neg. afftects of the return and I think you will feel better. It's a time to learn adn understand your lessons, see what u did wrong and change.

Now I get nothing but quality men.

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PS: i think i saw your chart at some point and you have venus conjunct saturn? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if thats the case, then its totally different from my Venus. My Venus is square saturn but a billion supercool aspects to compensate (conj. mars and trine pluto for example), I have seen a billion people with hard venus saturn aspects and i'm not like them. So you are probably BLOODY wrong saying we are the same.

And I don't know your ascendant, but mine is Gemini, so it's all about being young.

If being mature works for you then good for you really. But I still don't get what gave you the idea we are the same when it is too obvious that we aren't. Yes, your chart is a late bloomer's chart. Mine isn't. Besides, I just found out that the person who said that about me has next to zero competence, so whatever. I have always been hot and was kind of born with awesome sex skills. The problem is elsewhere, whereas what you're describing sounds like a typical late bloomer just because you're admitting it.

posted June 23, 2012 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
I'm really sorry and I will willingly acknowledge you meant well, but I have absolutley no idea what you're talking about. I can't see where you see a resemblance between someone like me and someone like yourself.

So just out of curiosity, what did you do wrong and what did change? And really how can you not regret not getting proper youthful love? This is the best thing in the world!! Maybe you never experienced it, but I did. It just ended really badly and tragically, I lost him to drugs and such. But I know what divine love is and I know what enlightenment through physical closeness is. I'm just still resentful I didn't get enough of it.

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Let me clarify...our neg thinking is the same. I lost love because the person killed themselves and I am the one who found them. That stunted my "growth", my maturity and my ability to love. So in my 20's and some of my 30's, I too was bitter on the love dept. In life actually. I was scared about getting older because I never lived my life. I had to grow up fast. While everyone else my age had many exp with dating, I didn't. I became ****** . But it all changed with the return. I stopped blamming others and stopped making excuses and stopped with all the b.s. and bitterness, etc.

posted June 23, 2012 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by cherful24:
Let me clarify...our neg thinking is the same. I lost love because the person killed themselves and I am the one who found them. That stunted my "growth", my maturity and my ability to love. So in my 20's and some of my 30's, I too was bitter on the love dept. In life actually. I was scared about getting older because I never lived my life. I had to grow up fast. While everyone else my age had many exp with dating, I didn't. I became ****** . But it all changed with the return. I stopped blamming others and stopped making excuses and stopped with all the b.s. and bitterness, etc.

In short, this return will call u on your b.s. and if you do the work you will hopefullly move on from what made you this way.

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posted June 24, 2012 01:09 AM            

My advice: don't feed them.

Peace out.

posted June 24, 2012 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
i can't see how just the return could trigger a change. And what is b.s.? And it's still assuming I'm going to live to be 29 or whatever. Mature love does not hold a candle to youthful love, that's the only thing. It cannot cater to my emotional needs. If it worked for you, fine. I'm not denying anyone the pleasure they are having. i'm just saying it's not my cup of tea. I know my aspects are similar to Kim Gordon's, but its still a toss up I might be lucky like her. What she found is so rare, it's not like I might possibly end up like her

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Dear, you seem horrendously misguided. Youthful love is for dreamers and illusionists. 'Mature love' as you call it, which, evidently according to you, is anything past the age of 28 (gasp! 28! Oh, noes! That's SO OLD!-eleventyone) is the only type of love that's REAL.

Suck on that. And have a nice SR.

-A.

posted June 24, 2012 01:25 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
PS: i think i saw your chart at some point and you have venus conjunct saturn? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if thats the case, then its totally different from my Venus. My Venus is square saturn but a billion supercool aspects to compensate (conj. mars and trine pluto for example), I have seen a billion people with hard venus saturn aspects and i'm not like them. So you are probably BLOODY wrong saying we are the same.

And I don't know your ascendant, but mine is Gemini, so it's all about being young.

If being mature works for you then good for you really. But I still don't get what gave you the idea we are the same when it is too obvious that we aren't. Yes, your chart is a late bloomer's chart. Mine isn't. Besides, I just found out that the person who said that about me has next to zero competence, so whatever. I have always been hot and was kind of born with awesome sex skills. The problem is elsewhere, whereas what you're describing sounds like a typical late bloomer just because you're admitting it.

I could tell you so many stories about venus conj saturn people

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Wait ... this just gets better and better ... and better. You were born hot with awesome sex skills.

Oh, f*ck it. Knock yourself off, because CLEARLY your life MUST be over. I mean, the rest of us who had to mature and learn and grow (like, y'know the rest of the world) well, WE have a chance in hell at gaining happiness from our 'maturity'.

Clearly, your life is ooooover. Have you decided on a date yet? I'd go for the exact day of alignment. Otherwise, your face will begin melting off of your skull, and you'll look kind of like the Wicked Witch post-Dorothy. Yes ... age isn't pretty, and apparently it comes on VERY VERY fast.

Let me know how that goes. I've got 'awesome medium skills' (though I don't think I was exactly born with them), so maybe you can tell me how it all went once you get to the other side and how hot everybody is and how wonderful afterlife is for the aeternally vain?

posted June 24, 2012 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by andstuff:
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yes, i have had my chart looked at several times, nothing really impressive. i was given the derogatory definition of a late bloomer which is super-humiliating. and i was told i need men 5 to 10 years older as well. (to be honest every time i see a younger girl with and older man it grosses me out insanely, it is so unnatural, to have your youth and beauty paid for)

old men are not hot. and i only wanted to be loved while young. i will never forgive anyone if this stuff comes too late (and with an old man). i know it for a fact that it has simply been a matter of chance, the universe never really sent anyone cool and lovable my way. every time someone asks me out i cringe because i am so disgusted by the idea of even being seen next to them in the street. even to think that my chart interpretation includes "being realistic in love and relationships" it turns out apparently no one else is realistic. it is a fact that i am good-looking (and better looking than any girl i know), super-hot and with innate sex skills (don't know how, never needed practice to be good). and i can only see all this going to waste sooner or later. and my self-esteem going down because i'm asked out by losers who obviously have had zero sex lately and live their useless lives begging the universe to send them romance. i might be rubbish, but it's not the reason to hook up with rubbish.

i don't think i deserved it for my body to rot. so that really just leaves dying. i might miss out on things, but i don't want them if i am old. and by the way old women are not hot.

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-sigh- Okay. Time to be real with Miss Prissy Pants.

Dear, Miss Prissy Pants.

I hope you realise that my telling you to off yourself was intended to get you off of your ridiculous pedestal, because you have NO CLUE about real life.

First off, my husband is nearly forty, and honey, he is sex on a stick. You've no idea HOW many men out there that you're calling 'old' are experienced, in the prime of their lives, and past the bullsh*t that your clueless romeos are still stuck on or spouting.

The reason your 'youthful love' ended badly was because THEY ALL DO. THAT'S WHY IT'S -YOUTHFUL-. YOUNG. INEXPERIENCED. Cripes. The prefrontal cortex doesn't even fully form until age 28. That's why most 'men' can't find their a*ses with both hands until they're way past 35. Which, to you, is -ancient-.

Oldest man with whom I've been intimate is 45. Actor out here in Hollywood. Really don't need to tell you who; curiously, lacking in experience, but somehow, like you, I suppose, was just 'born with super awesome sex skills'. Or whatever tripe you're touting. Incidentally, I guess you think that some of us aren't? That you're the only one and this makes you super special? Hate to disprove that myth, too. Ah, well. Welcome to Saturn. It does that.

So, in closing, your Saturn Return is exactly as the others have said here. It's where you're being called on your BS and asked to grow up. Maybe you're just scared of yours because you've been acting like a first-draft Shakespearean villainness? Or maybe the evil queen from insert-fairy-tale here? Yeah, Saturn will ask you to put up or shut up before long. I guess if you can't you really are in trouble.

The rest of us just deal. Maybe you should come off of Cloud Nine and start dealing like the rest of us?

That's my real advice, pretty-pretty princess. Welcome to reality.

You say you didn't deserve for your body to rot, but, hey, it matches your soul now. You're coordinated, and in-style. Go, you.

Actually, we've got a character like you in our series. No, really. I'm not kidding. It's kind of funny. I sent this link to the other writers, and their responses were: 'Holy sh*t. I didn't think someone alive could be that narcissistic and clueless. Wow. We're awesome.' (Awesome, in that we actually created such a hideous person - even if she's a gorgeous supermodel - that even the billionaire CEO who's escorting her for the evening can't stand her for more than five seconds.)

You're fascinating, in that regard. But, aside from that, you're pitiful. I can't believe you exist. Is this a joke?

posted June 24, 2012 01:45 AM            

We never decided how she becomes a vampire. Now we realise that she was such a narcissistic tw*t that she couldn't even CONCEIVE of living past what she considered 'youthful' (which was probably 25, or somesuch) and so she offs herself, but is somehow found by one of the vamps who decides that she's too pretty for the worms, and there you have it.

She gets to be an immortal tw*t.

Love it!

You're a genius, andstuff. Bloody. Genius.
Thanks.

Smoochieboochies.

posted June 24, 2012 04:31 AM            

hmmmm am just trying to work out where the cut off point for "young" is?

*gives benefit of the doubt* ?

posted June 24, 2012 05:51 AM            

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One word: troll.

My advice: don't feed them.

Peace out.

-A.

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