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EmpressMendez
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posted June 28, 2012 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so I'm really new at this - don't make fun of me! lol..I just need someone to confirm whether I'm right or wrong.

Question: Will we talk in July?

Ruler of Gemini (me) is Mercury. Mercury is in 3rd house, so it shows that obviously I want to communicate.

Mars in late degrees though, I don't know what that means...


I believe he's Mars in 5th house Virgo. Mercury rules Virgo as well as Gemini.

I noted that Mercury sextiles Mars in 5th house, which shows an opportunity or positive.

Soo..is this a yes? Did I get it right?

Also, I tried calculating when by looking at the moon, not sure if that's what it's usually used..I can't come up with anything yet since I'm still reading about it. I do know that the moon is in a Cardinal sign (Libra), which is supposed to be the fastest moving, right?

*Hopes so because I've been studying*

Thanks for your help in advance..

Do I have to count the sun too? Since mercury is in Leo? Or am I confusing myself?

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posted June 28, 2012 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I'm also learning about this. You are definitely Mercury. But who is 'he'? Are you asking about a romantic interest? That would then be 5th house ruler? Mercury again. So I would choose you as Moon and the Mercury as he? If you increase the orbs a bit the Moon is applying in a square to Mercury a bit above 10 degrees. So it's applying that's good, it's a square means a challenge. Maybe you will talk in 10 days or something to do with 10? lol Also Mercury is dignified in the 3rd house.

this is a nice link i found =) http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12782
Rule Number Two (the most important rule): Keep it simple at first.

In horary it can be very tempting to examine the relationships between every single planet in the chart, to see what they’re ‘doing’ and what they ‘mean’ in the chart. Don’t!

All you really need in most charts is:

The 1st house ruling planet
The planet ruling the house of the quesited
The Moon

What are these three things ‘doing’ with one another? Applying? Separating? Are they ‘friendly’ to one another (Sun in Sagittarius and Jupiter in Leo, for example)? Do they ‘dislike’ one another?

*but wait, in this link it says ex-boyfriends + romantic interests should be counted as 7th house...

so if that's the case with you, then Mercury is you, he is Jupiter, and they are applying with a 1 degree sextile, + Jupiter is dignifed in the 12th house(but also detriment in Gemini), but it points to a yes?

*i'm sorry, probably didn't help much lol =)

*edit*
this link is nice too http://www.navarroastrology.com/articles/article?article_id=3

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posted June 28, 2012 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!! Lol..wow it's still so confusing. I thought I nailed it, lol.

No he's not an ex, just an interest. So I guess since it's square..I'll take that as a no. I read somewhere that a square means no.

Hmm, I just thought he would be Mars..ahh so confusing!! Lol. But thanks you for your input and clarifying things!!

But someone told me yesterday that it looks like we'll be speaking within 9-10 days..which is why I asked the question -shrugs- looks like you got a 10 too lol..

Have to wait and see

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posted June 28, 2012 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, but wait! lol

You're specifically wanting to know about communication(3rd house), Moon rules the 3rd and the Moon could also refer to the other person(not just you), so then you are Mercury, he the Moon? Moon square Mercury 10 degrees applying again then.

and from the link this:
Rule Number Six: Context is EVERYTHING.

People often mistakenly believe that ‘a square means “no” and a trine means “yes”’, but this isn’t always the case! You must understand the context of the question, and the reason they asked the question in the first place. A square can still mean a ‘yes’ if the planets are friendly to one another and are applying: this might mean ‘yes, but you’ll have to work hard for it’. Likewise, an applying trine in a question of divorce might mean that they won’t get divorced, but will reconcile instead. Be careful with this!

So since it's applying that's a YES, but it might be a bit of a challenge! lol

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posted June 28, 2012 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohh, lol. But I'm Gemini (asc) = Mercury (3rd house communication) I was pretty sure he was Mars in 5th house, but also noticed he's in Virgo (Mercury his ruler). I saw Venus trines Mars. I'm not sure the moon applies here since it's not really making contact to any of the sigs...

I checked and Mercury sextiles Mars so that's what I went for originally lol. I checked on astro.com (birth chart) and they did sextile..but hey I can be wrong

*Confuzzled* :P

Or maybe I'm Mars AND Mercury?!?! LOL..I give up!!

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posted June 28, 2012 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL I'm totally confused now too

Yes you have Mercury sextile Mars 5 degrees, but it's seperating, notice the 5 S, so that's not good. It needs to be an A(applying).

I'll let the experts help you know. Good luck. lol

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posted June 28, 2012 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I may be Moon and him Sun , no aspects..(or vice versa)


Okay I see a definite no then..I'm convinced it's a no.. =/

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posted June 28, 2012 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I'm personally convinced the Moon square Mercury counts. Moon is the most important.

If you increase the orbs on Astro.com to 150% (the lovely appleberry uses it like this) ! , then the Sun would be applying to the Moon 15 degrees (however Cancer/Libra are not 'friendly' signs), so there is hope! lol

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posted June 28, 2012 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tonia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
main significators are mercury and jupiter have a sextife so yes. jupiter is on sign of mercury so he wants you.your 3rd ruler is moon and his 3rd ruler saturn have conjuct so again yes
i am not expert
in the end of july update :-D

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posted June 28, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Anchi:
Well I'm personally convinced the Moon square Mercury counts. Moon is the most important.

If you increase the orbs on Astro.com to 150% (the lovely appleberry uses it like this) ! , then the Sun would be applying to the Moon 15 degrees (however Cancer/Libra are not 'friendly' signs), so there is hope! lol


Lol. I'm trying to be realistic and not get my hopes up. Thanks so much for your help ! <3

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posted June 28, 2012 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tonia:
main significators are mercury and jupiter have a sextife so yes. jupiter is on sign of mercury so he wants you.your 3rd ruler is moon and his 3rd ruler saturn have conjuct so again yes
i am not expert
in the end of july update :-D

Lol, woo thanks . You have a point in that he has to be the one to contact me because there's no way I will. How did you figure out his sig was Jupiter?

Oh, romantic interest in 7th house. Jupiter ruler of sag. Ok got it. Thanks

Thank you, I'll keep you updated!

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posted July 31, 2012 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Update: we never spoke...no contact from him :/


An ex contacted me though, but I have no interest in him at all.

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posted August 01, 2012 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aww Empress that sucks! he was Jupiter ruled by you Mercury, maybe that shows that if you had contacted him first, he would have replied? also i've just now seen the Moon was Via Combusta . between 15 degrees of Libra and 15 degrees of Scorpio the Moon is Via Combusta, and that is unfavorable apparently, or something like anything can happen.

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posted August 02, 2012 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thefish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Horary is a progression of going through rules.

Since you are asking the question you are represented by the sign on the ascendant which is gemini which is represented by mercury.

He being a potential love interest is represented by the sign of the descendant, Sagittarius which is represented by Jupiter.

Since this is a romantic Question you are represented by venus and he the sun.

The moon reflects your feelings on the issue.

Once you set which planets are active.

You need to check the "rules"

What I see is a moon that will not form any major aspects prior to leaving it's current sign which means a bad result for the person posing the question.

Normally he's represented solely by jupiter

but since we're talking about communication we go to his 3rd house (9th on this chart)
which is Capricorn represented by Saturn.

Saturn squares mercury which is in your third house so the answer is no.

The moon being so close to saturn suggests that you really wanted him to contact you specifically to get romance going.

We also see venus semisquadrate to saturn which suggests that a romance would be a dire challenge.

Venus being close to the ascendant suggests that you are wearing your intentions on your sleeve that its' readily apparent that you are looking for love/romance etc in this equation.

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posted August 02, 2012 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whereabouts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find these charts fascinating and I plan to, at some point, learn how to read them.

EmpressMendez, if it happens, it was meant to be; if it doesn't, it wasn't. Trust in that and Keep the Faith.

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posted August 02, 2012 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Thefish seems to know what he/she is talking about. thank you for the explanation! =)

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posted August 03, 2012 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good!!! Thanks for the easy to understand explanation . You are great.

I'm so new at this, but I'm in love with it. LOL

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Originally posted by Thefish:
Horary is a progression of going through rules.

Since you are asking the question you are represented by the sign on the ascendant which is gemini which is represented by mercury.

He being a potential love interest is represented by the sign of the descendant, Sagittarius which is represented by Jupiter.

Since this is a romantic Question you are represented by venus and he the sun.

The moon reflects your feelings on the issue.

Once you set which planets are active.

You need to check the "rules"

What I see is a moon that will not form any major aspects prior to leaving it's current sign which means a bad result for the person posing the question.

Normally he's represented solely by jupiter

but since we're talking about communication we go to his 3rd house (9th on this chart)
which is Capricorn represented by Saturn.

Saturn squares mercury which is in your third house so the answer is no.

The moon being so close to saturn suggests that you really wanted him to contact you specifically to get romance going.

We also see venus semisquadrate to saturn which suggests that a romance would be a dire challenge.

Venus being close to the ascendant suggests that you are wearing your intentions on your sleeve that its' readily apparent that you are looking for love/romance etc in this equation.


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posted August 03, 2012 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just thinking about this today!! I kept getting a card when asking questions about him, then again when asking a "when" question. I was confused at first, but I finally understand that it was telling me that I had to contact him first .

But there's no way that will happen again, lol. Thanks for your help!!

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Originally posted by Anchi:
aww Empress that sucks! he was Jupiter ruled by you Mercury, maybe that shows that if you had contacted him first, he would have replied? also i've just now seen the Moon was Via Combusta . between 15 degrees of Libra and 15 degrees of Scorpio the Moon is Via Combusta, and that is unfavorable apparently, or something like anything can happen.

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posted August 03, 2012 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very true =)

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Originally posted by whereabouts:
I find these charts fascinating and I plan to, at some point, learn how to read them.

EmpressMendez, if it happens, it was meant to be; if it doesn't, it wasn't. Trust in that and Keep the Faith.


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posted August 03, 2012 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok.This one I asked a couple of days ago. Since fish put it so easy I decided to try to interpret this one.

Let's see if I get this one right..

This time I'm Saturn in the 9th house and he's the moon in 1st house (weird?) Would he also be the sun in 7th then? or just Mars this time as well? Main sigs Moon squares Saturn and they are separating, so that's an instant no, so disregard the rest, right?

Saturn conjunct Mars (ruler of his 3rd house is 10th house Scorpio). Saturn conjunct Mars is applying..means I want to talk to him?

Venus trines Mars also applying (just means I really like him?).

So how did I do?


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posted August 05, 2012 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone? (bump) ::::: ))))))

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posted August 07, 2012 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Empress =)

Moon(he) square Saturn (you) is applying (see the A under square).

He is detriment in Capricorn and ruled by you. in your first house. I think this again means he is waiting for you to make the first move. lol

the square is applying but it shows obstacles, since Moon is detriment, he won't make the call unless you contact him first I think.

also Venus + Mars are seperating (see the S under trine)!

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Empress, I am eager to learn how this all plays out! Do tell after you've attempted to contact him and what his response is to that. it sounds kind of exciting.

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posted August 07, 2012 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for novembermuse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dropping in to say HI and I hope you everything goes the way you want!!! In light and love. NM

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posted August 07, 2012 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohh Anchi! Thanks . Lol. But how do I know which square is which then? Ahh, so confusing. I don't know which one is applying or separating because I thought the square was the one that was separating. I checked on astro.com (I do horary and don't press event, instead I check female) so I treat this like an actual birth chart since I'm such a noob, lol. I can't tell which squares are applying or separating just by looking.

I checked on the Interactive section and it showed the square as being the first one that's separating and not the first one that's applying =/. So how do you do it?

Sorry for being s l o w :P

But thanks sooooo much for your help!!! <3


Edit: Oh, I see now! I have to look under Saturn instead of under the Moon . Omgosh, thanks!!

Edit#2: Wouldn't it make more sense to look under the planet that initiates the application instead of the one that receives it?? For example, you look under Saturn here, but the Moon is the one that initiates the contact with planet Saturn not the other way around 0_0.

Moon makes two squares.

First one: Moon Square Saturn
Second one: Moon Square Mars

I looked under the moon (chart) and the first square (Saturn) is separating.

For Saturn:

Moon Square Saturn
Saturn Square Ascendant

Saturn Square Ascendant is the one applying..

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