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posted July 26, 2012 05:52 AM            

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Hello all
I was wondering if anyone might have the time to take a look at these two horary charts and offer some guidance please?

The first is for a friend of mine who's in a dead end relationship and wants to leave but is lacking the courage to actually do something about it. I have her permission to upload this and the question is will she leave A soon? (She's G by the way.)

The second is something I'm not certain if horary as opposed to natal/progressed charts could tell me but I thought I'd give it a go. The question I asked is 'will I find love soon?'

Thank you so much to anyone who is able to help I'd be happy to do a romance angel oracle reading in return if you like.

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posted July 26, 2012 06:12 AM            

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Sorry, seeker, I know nothing about these charts. I'm a bit intrigued but this isn't really my thing.

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posted July 26, 2012 12:53 PM            

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I'm a beginner at this. I will try to read the second horary chart you posted (your question). The first sounds a bit tricky to me and I didn't really understand the question in the context of her situation (is she actually asking if she'll find courage to leave him at one point?)

So Second chart:
you're Venus (asc libra) and Moon and Saturn.
Potential love partner is Mrs (desc aries)

Venus is in gemini in the 9th house: are you actually very concerned by some intellectual matters ?
Moon and saturn in your first house and conjunct each other could indicate that there's some emotional limits and restrictions on you right now that you're very much aware of. You could be feeling down, held back and have this feeling of delayed emotional fulfillment. In a more positive light it could also indicate that you're trying to have more serious tones and sort out your feelings.
Potential partner is in Libra (ruled by YOU) and in the 12th house. To me this looks like someone is very much into you but you aren't aware of it yet (your 12th house) (or it could be someone you don't know yet who will have an interest in you).
Venus and Mars are in an applying trine with Mars applying to Venus ( i'm not sue about this 100% but that's what I believe is right) so this person, could make some moves to catch your attention (or you could meet this person if you don't know him yet) in the months to come.

Overall your significators being in an applying aspects and potential partner being ruled by you is a positive answer to me.
The only thing that could be a bit negative to me is saturn in your first house.

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posted July 26, 2012 01:25 PM            

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Thanks so much ueharaa! Wow! For a beginner you seem to really know your stuff because that's such an accurate picture of how I feel right now. Funnily enough I'm a Libra Sun so Saturn is very much 'personal' to me at the moment, having been in my sign for around 2-3 years and "delayed emotional fulfillment" couldn't be more apt a term! I won't be sorry to see him go however I know it's been an invaluable experience and just as you said, I'm trying to be more serious and sort out my feelings in order to find out what it is I really want. So uncanny!

As to the other chart yes you put it better than I did - she's almost paralysed by fear at the moment and can't seem to see herself away from him. She asked me to ask if she'd ever "find the guts to do the deed" so yes, she wants to know if she'll have the courage to leave him. He's not physically abusive but he's a very overbearing person and does things like taking her phone from her to check who she's called! I couldn't believe that when I saw it! She desperately wants out but she's admitted she can't seem to face telling him. I didn't know whether that sort of thing could be addressed by horary charts but I told her I'd try at least. No worries if it's not possible and thanks so much again for your reading on my chart. Would you like a romance oracle reading? x

And thanks for your reply too whereabouts

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posted July 26, 2012 04:48 PM            

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You're welcome
I've researched saturn in the first house as I vaguely remembered that this was seen as a negative influence. It turns out it is part of the "strictures against judgement" in that it can cause delays and obstacles (such as an early ascendant would indicate that it is too soon to have a clear answer). However it is said though that an exception to this rule is made when it describes what is going on around/about the person who asked, which is your case (at least from the feedback you gave). I think if you master your saturn and do not let yourself affected by his negative influences then everything will work out just fine I really hope they do

And my cap sun and moon can relate to saturn harsh transits lately (this with uranus and pluto in cardinal sign, quite a restless, restrictive and explosive combo) Lots of delays, obstacles, setbacks.. it gets really fustrating in the end and it is very easy to just lose hope (the ultimate mistake according to me) .. patience and perseverance are saturn's best friends. I like the idea that saturn tests us to see if we're worth all the rewards he can give when we learn his lessons.

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posted July 26, 2012 05:24 PM            

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Also, for your friend, I'm going to give it a try but I'm not sure how accurate an horary can be for issues where we have a choice in it.

The chart is the same as you:
she's venus
her partner is mars.

Moon and Saturn conjunct and in the first house, in her case would indicate that she feels emotionally stifled at the moment. From what you said he seems to be possessive (jealous?) of her so here moon-saturn could be indicative of feeling restricted and not having her needs met.
His significator, mars, is in her 12th house so it seems like she has mixed feelings. He confuses her and she doesn't know what to think or believe and where to stand. It could also mean that he has hidden motives. Mars is in libra though ruled by her, so he has strong feeling towards her.
Now she's venus in gemini, in her 9th house and thus in his 3rd house. I honestly don't know how to interpret this but I wonder if it could be representative of the fact that she wants to talk it out with him ?
From this, I get the feeling that she hasn't made up her mind yet, mainly because he is in her 12th house which to me is a clear indicator that she can't see him clearly.
Mars is in an applying aspect to Venus. This is where the interpretation gets tricky. Applying aspects generally positive outcome for the quester. However here, mars is applying to Venus. He is coming to Venus to make an exact harmonious aspect.
So either she won't leave him, and at best, they would have talked it out and reached an understanding which would allow them to keep their relationship (harmonious aspect).
Either the fact that mars is applying to venus indicates that he will keep his behaviour but she will eventually with some time find the strength to face him (harmonious aspect where the outcome is positive to the question asked)
The worst case scenario indicated by the chart would be that the saturn in the first house indicates delays and difficulties in getting out of this relationship. Mars applying to Venus: she stays in this relationship because of these. BUT even with this case, there's hope that she makes up her mind when venus starts moving faster than mars and thus moving away from him.

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posted July 28, 2012 08:51 AM            

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That is absolutely uncanny!!! He completely possesses her (checking her phone is just one way - he restricts her use of the car etc too) and yet because of her son I think she feels torn. He's started being 'nice' to her because she actually blurted out recently that she wants it to be over. I think from watching his behaviour he's under the impression this is just a phase and if he pays her a bit of attention she'll come round and change her mind. That's confusing her... plus there's another guy (very good friend of mine) who's totally in love with her and she has strong feelings for him so that's adding to the confusion. We've all told her that we'll help in any way we can - but in the end it has to be her call and she's the only one who can tell him it's over.

They've gone on holiday (it was planned for ages and she's gone for the sake of her son) but I worry because now when she gets back and (assuming she does pluck up the courage and tells him as she planned to) he's just going to throw that in her face that she took the holiday before she left. I think that's what she's most worried about - his reaction. So good to see though that the chart indicates that she will eventually find the courage from somewhere and tell him.
Thank you so much!!!

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