posted July 29, 2012 09:59 AM            

As an FYI: I do a modified Celtic Cross Reading and add a 12th card to reflect the 12th month in a calendar so each card can also be used as a guide to timing, months, signs, whatever your intuition tells you. I further draw four more cards as a side spread on what is to come after what lies in the CC spread. I use a significator and I let the cards choose who that will be. I ALWAYS look at the bottom card as it will give me insight into the reading as a whole.

I am Pisces. My son is Scorpio. My ex is Taurus. My relationship with my son has been severely damaged by his father's overly dominant and bullying ways - I call it his illogical arrogance - as my son is very influenced by external pressure and he's young an overly impressionable, and still has yet to learn to stand up for what he truly believes in when opposing forces are bearing down on him and being overly dominant. His father has taught him through action how to treat women poorly, as if they are less capable and their perspective is flimsy female crap. My son has experienced some terrible situations because of this poor outlook and perspective and has in some ways learned but in others ways has not as he is still heavily influenced by his father's overly dominant perspective and outlook. I'm so much stronger than I used to be with his father but he still draws on me in a negative way and it is still overly taxing to be near his energy but there is little I can do about that now.

Anyway, here are the cards I pulled and I'd really like to hear your take on it. Everyone sees things differently, and I am most interested in a variety of perspectives so I can see more openly, and view things from a varied and objective perspective.

Reading:

Significator: King of Swords (Scorpio)
Situation: XIV Temperance Reversed
Challenge: XII Chariot Reversed
Focus: XV The Devil
The Veil: V The Heirophant Reversed (Taurus)
Past Energy: VII Wands Reversed
Furture Energy: II of Cups
Base Staff: V of Swords Reversed
Environment: IX The Hermit
Advise/Hopes/Fears: VIII of Pentacles Reversed
Outcome: VIII of Wands
12th Card: VII of Swords Reversed

Additional four Cards:
0 The Fool Reversed
XVIII The Moon Reversed (Pisces)
X of Cups (Pisces)
I The Magician

Bottom Card on deck:
III of Wands

posted July 29, 2012 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by whereabouts:
I did this reading a short while ago while thinking about my ex and his overly negative moods, attitude, etc., and how it impacts my son and the relationship between my son and I.

As an FYI: I do a modified Celtic Cross Reading and add a 12th card to reflect the 12th month in a calendar so each card can also be used as a guide to timing, months, signs, whatever your intuition tells you. I further draw four more cards as a side spread on what is to come after what lies in the CC spread. I use a significator and I let the cards choose who that will be. I ALWAYS look at the bottom card as it will give me insight into the reading as a whole.

I am Pisces. My son is Scorpio. My ex is Taurus. My relationship with my son has been severely damaged by his father's overly dominant and bullying ways - I call it his illogical arrogance - as my son is very influenced by external pressure and he's young an overly impressionable, and still has yet to learn to stand up for what he truly believes in when opposing forces are bearing down on him and being overly dominant. His father has taught him through action how to treat women poorly, as if they are less capable and their perspective is flimsy female crap. My son has experienced some terrible situations because of this poor outlook and perspective and has in some ways learned but in others ways has not as he is still heavily influenced by his father's overly dominant perspective and outlook. I'm so much stronger than I used to be with his father but he still draws on me in a negative way and it is still overly taxing to be near his energy but there is little I can do about that now.

Anyway, here are the cards I pulled and I'd really like to hear your take on it. Everyone sees things differently, and I am most interested in a variety of perspectives so I can see more openly, and view things from a varied and objective perspective.

Reading:

Significator: King of Swords (Scorpio)
Situation: XIV Temperance Reversed
Challenge: XII Chariot Reversed
Focus: XV The Devil
The Veil: V The Heirophant (Taurus)
Past Energy: VII Wands Reversed
Furture Energy: II of Cups
Base Staff: V of Swords Reversed
Environment: IX The Hermit
Advise/Hopes/Fears: VIII of Pentacles Reversed
Outcome: VIII of Wands
12th Card: VII of Swords Reversed

Additional four Cards:
0 The Fool Reversed
XVIII The Moon Reversed (Pisces)
X of Cups (Pisces)
I The Magician

Bottom Card on deck:
III of Wands

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hi,

I just done your cross (it's a first for me and I'm the kind of person who need that everything goes in place in a story, there is a logic in the univers and when I found it, I just follow like following the smell of roses until you are in the garden and everything goes in place: every plant is a life).
So It's maybe not how you will do it.
Also I didn't understand the last few cards since I found the smell of your story in the beginning of your reading. You are a gallium odoratum to my nose (a "reine des bois" in french).

the king of swords, clearly your son, you have to keep an eyes on him, too quick to act.
temperance r, you are desequibretelibred.
chariot r, you can't breath bacause you have difficulties to impose your decision. Each little decision demands much more effort from you than it should be. You need more energy than you normally need for the same task.
the devil, yes it's about conflict but not necessarity between you and your ex, but between you and you. What is the best conduct to have ? Here is the temptation to use the same tactics he use or to go in in a frontal war. But what is interesting in this card here is the possibility to unchain you from some obligation. You are stronger now than you were before. Now it is time to find your own tactics to limit your ex.
When I saw the devil, I thought lawyer. Maybe your focus will be a legal strategy to limit even more the influence of your ex.

The Heirophant, you write taurus with it but I wouldn't see that as taurus or more precisely as your ex. I get the feeling that it's someone (a man probably) who could give you advice and calm you to not go in the direct conflict, to be in the shadow until everything is ready. Again the idea of strategy pop-up again in me. Not necesseraly a lawyer but maybe someone in an assocation, someone who understand what is at stack and will know how your ex works.

VII Wands Reversed is all the energy you have been in the obligation to use to try to protect your son, to limite the influence of your ex and when you see that you could be like what you said in your post "it is still overly taxing to be near his energy but there is little I can do about that now." It's your past energy not today energy because...

today energy is a 2 of cups : support by friends, new association (really think about going in a support groups for for people who have toxic exes , new engagement. You won't be alone. Whatever you think that you will be an angel to give you energy, or a lawyer to help you keep your interest and your son safe or friends to chear you up and give you advice...

V of Swords Reversed, it's fear, fear of losing, fear of admiting to people that sometimes you are not at your strongest, fear that a secret will be reveal maybe ? I would say, choose the people you want to confide (there are good and positive people around you in the futur). Again I came back to strategy but maybe if you discuss with friends or with allies, you will have the feeling to be guilty of something and you won't tell them when you should do so you could all find the best strategy. Or you wrongly dismiss some strategies because you feel guilty when you should not.

IX The Hermit: it's not you will be alone or you will have to go te retreat or to do some cleaning in your friends. It's more that you will have to find a new environnement because you will need one for the discret battle you are doing. I even think moving out. But it would be more again, having the advice of someone experimented and who understand what you are going throught and could give you some perspective on the choice you have to win. I think a professor, a specialist, a researcher etc... You are not the hermit here. The hermit would be the "higher soul" you will meet.

VIII of Pentacles Reversed : To obtain what you want, you will have to be patient and sometimes you will lack that because you will work so hard to protect your son that you will feel that all the strategies, all the talk with your son should already give fruits. But it's a work in discretion, in small ways (yet it's a battle), so the rewards will not be quick and you should not be resigned. It will be hard work but it's a victory in the end so you have to keep going.

First I have to say that before I saw the next card and I was writing about 8 of pentacles reversed which is hard work, I write : it's for the win. I feel it naturally.

How could you think that it was the worst reading ? In the end, the outcome is VIII of Wands : success ! yes it's difficult and it's not the best reading ever but it's not for nothing. You will protect your son and improve your relationship and lessen the bad influence of your ex.

I don't take into accoumpt the 12nd card for to be 12 months because I really think it's a work of time, probably more than a year and I really don't feel that each card was representing a month in this reading. In others readings, it could be but in this one, no. It's just my opinion.

What is funny is that all came clear when I saw in your list the devil. I know it was notwhat it could seems at first (again my intuition).

See fresh eyes and an other point of view

What are the four additional cards ? What is their purposes ? And the last one ? Do you do that each time or it was for this reading that you need it more cards than normally ?

If I were to summarize, you have a long draining battle behind the scene to do with allies on your side (if you don't have them for the moment, find them, they are not far) and a victory in the end. Not totally bad Life won't be easy for you but you will have what matter for you in the end

posted July 29, 2012 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by isabelle_lila:
hi,

I just done your cross (it's a first for me and I'm the kind of person who need that everything goes in place in a story, there is a logic in the univers and when I found it, I just follow like following the smell of roses until you are in the garden and everything goes in place: every plant is a life).
So It's maybe not how you will do it.
Also I didn't understand the last few cards since I found the smell of your story in the beginning of your reading. You are a gallium odoratum to my nose (a "reine des bois" in french).

the king of swords, clearly your son, you have to keep an eyes on him, too quick to act.
temperance r, you are desequibretelibred.
chariot r, you can't breath bacause you have difficulties to impose your decision. Each little decision demands much more effort from you than it should be. You need more energy than you normally need for the same task.
the devil, yes it's about conflict but not necessarity between you and your ex, but between you and you. What is the best conduct to have ? Here is the temptation to use the same tactics he use or to go in in a frontal war. But what is interesting in this card here is the possibility to unchain you from some obligation. You are stronger now than you were before. Now it is time to find your own tactics to limit your ex.
When I saw the devil, I thought lawyer. Maybe your focus will be a legal strategy to limit even more the influence of your ex.

The Heirophant, you write taurus with it but I wouldn't see that as taurus or more precisely as your ex. I get the feeling that it's someone (a man probably) who could give you advice and calm you to not go in the direct conflict, to be in the shadow until everything is ready. Again the idea of strategy pop-up again in me. Not necesseraly a lawyer but maybe someone in an assocation, someone who understand what is at stack and will know how your ex works.

VII Wands Reversed is all the energy you have been in the obligation to use to try to protect your son, to limite the influence of your ex and when you see that you could be like what you said in your post "it is still overly taxing to be near his energy but there is little I can do about that now." It's your past energy not today energy because...

today energy is a 2 of cups : support by friends, new association (really think about going in a support groups for for people who have toxic exes , new engagement. You won't be alone. Whatever you think that you will be an angel to give you energy, or a lawyer to help you keep your interest and your son safe or friends to chear you up and give you advice...

V of Swords Reversed, it's fear, fear of losing, fear of admiting to people that sometimes you are not at your strongest, fear that a secret will be reveal maybe ? I would say, choose the people you want to confide (there are good and positive people around you in the futur). Again I came back to strategy but maybe if you discuss with friends or with allies, you will have the feeling to be guilty of something and you won't tell them when you should do so you could all find the best strategy. Or you wrongly dismiss some strategies because you feel guilty when you should not.

IX The Hermit: it's not you will be alone or you will have to go te retreat or to do some cleaning in your friends. It's more that you will have to find a new environnement because you will need one for the discret battle you are doing. I even think moving out. But it would be more again, having the advice of someone experimented and who understand what you are going throught and could give you some perspective on the choice you have to win. I think a professor, a specialist, a researcher etc... You are not the hermit here. The hermit would be the "higher soul" you will meet.

VIII of Pentacles Reversed : To obtain what you want, you will have to be patient and sometimes you will lack that because you will work so hard to protect your son that you will feel that all the strategies, all the talk with your son should already give fruits. But it's a work in discretion, in small ways (yet it's a battle), so the rewards will not be quick and you should not be resigned. It will be hard work but it's a victory in the end so you have to keep going.

First I have to say that before I saw the next card and I was writing about 8 of pentacles reversed which is hard work, I write : it's for the win. I feel it naturally.

How could you think that it was the worst reading ? In the end, the outcome is VIII of Wands : success ! yes it's difficult and it's not the best reading ever but it's not for nothing. You will protect your son and improve your relationship and lessen the bad influence of your ex.

I don't take into accoumpt the 12nd card for to be 12 months because I really think it's a work of time, probably more than a year and I really don't feel that each card was representing a month in this reading. In others readings, it could be but in this one, no. It's just my opinion.

What is funny is that all came clear when I saw in your list the devil. I know it was notwhat it could seems at first (again my intuition).

See fresh eyes and an other point of view

What are the four additional cards ? What is their purposes ? And the last one ? Do you do that each time or it was for this reading that you need it more cards than normally ?

If I were to summarize, you have a long draining battle behind the scene to do with allies on your side (if you don't have them for the moment, find them, they are not far) and a victory in the end. Not totally bad Life won't be easy for you but you will have what matter for you in the end

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I didn't read your post yet as I noticed in the first line of your reading that I put down the King of Swords. ugh. That is my error. It was the King of Cups (Hearts). MY BAD and I am sooo sorry because that changes everything. I'm going to change the cards to read correctly (and proof them to make certain I didn't err another time), then I'll read your reading and provide feedback.

Thank you Isabelle!

posted July 29, 2012 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by whereabouts:

I didn't read your post yet as I noticed in the first line of your reading that I put down the King of Swords. ugh. That is my error. It was the King of Cups (Hearts). MY BAD and I am sooo sorry because that changes everything. I'm going to change the cards to read correctly (and proof them to make certain I didn't err another time), then I'll read your reading and provide feedback.

Thank you Isabelle!

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I don't know why but there is a problem with my message and not only on this topic !?

And yes, if there is some differents cards, the meaning could change. I hope, not too much.

posted July 29, 2012 08:22 PM            

As an FYI, I don't engage my ex in open disputes, he simply can't stop doing rotten things to me. He's obsessed with trying to make me negative so he can feel better about all the terrible things he has done and continues to do. He cannot have a discussion without getting angry and flying off the handle. It's ridiculous, especially considering the fact that we've been divorced for 12 years! I mean c'mon, get over it already.

This is what I see in the cards based on what I've learned and what I know:

Temperance Reversed is "excessive" in his approaches and he is "intolerant of opposing opinions". Temperance Reversed is also self-righteous. If you couple Temperance Reversed with the Chariot Reversed who is overly dominant, and then put the "focus" as the "Devil" who is obsessive and selfish, co-mingled with the veil beneath the situation that was the Heirophant Reversed who is stubborn and refuses to listen to reason (Taurus afflicted) with a rigid, unyielding attitude; it clearly shows the difficulties being experienced and they are extreme. The past energy surrounding the issue is the 7 of Wands Reversed. The 7 of Wands Reversed is "intimidation", "crushed by the negative opinion of others", "feeling vulnerable and defenseless", and "agressive gestures and improbable schemes". Yuck. Taht's a terrible energy to be surrounded with. However, moving forward is the Two of Cups. My son and I after many trials and tribulations will move toward healing, finally. (Yeah!) The King of Cups represents my son and he represents the wise side of him, the mature side. His challenge is the impressions that have been influencing him since childhood. The 5 of Swords Reversed is sly underhandedness, treachery and cunning. Those combination of cards are horrible and speak volumes to the nature of the energy surrounding the situation, my query. The Hermit represents "Transendental Introspection" which was the "environment" of the reading or how the the significator is seen. The Hermit through contemplation and an expansion of consciousness realizes what his purpose in life is. He is purity of Intention. My son is experiencing this right now. The 8 of Pentacles Reversed reminds him what not to do while the outcome, the 8 of Wands, shows he will pass with flying colors!

The 8 of Pentacles Reversed, to me, is sloth and laziness, projects abandoned, numb to responsibility. So the 8 of Pentacles Reversed is simply a "fear" or a caution, something to be aware of and something to work on not doing to prevent the outcome from changing.

The 7 of Swords Reversed signifies that the perpetrator is unmask. He will be exposed, and the truth will be revealed. OR it could mean that warnings are ignored and the results of past errors, like weeds, choke all the good stuff out. This card tells what will happen if the advise is not taken, to avoid abandoning projects and becoming sloth in your work/studies. This worries me because things can easily revert back to the old way, the wrong way.

The last four cards are cards I pull to see what transpires later on down the road and that's where I come in, in a good way but this follows the unmasked perpetrator and his foolish actions.

That is what I see in those cards.

Thanks again, Isabelle, for taking so much time and providing your interpretation of the cards. I truly appreciate it. I'll read your take on it again and if anything comes to mind or a situation comes up that relates, I will certainly provide you with feedback.

I think it's great practice for everyone to share their experience with the same spread to see the different ways we all look at the cards. I learn from everyone so all of this is most welcome. Thanks again for your efforts and insight!

posted July 29, 2012 08:35 PM            

I agree with the per month thing. However, by providing the 12th card, the cards can be viewed entirely differently and can be viewed as a "calender" spread. I don't use it that way, I use it for clarification.

posted July 29, 2012 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by isabelle_lila:
here it come again, my message didn't pass

I just said that the change in the cards could change the meaning of the reading but I hope, not to much.

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posted July 29, 2012 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by whereabouts:
Oh, by-the-way, I loved your comment about support groups for people who have "toxic Exs" LOL!

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I'm sure it exist

posted July 29, 2012 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by whereabouts:
Isabelle, you said: "I don't take into accoumpt the 12nd card for to be 12 months because I really think it's a work of time, probably more than a year and I really don't feel that each card was representing a month in this reading. In others readings, it could be but in this one, no. It's just my opinion."

I agree with the per month thing. However, by providing the 12th card, the cards can be viewed entirely differently and can be viewed as a "calender" spread. I don't use it that way, I use it for clarification.

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ok normally, it work again and I can post

So I understand for the clarification card. I never use one because either I get the "smell" of the way of someone or either something is wrong.

And the 4 other cards ?

Your interpretation is very interesting and coordinated. I will have to read it again

posted July 29, 2012 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by isabelle_lila:
ok normally, it work again and I can post

So I understand for the clarification card. I never use one because either I get the "smell" of the way of someone or either something is wrong.

And the 4 other cards ?

Your interpretation is very interesting and coordinated. I will have to read it again

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posted July 30, 2012 08:13 AM            

This is quite interesting to me because in one of my sessions regarding my project, spirit said to me "You will win." I wasn't sure what I'd win but those kinds of messages take a very long time to understand for a variety of reasons. But it is interesting you felt that.

posted July 30, 2012 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by whereabouts:
Isabelle, by-the-way, my son is taking pre-law classes right now.

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one of my post have been eaten by the big bad forum or the big bad mercury retrograde

posted July 30, 2012 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by whereabouts:
Isabelle, you said: "First I have to say that before I saw the next card and I was writing about 8 of pentacles reversed which is hard work, I write : it's for the win. I feel it naturally."

This is quite interesting to me because in one of my sessions regarding my project, spirit said to me "You will win." I wasn't sure what I'd win but those kinds of messages take a very long time to understand for a variety of reasons. But it is interesting you felt that.

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I was unsure to write it down because I didn't saw the rest of the cards and if everything was really negative how I could justify that phrase.
I was sure that you will get what you wanted in the end after effort (I'm sure also it won't be easy and cool).

Since we were on the subject of your family, I assume that what you wanted was the lessing of the influence of your ex and the evolving of your son to be his own person. But it could also be work related since just before I was writing about hard "work". This could fit also but I'm not intuitive enough to be sure for the moment.

posted July 30, 2012 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by isabelle_lila:
I was unsure to write it down because I didn't saw the rest of the cards and if everything was really negative how I could justify that phrase.
I was sure that you will get what you wanted in the end after effort (I'm sure also it won't be easy and cool).

Since we were on the subject of your family, I assume that what you wanted was the lessing of the influence of your ex and the evolving of your son to be his own person. But it could also be work related since just before I was writing about hard "work". This could fit also but I'm not intuitive enough to be sure for the moment.

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posted July 30, 2012 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by isabelle_lila:
I was unsure to write it down because I didn't saw the rest of the cards and if everything was really negative how I could justify that phrase.
I was sure that you will get what you wanted in the end after effort (I'm sure also it won't be easy and cool).

Since we were on the subject of your family, I assume that what you wanted was the lessing of the influence of your ex and the evolving of your son to be his own person. But it could also be work related since just before I was writing about hard "work". This could fit also but I'm not intuitive enough to be sure for the moment.

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