posted August 09, 2012 08:01 AM            

stron interest in home/close personal life (introversion) is what i saw first in your chart....you might not have liked your home in early life but you are connected to it either way...your past a big role in your life one way or another

a strong intellect....ability to think out of the box and also in conventional thinking....maybe artistic skills as well?

somewhat repressed personality...do you have a "shell" that takes for you to come out of? do the person people see is the person that lies inside?

strong depth of emotions....but again its "hidden" out of view and only people who know you very intimately know your true feelings

lots of emotional pressure whitin yourself...one that you might not show to others and insted show a strong and cool appearance...

during your personal development you will change greatly and pierce deep into your psyche....but this change wont be easy to you

posted August 09, 2012 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
lets start with natal ^^

stron interest in home/close personal life (introversion) is what i saw first in your chart....you might not have liked your home in early life but you are connected to it either way...your past a big role in your life one way or another

a strong intellect....ability to think out of the box and also in conventional thinking....maybe artistic skills as well?

somewhat repressed personality...do you have a "shell" that takes for you to come out of? do the person people see is the person that lies inside?

strong depth of emotions....but again its "hidden" out of view and only people who know you very intimately know your true feelings

lots of emotional pressure whitin yourself...one that you might not show to others and insted show a strong and cool appearance...

during your personal development you will change greatly and pierce deep into your psyche....but this change wont be easy to you

il come back
but tell me what you think about what i said

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Yeah I am introverted.I dont really like my home as well.I am obsessed with the past.

Yeah I have artistic skills,trying to pursue a career in artistic field as well.My intellect is weird,unstable at times.

I do have repressed personality.I take alot of time to come out of my shell,most never know the real me.

I have strong depth of emotions.I analyze myself alot as well.I never really show it in public.Some people view me as emotionless person.

I am undergoing through that personal development intensely over last 2 years.Its weird.Are these all due to my chiron aspects and pluto aspects?

posted August 09, 2012 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Yeah I am introverted.I dont really like my home as well.I am obsessed with the past.

Yeah I have artistic skills,trying to pursue a career in artistic field as well.My intellect is weird,unstable at times.

I do have repressed personality.I take alot of time to come out of my shell,most never know the real me.

I have strong depth of emotions.I analyze myself alot as well.I never really show it in public.Some people view me as emotionless person.

I am undergoing through that personal development intensely over last 2 years.Its weird.Are these all due to my chiron aspects and pluto aspects?

Thanks .Excellent stuff.Hope you come back again.

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yay completly accurate ^^

forgot to welcome you to LL XD
im sure you will find many good people here....its nice to have more people my age here

the astrong changes are effected by your strong pluto to NN aspect and the many aquares your NN recives...but also your strong pisces/scorpio and the fact that you a lumenary in your 8th house makes it even stronger....i know it doesent bring much comfort...but take solace in the fact you WILL become a better person with time...

i had strong transformations happening in the last year and a half as well...but its all for the better

had no scial life till then....and even today people who meet me for the first time feel intimidated by my serious attitude (saturn in 1st)

going on with the reading

i think you might like to work from your home...the one YOU will own and will make your own sanctuary

looking at your venus i belive you will be able to make beautifull pieces of art...actually i belive your art might speak to others....even literaly (films and the sorts...if you choose)

you might marry a partner with the same artistic inclinations like you....but the partner will be more practical...maybe a "rock" for you to lean on

posted August 09, 2012 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
yay completly accurate ^^

forgot to welcome you to LL XD
im sure you will find many good people here....its nice to have more people my age here

the astrong changes are effected by your strong pluto to NN aspect and the many aquares your NN recives...but also your strong pisces/scorpio and the fact that you a lumenary in your 8th house makes it even stronger....i know it doesent bring much comfort...but take solace in the fact you WILL become a better person with time...

i had strong transformations happening in the last year and a half as well...but its all for the better

had no scial life till then....and even today people who meet me for the first time feel intimidated by my serious attitude (saturn in 1st)

going on with the reading

i think you might like to work from your home...the one YOU will own and will make your own sanctuary

looking at your venus i belive you will be able to make beautifull pieces of art...actually i belive your art might speak to others....even literaly (films and the sorts...if you choose)

you might marry a partner with the same artistic inclinations like you....but the partner will be more practical...maybe a "rock" for you to lean on

il come back again but tell me what you think

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posted August 09, 2012 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Thanks again.Maybe I will work from home,I dont really think I will be able to adjust to working in offices,doing the same thing everyday and all that stuff.I'm not really social,I am not shy but I dont really like speaking with people who are not close enough.
Whats your age?around 18?You seem quite cheerful in your posts but you also come off as quite mature,maybe because of that saturn in your first house.I thought you were some old astrologer who has been studying astrology for ages.Quite impressive considering the fact that you are so young.
Yeah,I will definitely need a rock to lean on,too much emotions will drain me.
I have been dealing with lot of personal issues lately,could it be because of saturn transiting my 12th house?Suicidal thoughts are popping up as well but I'm mentally strong enough to deal with them.I am looking forward to Saturn transiting my first house.
Thanks alot again .Hope you come back again.

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thank you
actually im 16 ^^

i get you actually....i was usually socially isolated in my life...but now im learning to enjoy other company and seek it from time to time

im having a pretty uneasy time too....im sure that its not half as bad as your but saturn has been conjuncting my sun for quite a while and now that its leaving relief comes to me

i know that people who often internalize emotions usually are able to deal with them by them selves....from my personal experience.....but talking to another can do good

posted August 10, 2012 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
thank you
actually im 16 ^^

i get you actually....i was usually socially isolated in my life...but now im learning to enjoy other company and seek it from time to time

im having a pretty uneasy time too....im sure that its not half as bad as your but saturn has been conjuncting my sun for quite a while and now that its leaving relief comes to me

i know that people who often internalize emotions usually are able to deal with them by them selves....from my personal experience.....but talking to another can do good

im available by FB email or skype...if you want to talk....if you dont then i will just continue reading your chart....but think about it...

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posted August 10, 2012 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
saturn conjucting sun?you are a libra?how did you deal with the heaviness?I have it as natal aspect and mostly it seems I get things if I work for them,I dont get them by luck or anything.Was that how it was for you during this transit?I am still waiting to get some sort of property or other kind of things from others stated in the descriptions of moon in 8th house just like other 8th house people I guess .

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yes i am a libra

the aspect felt for me like i wont achieve eventhe smalles thing without working really hard...which can be discouraging...

i read once that moon in the 8th people get monet from women (in the family) so look for that.....doea anyone in your family own land? cause i have afeeling you will gain land with this....maybe a house or something

being a sun and venus in th 8th person....i do hope that i get some money.....the books say that both positions often lead people to getting money by marriage....so fingers crossed

but im learning...so i could support myself....my marriage should be an enjoyment...not a necessity...

posted August 10, 2012 01:08 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:

the aspect felt for me like i wont achieve eventhe smalles thing without working really hard...which can be discouraging...

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posted August 10, 2012 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Are moon in 8th house and scorpio moon similar?I cant really relate to gemini moon except the restlessness it brings.As you are sun and venus in 8th house person can you relate to scorpio sun and venus descriptions?

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well...scorpio moon bring intensity to emotions that might not be so apperant to people with 8th house moon.....also many people with scorpio moon can be very distrustful and edgy...while 8th house mooners can hide the depth of their emotions to themselves and close intimates

i can feel like my sun is in scorpio....but i have scorpio very strong in my chart....but i can understand what you mean

also my 8th house venus doesent feel like its in scorpio....it IS in scorpio XD

posted August 10, 2012 05:45 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
well...scorpio moon bring intensity to emotions that might not be so apperant to people with 8th house moon.....also many people with scorpio moon can be very distrustful and edgy...while 8th house mooners can hide the depth of their emotions to themselves and close intimates

i can feel like my sun is in scorpio....but i have scorpio very strong in my chart....but i can understand what you mean

also my 8th house venus doesent feel like its in scorpio....it IS in scorpio XD

if you have questions feel free to ask

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posted August 10, 2012 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Libra with a scorpio venus
Do you cut off ties with people without giving them any hint?

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you know me all too well XD

posted August 10, 2012 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
you know me all too well XD

its not that I mean harm... but sometimes people keep hurting me or making me uncomfortable so I just cut it off... learn my lessons and find new connections (:

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posted August 10, 2012 09:49 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I have a nice history with libras with scorpio venus so I asked that.
Do you attract people having their venus in your first house?
Whats your D.O.B.?

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youre so cute XD
at first I was reading your chart and now you are trying to read mine

actually the only person with pisces venus I have met was you (:

your sun also conjuncts my ASC

posted August 10, 2012 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome!

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posted August 10, 2012 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
do you have any placements you wish to research? i can post articles about different placements and aspects....just say the word

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posted August 10, 2012 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
sun square pluto,moon quincunx uranus,moon quincunx neptune...you have been so helpful and generous...thanks!!

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I am more rhan glad ro help you

posted August 10, 2012 12:32 PM            

also im available for private talks aswell if you find a need ^^

posted August 10, 2012 10:53 PM            

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heres on sun square pluto

The energy and challenges indicated by this square can be difficult to deal with, as
the unintegrated negative tendencies of Pluto can be fully present. Arriving at a clear
understanding of such underlying aspects of your nature, by evoking the light and the
cohesive nature of your Sun, will serve to minimise the more negative and destructive
effects of this abrasive Plutonic energy, allowing you to redirect it towards more
positive channels which are associated with your solar path. However, you will have
to remain aware of how you are expressing Pluto, as its peculiar quality will still be
vitalised and cannot be nullified, only used in a wiser manner.
The Pluto tendencies of ambition, force, power, domination, aggression, and
extremism can also stimulate similar tendencies in an assertive Sun, and will exist as
motivating and compulsive factors in your character. Much may depend upon your
Sun sign, especially if it is placed in either Earth or Fire elements, when those
tendencies may be more present as an impulse for 'power over' others. If the Sun is
in a Water or Air sign, then the emphasis may be placed on emotional or intellectual
manipulation and domination.
You will tend to believe that your focused will-power can act in a magical way,
achieving desires and purposes by the wielding of a concentrated will; often, you will
'magically' succeed, but there is usually some form of hidden cost to pay. Often
applying your potent will, especially when your motives are self-centred, can lead tomore negative and destructive results which oppose your initial intention; like the
Scorpio energy, you are liable to sting yourself and others.
You may experience considerable inner tension as a result of this challenging
planetary relationship, often finding it difficult to 'break through barriers' which
appear to prohibit the attainment of your ambitions. This is Pluto attempting to force
you towards an inner transformation, the need for which you will recognise whenever
the pressures of frustrated intentions increase, until you find it hard to live with and
in some way 'blow up', releasing the pressure. Some changes can occur as a result of
powerful cathartic experiences, which will enable you either to move towards success
or to create a new, alternative route to follow.
Attitudes towards authority are ambivalent. While you have certain leadership
qualities and management ability, you are often antagonistic towards authority,
sceptical, subversive and iconoclastic in your speech and thoughts. Obviously, this
will not lead to progress in many fields of society, but you are too independent and
free-spirited to change and be subservient. It is likely that others will maintain a
psychological distance from you, because your aura often suggests - in an
unconscious manner - that you are 'dangerous'; that your way of looking at things is
potentially challenging and transformative, and that a deeper involvement would
bring about some unknown change in them. Others could find it a fascinating energy,
and greatly enjoy your company; much depends upon their ability to handle it.
You are often looking to pit yourself against adversaries as a test and enjoyment,
feeling like a fiery warrior at war. This can be expressed on all levels, physical,
emotional and mental. You may not always express it in real, tangible terms, often
only entering into the adversarial state of mind, mentally enacting imaginary battles
with an opponent in terms of ideological disagreement and inner dialogue, as you
hate the thought of losing.
You will be hard to understand, appearing quite enigmatic to many, and may often
have a resistance towards becoming emotionally involved with others. This is because
you are aware of your emotional depths and strength of feelings, and this intensity
can make you feel extremely uncomfortable, especially if you lose control when you
have fallen in love. You have a fear of not being in full control, and will usually try to
create a relationship context where you feel in command of the situation. While
giving an impression of great self-control and balance, you often hide the evidence of
inner turmoil, which can erupt as over-reactions to trivial, unimportant events in your
life, or be forcefully released when someone 'presses your buttons' evoking a
response.
You prefer stability, and are often resistant to change, especially when you have
established a lifestyle which suits you. There can be a form of apprehension
concerning actually achieving your purposes; sometimes you make good progress,
only to run out of interest at the point when the final effort should be made, almost as
if the subversive tendency of Pluto finally erodes your solar purpose. Until the inner
friction between your Sun and Pluto is more resolved and integrated under solar
control, then you may unconsciously act as your own worst enemy, defeating your
own intentions. You should learn to acknowledge the aid of others in your life, and be
open to all their suggestions, as they can often indicate the direction for you to take.
Compromise and co-operation are two lessons which need to be learned as soon as
possible, as well as more inner moderation. Once you achieve a balance between your
being receptive to others and your dominating tendencies wanting them to submit to
you, then you should find that the quality of your relationships begins to improve in a
creative and constructive manner.Ideally, you should inwardly redirect Pluto's abrasive energy. This may not be easy,
and can involve some personal suffering, but it can stimulate a radical transformation
to occur, which offers considerable benefit and would make your life and
relationships more fulfilling. This would also be the key to attaining your solar aims
as you would be remooving an inner barrier which is otherwise likely to prevent and
frustrate many of your efforts.
Sun opposition Pluto (Haydn Paul)
This suggests that most of your problems and challenges will arise in the area of
interpersonal relationships, often created or stimulated by your own unconscious
expression of this energy, which requires a deeper understanding and inner
adjustment to be achieved before you can consistently benefit from its power.
Your temperament can be assertive, aggressive and extremist, tending to use your
powerful will like a sledgehammer to achieve objectives. You prefer to force
situations so that you are ready to take the advantage before anyone else can, or will
act through impulse without fully considering the consequences of following your
desires and aims. To others, your will and personality can seem a little overbearing,
provocative and dominating, especially as you always prefer to be in control of all
situations, and hate to feel unsure of your ground or realise there is nothing you can
do to influence circumstances in your favour. This is why you desire to be in a
position of authority, calling the tune and writing the rules, yet are so rebellious
when roles are reversed; you then use your influence to be subversive and
manipulate others to resist authority.
You will feel a desire to change the world into your image, reflecting the way that you
think it should be. As virtually everyone else is attempting the same in small or large
ways, inevitably you may experience conflict with others who do not agree with your
panacea for the world's ills. If you attempt to dictate to people, by forceful
expression, you may easily fail to get the right kind of support and co-operation,
especially if it is made clear that you intend to be the kingpin and final arbiter. The
problem with dominating and forceful personalities is that usually they insist on
having their own way, and are rarely, if ever, wrong. This usually ends in relationship
conflict which leads to their more creative supporters quitting, leaving behind 'mere
followers' who remain with the 'leader' in sycophantic acquiescence.
Without proper awareness and understanding, these tendencies can become
negatively expressed, eventually to your detriment. Yet equally they can become
extremely positive qualities to be used in socially creative ways once excess selfinterest is transcended, and you move towards the higher solar path of your
individuality rather than just satisfying lower egoic needs and desires. You will need
to undergo a period of self-regeneration, to acknowledge the needs of others to be
themselves, not as mere adjuncts to your dictates, but people equally able and right
to assert themselves. More harmonious and successful relationships are possible,
especially when your need for self-assertion diminishes through self-understanding
and confidence in your own worth. This can involve learning to be self-reliant in
achieving your own aims, rather than having to manipulate others into unconsciously
aiding your private intentions. Inner changes leading to a less aggressive attitude
and less suspicion in working with others, more co-operation to achieve mutual
goals, and a degree of compromise in your attitudes, will certainly bring more benefit
to you and others. Gaining an understanding of the elements present in your
psychology which desire for you to become an authority and leader can help to bring
about an inner adjustment, and an ability to work with others can then emerge.

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posted August 11, 2012 12:25 AM            

With the Moon inconjunct Neptune you are sympathetic toward others. You
demonstrate how much you care by offering service when help seems needed.
Because of your deep-feeling nature, it is difficult for you to remain detached. You are
like a mother hen seeking to protect her brood when danger threatens.
Unconsciously, however, you are constantly seeking situations in which you can
persecute yourself. Thus you are able to spiritually fulfill your social obligations and
justify your deep response to them. Your imaganation works overtime in creating
problems to solve.
In your professional affairs, you overextend yourself unnecessarily, which may anger
your co-workers. Such fields as medicine, social programs for public welfare, or
counselling at youth camps would enable you to make an important contribution to
society. You could derive much satisfaction from such service. Your greatest problem
is to find a valid outlet both for you and for those you serve. In any endeavor you
must determine the limits of your responsibilities and avoid volunteering for
additional tasks. Your physical constitution cannot tolerate abuse. Good food,
nutritiously prepared under clean conditions, is absolutely necessary.
Your romantic interests may prove disappointing until you can relate to others
honestly and realistically. It is not easy for you to see people as they really are. You
tend to project on them qualities they can't possibly live up to, and you feel let down
when they don't measure up to your expectations. You are also vulnerable to
deception by people who misrepresent themselves. You will have many unsatisfactory
alliances until you learn to insist that others establish their credentials before you
become inextricably involved.
You are a romantic and can find solace through artistic pursuits or any creative
expression. Your inspiration can effectively enrich your private moments with
serenity.
(Karen Hamaker-Zondag)
In the inconjunct, we seldom understand why we are so sensitive and vulnerable. We
feel that something is wrong somewhere, but exactly what it is escapes us. In
general, we feel very insecure and ill-at-ease, and tend, perhaps more than we would
like, to pick up emotional trends in our environment and to reflect them as if they
emanated from us. This hardly improves our rather poor self-image.Neptune spoils endeavors whenever we look for security (Moon), yet, because the
forms of behavior represented by Neptune and the Moon have such different
objectives, we often fail to understand the problems. In many areas there is often a
sense of having no grip on ourselves or a sense of inferiority; and this can result in
shyness, or in the need to be subservient, and we may be prepared to be completely
self-sacrificing.
In relationships, people with the Moon inconjunct Neptune can so idealize the
partner that they doom themselves to eventual disillusionment. Often, they
experience difficulty in finding the right partner; and, anyway, they are so vulnerable,
and so invapable of being satisfied owing to Neptune's lack of fixed boundaries, that
few partners could cope with them (which is also to some extent true of the other
Moon / Neptune aspects).
The inconjunct can make these natives over-eager to see things from the other
person's point of view. (Unconscious) identification with others can damage selfreliance, but does give them the empathy needed for social and welfare work. As in
all Moon / Neptune aspects, originality and artistry are great. Once they realize that
self-doubt has no basis, they can invest sensitiveness in outstanding service and
creativity.
(Betty Lundsted)
There is a strain between the feelings, the emotional responses and the creative
urges with this aspect. The Moon represents the individual's physical mother and
how she responds to her child. Neptune indicates the creative inspiration or delusion
of a generation. Neptune quincunx the Moon adds a strain here: the need for spiritual
development and the dreams and goals in life are often different from the feeling
function. The intuitive awareness that comes from Neptune disagrees with the
emotional responses symbolized by the Moon.
When this person listens to intuition, he may hear two voices, neither of which is
strong enough to outweigh the other - just strong enough to create suspicion within
himself. Ideals interfere with emotional needs, and the two kinds of energy need to
be expressed in some constructive way. The keywords of the signs and planets can be
of help in understanding this dilemma.

posted August 11, 2012 01:08 AM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
moon quincunx neptune

With the Moon inconjunct Neptune you are sympathetic toward others. You
demonstrate how much you care by offering service when help seems needed.
Because of your deep-feeling nature, it is difficult for you to remain detached. You are
like a mother hen seeking to protect her brood when danger threatens.
Unconsciously, however, you are constantly seeking situations in which you can
persecute yourself. Thus you are able to spiritually fulfill your social obligations and
justify your deep response to them. Your imaganation works overtime in creating
problems to solve.
In your professional affairs, you overextend yourself unnecessarily, which may anger
your co-workers. Such fields as medicine, social programs for public welfare, or
counselling at youth camps would enable you to make an important contribution to
society. You could derive much satisfaction from such service. Your greatest problem
is to find a valid outlet both for you and for those you serve. In any endeavor you
must determine the limits of your responsibilities and avoid volunteering for
additional tasks. Your physical constitution cannot tolerate abuse. Good food,
nutritiously prepared under clean conditions, is absolutely necessary.
Your romantic interests may prove disappointing until you can relate to others
honestly and realistically. It is not easy for you to see people as they really are. You
tend to project on them qualities they can't possibly live up to, and you feel let down
when they don't measure up to your expectations. You are also vulnerable to
deception by people who misrepresent themselves. You will have many unsatisfactory
alliances until you learn to insist that others establish their credentials before you
become inextricably involved.
You are a romantic and can find solace through artistic pursuits or any creative
expression. Your inspiration can effectively enrich your private moments with
serenity.
(Karen Hamaker-Zondag)
In the inconjunct, we seldom understand why we are so sensitive and vulnerable. We
feel that something is wrong somewhere, but exactly what it is escapes us. In
general, we feel very insecure and ill-at-ease, and tend, perhaps more than we would
like, to pick up emotional trends in our environment and to reflect them as if they
emanated from us. This hardly improves our rather poor self-image.Neptune spoils endeavors whenever we look for security (Moon), yet, because the
forms of behavior represented by Neptune and the Moon have such different
objectives, we often fail to understand the problems. In many areas there is often a
sense of having no grip on ourselves or a sense of inferiority; and this can result in
shyness, or in the need to be subservient, and we may be prepared to be completely
self-sacrificing.
In relationships, people with the Moon inconjunct Neptune can so idealize the
partner that they doom themselves to eventual disillusionment. Often, they
experience difficulty in finding the right partner; and, anyway, they are so vulnerable,
and so invapable of being satisfied owing to Neptune's lack of fixed boundaries, that
few partners could cope with them (which is also to some extent true of the other
Moon / Neptune aspects).
The inconjunct can make these natives over-eager to see things from the other
person's point of view. (Unconscious) identification with others can damage selfreliance, but does give them the empathy needed for social and welfare work. As in
all Moon / Neptune aspects, originality and artistry are great. Once they realize that
self-doubt has no basis, they can invest sensitiveness in outstanding service and
creativity.
(Betty Lundsted)
There is a strain between the feelings, the emotional responses and the creative
urges with this aspect. The Moon represents the individual's physical mother and
how she responds to her child. Neptune indicates the creative inspiration or delusion
of a generation. Neptune quincunx the Moon adds a strain here: the need for spiritual
development and the dreams and goals in life are often different from the feeling
function. The intuitive awareness that comes from Neptune disagrees with the
emotional responses symbolized by the Moon.
When this person listens to intuition, he may hear two voices, neither of which is
strong enough to outweigh the other - just strong enough to create suspicion within
himself. Ideals interfere with emotional needs, and the two kinds of energy need to
be expressed in some constructive way. The keywords of the signs and planets can be
of help in understanding this dilemma.

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