posted August 12, 2012 06:02 PM            

the penacles on his feet...do they symbolize security or paralysis (can't move)

i haven't really gotten to the one above his head...but idk...

obviously he's holding on to something, or is afraid of losing something...the pentacle in his hand...i think i get that ...

but why away from his city with his back facing it? it seems kinda irresponsible for a king to abandon his duties.
on the other hand i've thought maybe it's a noble card.
he's away from all the hussle and bussle...and maybe desiring something more....but most ppl see him as spirtually unevolved?
is it greed...he doesn't want to share his 'pentacles' with others?

also what about the other pentacles?

idk why but the one on top of his head makes me think of ego? concern for ones image..or something

i got this card in a question asking what's his problem. what's holding him back from moving forward and i got the four of pentacles?

any ideas on the interpretaion for the question or just card in general? any experiences with it that you can recall

i haven't really been looking at pictures...just googling the meaning of the card....i've actually never seen this card before....so i didn't even know where to begin when i saw it....

posted August 12, 2012 06:11 PM            

But PROPS for pointing out so many symbols at a time!! This is pretty fantastic you pointed all of them out.

And it's equally funny that this card was on top of my deck when I saw your post so I didn't have to look for it!!

As this card signifies all sorts of clinginess and holding on to things..... I dare say he might be away from the city BECAUSE he doesn't want to? He might lose the pents to other people. He might drop them (look how precarious the balance is). But he will not get any more either by being away from life and other people. So he's both preserving what he's got and missing out on everything else.

He doesn't care for other things. All he needs is his 4 pents. He might be deluded thinking he's "got it all"...

Just a few thoughts

posted August 12, 2012 06:31 PM            

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I have read that the crown is an indication of the fact that he actually EARNED those pents and they are well deserved

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[BBut PROPS for pointing out so many symbols at a time!! This is pretty fantastic you pointed all of them out.[/B]

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[BAnd it's equally funny that this card was on top of my deck when I saw your post so I didn't have to look for it!! [/B]

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[BHe doesn't care for other things. All he needs is his 4 pents. He might be deluded thinking he's "got it all"...[/B]

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[BJust a few thoughts[/B]

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[BCool you pointed this out, the city!! I've never thought about this. I keep forgetting about the moon in 2 swords all the time too..... [/B]

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posted August 12, 2012 07:17 PM            

"Efficient, but consuming work". He's Sun in Capricorn. Security through endurance. The Sun in Capricorn emphasizes that quality in performance and excellence is a must. They are proud of their integrity and stability. They are ambitious, goal-oriented, very efficient, and very hard working.

It takes great skill to maintain that position and hold all four of those pentacles without dropping one. The city is behind him and he is concentrated on material gain with this entire "city on the horizon."

While he is firmly grounded and he concentrates on material gain through practical application, can one ever be truly satisfied when one's state of mind is focused solely on the physical plane?

It doesn't necessarily mean that his motivations are purely selfish either, just that a significant amount of concentrated effort and skill are needed to achieve the particular material goal but at the cost of a huge expenditure of energy. His attitude will determine whether it's worth it or not.

Are other parts of the self neglected while in pursuit of the material goal? Possibly. But maybe not. It's something to consider.

Has the character of the person been dulled by dominance of the love of luxury in this person's life?

The surrounding cards will help the reader to know what the meaning is, whether this person operates in the realm of greed or if they are a skillful, detail oriented, goal driven, hard working individual who has the highest levels of integrity.

Reversed, this person is GREEDY especially with the Ace of Pentacles Reversed.

Money troubles. Bad debt, Bad choices regarding money and debt.

Bad business and poor financial decisions.

Lack of concentration resulting in instability, lacks purpose, weakness.

Insecurity leading to outlandish outbursts - a "tyrant", emotionally detached (Capricorn in detriment). Neurotically driven and constantly stressed out from over working.

His major obstacle to leading a quality spiritual life when in detriment is never ending thoughts of accumulating money.

This person can get so consumed with whatever they are trying to achieve that they will step on others to get what they want. They will be unscrupulous and feel no qualms about doing this to others because it benefits them. They are very selfish.

This person can be quite anxious.

posted August 12, 2012 07:47 PM            

Sun in Capricorn is about hard work and never stopping to achieve goals. The card is Cap, but I wouldn't go so far as to say which planet. Perhaps Venus conjunct Saturn in Cap.

posted August 12, 2012 08:30 PM            

Four of pentacles, is about holding onto something, rightfully, but nevertheless their is an air of hard driving almost ruthless pursuit of acquiring something, and yes reversed can be grasping/greedy.

It is certainly connected to male earth, in the order of Capricorn, then Taurus, then Virgo. It is also indicative of other signs depending on the planets in those signs, and the overall personality.

In terms of non-person interpretations, the four of pentacles, is about buildings over water, and the symbolism connection is that stability of structure is dependent on the emotional content. So if someone loses their head, or is unable to keep their focus on the step by step process of acquirement and maintaining the self control of covering all bases, then they can start to lose their grasp and what has been achieved can begin to crumble and disintegrate.

The saying that I first mentioned is often used by kids, well me in fact, *blush* when you were able to sort of beat others or negotiate your way to being the person standing on top of something, or maybe you would get this with the single man at a wedding that catches the garter, or the single women that catch the bouquet.

posted August 12, 2012 08:41 PM            

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@ hmm: also, this card is NOT Sun in Capricorn (Crowley's correspondences do NOT work and are mostly random. even if they do, they should be used for his deck. but apparently he used to dislike Waite very much)

Sun in Capricorn is about hard work and never stopping to achieve goals. The card is Cap, but I wouldn't go so far as to say which planet. Perhaps Venus conjunct Saturn in Cap.

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posted August 12, 2012 08:41 PM            

Tarot cards can vibrate to multiple planets. Sun in Capricorn explicitly describes the 4 of Pentacles in certain aspects. He is a skillful worker who has the highest integrity. He exudes a sense of being in charge. He commands his own ship. Those with Sun in Capricorn are the masters of the physical realm. In detriment, he lacks integrity and he is greedy and selfish.

posted August 12, 2012 08:45 PM            

The 7 of Wands is standing up for a principle.

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Have you heard of the saying, 'I'm the king of the castle, and your the dirty rascal'.

Four of pentacles, is about holding onto something, rightfully, but nevertheless their is an air of hard driving almost ruthless pursuit of acquiring something, and yes reversed can be grasping/greedy.

It is certainly connected to male earth, in the order of Capricorn, then Taurus, then Virgo. It is also indicative of other signs depending on the planets in those signs, and the overall personality.

In terms of non-person interpretations, the four of pentacles, is about buildings over water, and the symbolism connection is that stability of structure is dependent on the emotional content. So if someone loses their head, or is unable to keep their focus on the step by step process of acquirement and maintaining the self control of covering all bases, then they can start to lose their grasp and what has been achieved can begin to crumble and disintegrate.

The saying that I first mentioned is often used by kids, well me in fact, *blush* when you were able to sort of beat others or negotiate your way to being the person standing on top of something, or maybe you would get this with the single man at a wedding that catches the garter, or the single women that catch the bouquet.

Which makes me now think of the seven of wands that sort of is about standing your ground, and maintaining a position. But I am thinking the difference is that the seven of wands is about maintaining a position based on sticking to your guns about something, whereas the four of pentacles is about kind of acquiring/holding.

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posted August 12, 2012 09:03 PM            

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you're...am slack on the your/you're, there/their, to/too

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posted August 12, 2012 09:20 PM            

what about in my particular case...about what's holding someone back from taking action....what would the four of pentacles say in a situation like that....

i'd think being careful...right?..but with emotions? prob not...that's more of a cups theme...with money...makes sense, but really in my case any issue with money is not precent....so what then?
is he taking his time to set a solid foundation?
is he scared of rejection?...holding on to his image?
i've read this to be a card dealing with possesivness...but he's not being very possesive at all.
@where about's? what's he holding on to ...if not principle?

idk...i just feel like i'm so close yet so far....i need someone to say something to make it click..lol

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or let's just apply it to different siutations...that kinda helps me...
say you're going for a job interview ...what would this card mean then
outcome of a relationship
going on a trip
moving

maybe different contexts will trigger us to come up with things we haven't thought of so far? or just strenghten what we already know.

posted August 12, 2012 09:36 PM            

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ok thanks...i never would have considered some of the things you guys mentioned.
efficient, hard working, integrady for example...but i guess i can see it being applicable to the card....

what about in my particular case...about what's holding someone back from taking action....what would the four of pentacles say in a situation like that....

i'd think being careful...right?..but with emotions? prob not...that's more of a cups theme...with money...makes sense, but really in my case any issue with money is not precent....so what then?
is he taking his time to set a solid foundation?
is he scared of rejection?...holding on to his image?
i've read this to be a card dealing with possesivness...but he's not being very possesive at all.
@where about's? what's he holding on to ...if not principle?

idk...i just feel like i'm so close yet so far....i need someone to say something to make it click..lol

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or let's just apply it to different siutations...that kinda helps me...
say you're going for a job interview ...what would this card mean then
outcome of a relationship
going on a trip
moving

maybe different contexts will trigger us to come up with things we haven't thought of so far?

gah...this is so annyoing!

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posted August 12, 2012 09:54 PM            

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What would this card means in terms of a love reading? If you pull out this card for a person's feelings? Would it be that the person views you as a possession? Is insecure & wants to tie you down?

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posted August 12, 2012 10:05 PM            

i don't mean to complecate things with possibly trivial things but where are his feet??
on the ground or hanging in the air. it kinda looks like they're hanging....

but without a fresh head i'm going to get nowhere fast...
so i'm just gonna step away for a while...

posted August 12, 2012 10:23 PM            

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Thank you, whereabouts Makes sense as this card often comes up w The Chariot and Knight of Cups for me. Thank you hmmm for opening the thread, was just thinking of this card today. Very good discussion/views

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posted August 12, 2012 10:30 PM            

He's seated and the tops of his feet are planted on two pentacles, one each. Those Pentacles are semi-propped up against the thrown/pedestal he's sitting upon.

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i'm gonna leave this thread for a while...but i'll just add one more thing before i do...

i don't mean to complecate things with possibly trivial things but where are his feet??
on the ground or hanging in the air. it kinda looks like they're hanging....

but without a fresh head i'm going to get nowhere fast...
so i'm just gonna step away for a while...

it's been fun, thx everyone
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posted August 12, 2012 10:37 PM            

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You think he's "hovering"?

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posted August 12, 2012 10:39 PM            

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yes..lol

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posted August 13, 2012 03:04 AM            

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andstuff, there is no right and wrong with the astrological perspectives of the cards because the cards having varying meanings. It's up to the reader to determine that reading. I indicated what this card means to me. Why you are so bent out of shape over my own personal interpretation of the cards is beyond me. It is silly, childish, and profoundly ridiculous. If you want to act like your buddy and start a fight, then do it in the mirror and combat with yourself because you will not suck me into some negative childish brawl. I refuse to engage you in your playground bullying drama. Period.

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I have no buddies here, as stated previously. I was not addressing you. Incidentally, if you were born in 67, your typing speed cannot be more than 30wpm, how did you manage to flood this forum with yourself in so little time?

It was Crowley who suggested sun in cap. You said at some point you weren't aware who he was until someone mentioned him here. His correapondences were delineated for his deck and they are very reductionistic.

Answer this without your usual pontificating: if Cap is about forward movement, how can 4 pents indicate clingyness, insecurity and holding onto things too much?

I would also like to signal that interpretation should be based on tradition. If you are holier than Waite just say so, we'll take on board. Have you read Waite s pictorial key? Or have you just become aware he wrote it? Anyone who's not banned from google can find it in PDF