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flowerpower
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posted August 22, 2012 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would you interpret reversed Knight of Cups in the Strengths position of a relationship reading ?

Lack of real feelings ? Having unreal expectations ? Or, for it to be positive (Strength) could it be my own ability to not believe in the Knight of Cups ?

It is followed by 6 of Wands in the Weaknesses position, and I interpreted it as my own lack of confidence, or idealization of the 2nd person...

I am getting to the conclusion that in relationship readings, it is easier to understand if I consider the cards messages refer to the querent, and not really/ necessarily equally to both persons involved.

Any ideas ?

tHE Whole reading (I forgotthe question)

1: This card represents You. This includes your current feelings, attitudes and expectations. TEN OF PENTACLES

2: This card represents your Partner. This includes his/her current feelings, attitudes and expectations. SIX OF CUPS

3: This is the Connection card. This card represents the qualities and characteristics that bring you together. FOUR OF WANDS

4:This card represents the Strengths of your relationship. These are the qualities that maintain the relationship. KNIGHT OF CUPS REVERSED
http://tarotreadingpsychic.com/tarot-card-meanings-knight-of-cups-meaning/
(I could not retrieve the reversed picture)
5: This card represents the Weaknesses of your relationship. These are the issues that need to be addressed and explored within your relationship. SIX OF WANDS

6: This is the True Love card. This card identifies whether this relationship can be successful and fulfilling. It also highlights the areas that need to be addressed in order for your relationship to flourish. THE MAGICIAN REVERSED

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EmpressMendez
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posted August 22, 2012 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Knight of Cups reversed as strength means that you both keep feelings firmly grounded. You don't over idealize each other when it comes to feelings. You're also not illusive about it. I see it more like evening out romance and practicality.

You show emotions, but at the same time they aren't "fake" or filled with illusions. Your heads are not always stuck in the clouds (like the knight of cup's).

Does that make sense?

I also don't see reversed cards as negative, just blocked or weakened from their upright meaning. Especially if it's a positive card like the knight of cups .

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posted August 22, 2012 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Empress...

It is always so much more obvious than I can realize... :-)

I could not see the Strengths of the knight of Cups.

So the "trick" would be to identify the good qualities but with less intensity, because it is reversed ?

And then the opposite for the 4 of Wands.

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posted August 22, 2012 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I always consider the knight of cups as something bad !

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posted August 23, 2012 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if you see the Knight of Cups as bad, then it's bad in your case. It's your own style and interpretation. If your intuition tells you it's bad, then consider it so

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posted August 23, 2012 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have the impression the Knight of Cups is flighty. There is emotion, he shows interest, but it is nothing serious, it's short lived. (Commitmment would be pentacles, yes?) But if it is reversed, and its a strength, then it would be less volatile ? And it would show a lower level of emotion too.

And in line with this new lesson, I would say the reversed Magician as outcome would mean none of the the 2 persons will actually do anything to pursue the relationship, or are unsure about wanting it, or that it requires a lot of work.

It could also mean that someone's negative thoughts are in the way, but maybe this interpretation conflicts with the first two cards...

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posted August 23, 2012 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're not in a relationship with this person, then I don't think this spread is useful for the answer you are trying to get :]

P.S. I didn't see the entire reading because you originally didn't include it. You only asked about kocr initially. I just gave my two cents on how you can interpret it in this particular spread.

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posted August 23, 2012 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi flowerpower

It is pretty obvious. He's fascinated by his past nothing can serve as a substitute for.

Knight of cups rx as a strength could indicate that a lot of feelings are hidden. Or a lot is left unsaid. It might be read as a strength. Perhaps if you knew hes only interested superficially you would feel to proud to go on

Apparently having fun together is what binds you

The weakness might be that you think you've got It all there, over estimating. When one over estimates the other one feels freaked out

Magician reversed doesn't transmit divine energy upon earth anymore, and his tools fall off the table. These feelings are only earthly and no god and no magic in them

Sorry for sounding like this. I just know this type of situations inside and out. My lover once got himself someone random and then started writing me love letters re how magical it was between us.

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posted August 23, 2012 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Empress

After posting my question I remembered here we have to attach the card images, and often people say it is better if you post the whole reading. And you sent the first reply exactly when I was doing that !

It is true, so I try to find readings somewhere else, because I find it difficult to rationalize questions that could be part of a reading of my own, but at the same time most readings do not meet our reading needs :-) Some adaptations are required...

Your take on the KoCr is still valid, because even being apart, I think we can have separately developed a more realistic view of each other, having more realistic feelings (even if not passionate anymore and more of a friend type of love)

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posted August 23, 2012 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Andstuff

Your reply helped me understand better the reversal too.

Regarding the Weakness position, I guess my outlook depends on the day. It is true I dont want to be the weak side.

And regarding the Magician reversed, you mean that the energy to start something is not even there, and it is not "supposed to be" according to a higher plan. Did I understand correctly ? I was reading it only in terms of personal will. But your view also makes sense.

Now being fascinated by the past is really surprising, I would say only have good memories !

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posted August 23, 2012 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
flower, you should find a better spread that suits the situation better. It will be much helpful and I wouldn't mind trying to help you decipher it. That is if you want to, of course.

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posted August 23, 2012 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 2 cents:

1: This card represents You. This includes your current feelings, attitudes and expectations. TEN OF PENTACLES (you want a long term relationship, to settle down, start a family with him..the whole nine)

2: This card represents your Partner. This includes his/her current feelings, attitudes and expectations. SIX OF CUPS (he misses the times he spent with you. He cherishes the times he has shared with you, and sometimes wishes he could go back to those happy times)

3: This is the Connection card. This card represents the qualities and characteristics that bring you together. FOUR OF WANDS (loyal and true friendship/romance. Stable foundations..is he close to your family, or vice versa?)

4:This card represents the Strengths of your relationship. These are the qualities that maintain the relationship. KNIGHT OF CUPS REVERSED http://tarotreadingpsychic.com/tarot-card-meanings-knight-of-cups-meaning/ 
(I could not retrieve the reversed picture)

(check my first reply )

5: This card represents the Weaknesses of your relationship. These are the issues that need to be addressed and explored within your relationship. SIX OF WANDS

Arrogance and pride, ego..both of you are proud ... Too much pride

6: This is the True Love card. This card identifies whether this relationship can be successful and fulfilling. It also highlights the areas that need to be addressed in order for your relationship to flourish. THE MAGICIAN REVERSED

Communication is weak. Need to communicate emotions and honest intentions with one another. Take action, do something..don't just think. Get up and do it (as in if you want to be with him, don't just say it..act!)

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posted August 23, 2012 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Empress, thank you for taking time to interpret the whole reading. (whole reading = Change of thread focus)

In this forum, I never know how much on the context of the question I should inform in the post :-)

So let's see - actually this is somebody I met many years ago, and spent a week, maybe 10 days together - it was supposed to be something casual, and that's what it was. So we both lived our lives separately since. We live in different countries. A couple of years later we spoke on the phone for maybe some weeks. Since then rarely exchanged a couple of superficial e-mails, and these contacts were initiated by me (the weak link !) :-) A couple of months ago he added me as his contact in an online social network, out of the blue, without any word, any message... men... Because this is so very unusual in his case, here I am, being weak :-) and spending our energy on this.

He is not close to my family.
What is the connection ? (I must study the card)
I am intrigued about the stable foundations. Perhaps despite the troubles when that short encounter ended, there is still a good level of acknowledgement, admiration, feelings, respect ?

I think this six of cups confirms I belong to his past.

I would like to be in a steady relationship, and I would consider other people and have recently been attracted to other people. Not so enthusiastic about a family though.

Pride = dead on (but I have worked on it :-)

I think it would be wiser, dignity-wise to not contact him. :-)

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posted August 23, 2012 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flowerpower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding the KNIGHT OF CUPS REVERSED in the STRENGTH position, well, both your interpretations sound better than mine :-) - and I think both apply to this case.

There are good feelings to be dealth with - and that perhaps could be communicated (magician).

SIX OF WANDS REVERSED in the WEAKNESSES position - Andstuff's input is valid, but I have no doubt about Empress' pride component. We need to watch out for the "pride invasion" in our responses to each other.

The lesson is I need to do my lesson and do more research and study the cards.

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