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Rosalind
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posted August 25, 2012 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have heard that the best system for horaries is Regiomontanus so I did the horary this way. Usually horaries don't have much effect on me but I said to give it a try.

Hope the chart is good. I offer tarot readings in exchange to ANYONE. Thank you very much.

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EmpressMendez
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posted August 25, 2012 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, this one is hard for me.

You are Venus and Moon and he is Mars and Sun.

It looks like you might already know this man. He is in the first house conjunct Saturn. Might be someone older.

I don't know if you are applying a square to him by 9 or a square to Uranus also by 9 in the 6th house (sorry, I'm so new. I can't tell which one is applying and which one is separating) =(

So depending which one is applying, then we can see something there.

What I can sort of see is that by 2 years you should be all set with the money. You will get it from other people (8th house Jupiter).

Some difficulties are shown but it's Jupiter. Maybe it's saying save up . But it will come from someone and not yourself.

Ruler of 2nd house in 1st house (Mars) maybe saying that you already might know this man. He seems older.

I am a beginner hopefully Anchi, or others more experienced will come help out .

If I can pick up more I will let you know. I haven't slept too well, need to rest my brain heheeh.

You probably met him 9 months ago, or will meet him in 9 months (if it's applying square 9 months and you will meet him, if it's separating then you met him already 9 months ago. You probably stopped talking to him or something upsetting happened between you since it's a square).

I will edit if I can pick up something else


Ohhh, also there is a great psychic that reads cowrie shells. She is great and if you are really really curious you should consult her. She's generous with time and money and she is amazing - she might be able to tell you for sure. I recommended her on the Psychic thread.

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posted August 25, 2012 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK Empress. Lets take everything you said by points.

1. The cards showed me that I may know him and that I may not.
2. I think too he is older.
3. I don't get it: So in 2 years I will receive the money from this man? The cards told me that I will meet soon this man and that he will help me financially to get to England until the end of this year. Can you explain what you meant to say?
4. Jupiter indeed is transiting my 8th house currently but I don't know what to say.
5. I don't recall meeting someone 9 months ago. Maybe I did but I don't remember. To be honest I have so many problems right now that is causing me memory loss.
6. I'm speechless by your interpretation. I know no old man, rich who might help me. I wait for Anchi's interpretation as well to see if it fits with yours.
7. Thanks a lot.

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posted August 25, 2012 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, sorry if it's confusing. Remember I'm a beginner .

Okay so ruler of the 8th house in 9th house Venus. Is Venus squaring Saturn applying or separating? I need to know this so I can see if that's the answer to when you will meet this man .

Can you tell if it's applying square to Saturn or applying square to Uranus??

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posted August 25, 2012 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Hey, sorry if it's confusing. Remember I'm a beginner .

Okay so ruler of the 8th house in 9th house Venus. Is Venus squaring Saturn applying or separating? I need to know this so I can see if that's the answer to when you will meet this man .

Can you tell if it's applying square to Saturn or applying square to Uranus??



I cannot answer you that because I have 0 experience with horaries. Dunno if its the same as in normal charts.

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posted August 25, 2012 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's the same . Okay, let's just wait for Anchi, lol. I need rest, I promise I will come with a fresh brain and try to see what I can get .

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posted August 25, 2012 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
It's the same . Okay, let's just wait for Anchi, lol. I need rest, I promise I will come with a fresh brain and try to see what I can get .


OK. Thank you.

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posted August 25, 2012 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rosalind,

I like excercising horaries, but I view them more as an exercise. I probably donīt REALLY believe in them.

Having said that I had some horary charts that were shockingly accurate, down to predicting the DAY, some event took place (Hera once interpreted one for me and it was so spot on. She is really good with that stuff).
However there were others which couldn`t have been further from the truth I guess.
Never heard any feedback on those.


Horary has a very firm set of rules, one needs to follow, so it is not exactly like a modern psychological interpretation of a natal chart. It is, quite medieval.

A horary chart is usually valid for the duration of about 3 months or until some change takes place.

You didn`t specify the nature of your relationship to this man so he is definitely given the 7th house (I tend to always pick the 7th house for the other anyway).

Your main significator is the traditional ruler of the 1st house:
Venus in Cancer

Your co-ruler is Moon (though Moon also rules the question itself and the course of events):
Moon in Sagittarius


Both planets are peregrine and probably not very well equipped to act in a way that a positive change of the situation could be made.


His main significator is Mars, as ruler of 7th house, in Scorpio. Mars is in rulerships, making him quite influental and powerful, but mainly interested in himself. Mars in Scorpio isnīt really all that tenderhearted towards MOon or Venus (these planets are in fall and detriment in Scorpio).

As a matter of fact you as Venus in Cancer has quite some mixed feelings concerning Mars and if he can help you. On the one hand Mars is in fall in Cancer, which gives some difficulties.
On the other hand Mars is received in triplicity and term, which though not as good as rulership and exaltation is a good reception.


His second significator is Sun in Virgo, peregrine, and in fall and triplicity of Venus, you - so again a mixed reception. I think this relates to a certain ambivalence on both sides.


Now for two people to meet we need to have an applying aspect between the significators, with no interference of other planets. And that is where the stumbling block is.

Venus and Mars do not make an applying aspect to each other in sign (which is what we want to see in a horary with clear positive outcome).

Moond doesn`t make any aspect to Mars either.

And there is no aspect between Sun and Venus.
All of this actually would imply that there will be no meeting for the duration of the horary chart, meaning in the next 3 months. Maybe after 3 months things would be different.


BUT - I am not totally certain about it- but I notice that his main significator, Mars, though being in Scorpio still is in YOUR house, which could be described as he is coming to you(r house), even though he is probably very absorbed in himself.

Anyway, maybe that is the connection that will be established?
Though honestly, if it were my horary chart, I would be quite doubtful if this is enough of positive testimony.

And since there is no applying aspect as far as I can see, I can`t give any timeframe, sorry.

But as I said, I donīt put too much stock into horary myself, even though I LOVE doing these charts.

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posted August 25, 2012 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Ceridwen.

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EmpressMendez
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posted August 25, 2012 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad someone could help.

To clarify: when I said "it's similar to a birth chart" what I meant was the aspects applying or separating (nothing else). Some people that read horaries choose to only include personal planets, while others do it differently.


I couldn't see whether venus was applying to uranus, or mars (since they are both 9..one is s the other is a..can't see which is which), but glad someone cleared it up for you

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posted August 26, 2012 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bumping this for Anchi.

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posted August 27, 2012 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bumping again

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posted August 27, 2012 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who is he exactly.. A total stranger or some one from the net .

Also is h5 ruled my aqua or pisces
H11 is it ruled my leo or virgo?
It's right on the cusp so hard to tell..

If your asking abt a lover...
He is mars in your first conjunct saturn..
Saturn rules his h10...
I'm thinking a delay for now.. Maybe due to his career..
But I would like to know the h5/11 rulers..

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posted August 27, 2012 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Who is he exactly.. A total stranger or some one from the net .

Also is h5 ruled my aqua or pisces
H11 is it ruled my leo or virgo?
It's right on the cusp so hard to tell..

If your asking abt a lover...
He is mars in your first conjunct saturn..
Saturn rules his h10...
I'm thinking a delay for now.. Maybe due to his career..
But I would like to know the h5/11 rulers..


Lioness, no offence but I find your post rude and superficial. If you didnt mean to help, you shouldnt post anyway.

I take in serious my work on this forum, I never played with anyone desperation here and I expect the same. To me, its very important the answer of this horary chart so if you are willing to help, I will be grateful. If not, please, ignore my topics.

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posted August 27, 2012 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your tripping..

I was asking questions so I could try to read it..
I can't tell what the rulers are..
I asked who he is, so I know what house to look for as him..

But no reason for me to waste my time now..

See u try to help people and they just snap for no reason..

Geez... I won't bother trying anymore!!!

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posted August 27, 2012 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Your tripping..

I was asking questions so I could try to read it..
I can't tell what the rulers are..
I asked who he is, so I know what house to look for as him..

But no reason for me to waste my time now..

See u try to help people and they just snap for no reason..

Geez... I won't bother trying anymore!!!


I already said I have no idea who the man is. Wasnt that obvious?

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posted August 27, 2012 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I already said I have no idea who the man is. Wasnt that obvious?


Nope!!! In horary who " he" is, is very important.. It makes a big difference in the readings, cuz depending on who he is, is what house u look for.. Just cuz u never met him, doesn't explain who he is..
A brother, family member, lover etc..
I was only asking for clarity.. Also if this is some one u spoken to but haven't meet can make a difference in the reading.. So again I asked for clarity...
For the record the more info u give the more accurate the reading will be.

Obviously that was a mistake for trying to help..


My post never have ill intentions nor do I play childish games... I was being sincere with tyring to read the chart.....

I will no longer waste any more of my time in this thread...

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posted August 27, 2012 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Nope!!! In horary who " he" is, is very important.. It makes a big difference in the readings, cuz depending on who he is, is what house u look for..


Lioness,

if the quesited is not named by their "relationship" to the querent, but is to referred by name or "he/she" only, the 7th house is being used by default.

If however the querent asks about their brother/parents/husband/boyfriend/friend, the appropriate house is used (11th for friend for example).

In the case of questions like: "Does my crush like me back?"
I ahve read different opinions on this.
Some people ALWAYS use the 7th house as it is the OTHER (no matter what kind of relationship there is); others say to use the 5th house for non-committed relationships or crushes.

Personally I tend to prefer the 7th house, but keep an eye on 5th house in these questions; usually one house and its rulers will describe the quesited better.


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posted August 27, 2012 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Thank you Ceridwen.

You`re welcome.

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posted September 12, 2012 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I was looking back through the readings and I saw this one, it stood out because it had horary in the title of the thread and then I saw it was your thread Rosalind.

As far as your triple moon dream goes, you already knew about Regiomontanus, that's so cool, I like it when the indications are valid. I don't do horary and had never heard of him or the asteroid. I only felt it was likely to do with horary when I googled Regiomontanus, and it had the right feel that horary was important.

I hadn't seen this thread before, I saw another thread where you said you didn't think horary worked for you, so it surprised me to see that you seem to have a greater interest in horary then I thought.

You haven't replied to the other thread though on what I posted, I take it the reason would be either:

i offended you for some reason in the post
or I offended you previously and it still offends you,
or I was totally off the mark, is it that I am way off with where your moon is at, or have you associated the liliths with the triple moon stuff in another thread?
or maybe you just didn't see my postings, or was not bothered to reply, or you just thought it rubbish or something,
I'm not offended that you didn't reply, that's not unusual as a response to me, but I do wonder what your thoughts are on what I posted and the Regiomontanus reference.

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