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Venus
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posted September 23, 2012 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im a libra sun and mars, saturn is finally leaving libra on the 5th, and going into scorpio. should i be happy, the past years have been very tiresome and wriggled with pain and stress and loss. but i have many personal planets in scorpio, moon, venus and even pluto. so what should i expect with the new saturn phase???

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posted September 24, 2012 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since the Saturn is in the mutual reception with Pluto,once it enters Scorpio,the circumstances won't be as harsh - you won't react as harshly; a change on more impersonal level,which you'll be more in tune with. Whatever Saturn/Pluto brings on global scale,that set of changes will resonate positively with you,as if the surrounding are listening to your inner tides "now,these are the time I love/wish to live in"
(Saturn hoovering over your personal planets,and interacting with Pluto at the same time,will put you close to the happenings)
tSaturn in conjunction will bring what it usually brings,commitment,maturity,perfecting through oppressing circumstances (imagine muscle building,you can't do much in sports,if your body isn't strong), burdens that may push you against the wall,but also push you forward.
Saturn/Venus,being in Scorpio,could bring interesting twists regarding sexuality,like willing abstinence,your Venus becomes more discriminating,and these are the times when you go by I know what I don't want,you are very sensitive to crude romantic expressions,and generally you'll dislike lukewarm sentiments so much,that you'll will distance yourself and therefore your Venus will be cold. On the other hand,the relations (in general,not only love) which endure this,are likely to stay for lifetime.

Moon/Saturn - heart is so tender,that it becomes a shell,and that shell fossilizes. It gathers all the dark feelings,and after a while in the dark,you start to recognize the shapes,and later,you know how to move along in order to get to the light,and that dark spot will serve you as a compass later in life. A sad child,very lonely,in need of growing up. It is quite possible you'll find yourself browsing through childhood memories,and re-living them,but,unlike that child who hid their pain deep in heart,this time you'll want to make that child speak up,and just release everything (scars do fade) that had been poisoning that innocent child.(regardless of the circumstances,kids,by being kids,are always on the suffering side,because they are small and tender,and soak up everything)

As for the Saturn/Pluto I found this it to be interesting food for thought.

And from astro.com,by Liz Greene

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You are likely to feel inexplicably uneasy at this time, as though the world were full of people intent on thwarting you or obstructing your future plans and goals. What is really happening is that a deep-rooted instinct for survival is being activated in you, along with a sense that it is time for your life to change radically. The ending of a chapter of life, and the beginning of a new one, inevitably mobilises those basic instincts to ensure one's survival during the period of change. The problem is that you are probably also experiencing fear - that the future will not work out, that others will block or humiliate you, that everything will go wrong. It is these fearful feelings which may make you experience others as unhelpful or downright aggressive. Try to recognise how your own suspicions may trigger others into defensive behaviour. If you react without reflection because of your anxieties and forebodings, you may aggressively, although inadvertently, push or bully others so that they retaliate and do indeed try to thwart you. During this time you could discover a surprising source of strength, tenacity and instinctive wisdom within yourself. You might never have realised how much of a survivor you can be if cornered. In spheres of your life concerned with security and material stability, you have - willingly or unwillingly - had to learn to go your own way without relying on others' support. Now you are being asked once more to find your own path from the past into the future. Others might not be unhelpful; loved ones may offer their support; but something within you may not want their help. You may need to discover what you truly are and want from an understanding of your own emotional needs, not from the advice others give you about the 'right' way to live and be. This could be a lonely and anxiety-ridden process, which is not easy for anyone. A willingness to look at your life more seriously, and to try to understand more about the psychological issues which have shaped you in the past, can be of great help on the journey you are presently undertaking. Periods of transformation such as this one are not inevitably reflected in an external crisis or upheaval. Or one might encounter or be drawn to people who reflect with strange accuracy the feelings and attitudes one carries within oneself. At the moment 'survivors' - individuals whom life has battered but who have somehow managed to struggle on undefeated - may be particularly attractive to you. On the emotional level you are likely to feel uncertain, more negative than usual, and mistrustful not only of others but also of yourself and your capacity to navigate rough currents. In fact you are quite able to handle whatever situations arise right now -but you must listen to your instincts, and understand yourself better, rather than relying either on rational answers or the easy black-and-white formulae of the collective. You may discover a source of wisdom and power within yourself which could affect all your future actions and allow you to achieve greater psychological independence. You may also be within reach of material or professional goals which you have worked long and hard to achieve, but which may in themselves seem somehow threatening because success may isolate you from others whom you have left behind. Try to let go of whatever in your past has been outgrown. You are carrying excess baggage which you are better off relinquishing.

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posted September 25, 2012 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks VdS, i guess it's not all fun and sunshine with Saturn.

does Saturn have a different effect on me since i have many planets in Cap, also it's my first house.

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posted September 25, 2012 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No fun&sunshine at all! Only reaping - if you've been working,you should be awarded.

If Saturn is strong in your chart,I suspect you'll have an easier ride,being under tight Saturn's tutelage from the birth and the sextiles that tSaturn will be making to your Cap planets will facilitate the situation.

I have strong Saturn,3rd strongest planet,and I had really good time under tSaturn over Asc. Even when Saturn in Libra was squaring Venus (chart ruler) and Moon (2nd strongest planet) I wasn't distressed - yes,I definitely felt the change,quite apparent in acting,but nothing fundamentally disruptive - felt really nice and the transition into more mature and authority-wielding person that I strive to be - in charge of your own life - came rather naturally.

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