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LishXO
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posted November 09, 2012 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LishXO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Super interesting situation that I don't know what to do with...
I would like a reading of any kind that deems appropriate with this question:

Is this “opportunity” that has come up legitimate or a money grab?

Tarot or Natal chart reading please?? I need PLAIN INSIGHT!!

Here is the situation; I got on with a Talent Agency in my city that shoots commercials, extra roles, voice overs, etc. etc. It cost me $175 to sign up and they get 15% commission. That’s typical I assume. HOWEVER, the girl who runs the company has contacted me and told me I have a great “look” and wants me to spend $500 to do this 3 day (12 hour) course for on-camera roles (commercials mainly). I HAVE to do this in order for them to allow me to go to these Auditions…

I have always been skeptical and negative! I am modest and I know I’m pretty, so I’m struggling with the question as to whether this is a money grab or if it is legit.

Here is my chart:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_01_er_a_hp.20864.19683.gif&res=63&va=&cid=gyzfilegLrSYn-u1352181318

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beccathelion
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posted November 09, 2012 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beccathelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LishXO:
Super interesting situation that I don't know what to do with...
I would like a reading of any kind that deems appropriate with this question:

Is this “opportunity” that has come up legitimate or a money grab?

Tarot or Natal chart reading please?? I need PLAIN INSIGHT!!

Here is the situation; I got on with a Talent Agency in my city that shoots commercials, extra roles, voice overs, etc. etc. It cost me $175 to sign up and they get 15% commission. That’s typical I assume. HOWEVER, the girl who runs the company has contacted me and told me I have a great “look” and wants me to spend $500 to do this 3 day (12 hour) course for on-camera roles (commercials mainly). I HAVE to do this in order for them to allow me to go to these Auditions…

I have always been skeptical and negative! I am modest and I know I’m pretty, so I’m struggling with the question as to whether this is a money grab or if it is legit.

Here is my chart:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif= astro_w2gw_01_er_a_hp.20864.19683.gif&res=63&va=&cid=gyzfilegLrSYn-u1352181318



I mean, I think you'd need to set up a chart for the question at hand, not post your natal chart. that way someone could do a horary reading. If it were me personally, I would contact the Better Business Bureau, and if they come back saying it's legit, go for it. At least it'll be an experience.

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LishXO
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posted November 09, 2012 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LishXO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by beccathelion:

I mean, I think you'd need to set up a chart for the question at hand, not post your natal chart. that way someone could do a horary reading. If it were me personally, I would contact the Better Business Bureau, and if they come back saying it's legit, go for it. At least it'll be an experience.

Maybe a Tarot card reading then? How do I set up a chart fr the question at hand? Putting in the time and date that the lady contacted me with the proposition??

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Haplesschild*
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posted November 09, 2012 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard about things like this, it's a scam sorry.
If it's a genuine talent or model scout they don't usually charge you beforehand, all these expenses are a huge red flag. Stay away from them.

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Lioness
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posted November 09, 2012 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Haplesschild*:
I heard about things like this, it's a scam sorry.
If it's a genuine talent or model scout they don't usually charge you beforehand, all these expenses are a huge red flag. Stay away from them.

I completely and totally agree..

I would do a lot of research on this company.
Check bbb, internet searches, scam searches...
Don't use their recommendations...


Sounds very fishy... You have to pay to go on auditions?????
They are supposly charging u to tell you when and where the locations of the audtions...
You can Find this info.for free.
Internet, mag... Etc...
They don't have any special connections
Be extra cautious..

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LishXO
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posted November 09, 2012 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LishXO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the insights.

This is a legitimate Agency though. Office downtown, portfolio's and they do work on sets and whatever… I’m not worried that they are a TOTAL scam- the Agency as a whole is real and I don’t question that if I pay I WILL go do this class but I’m worried that they are interested in pretty much ANYONE who will pay, and not just the ones they think will do good… She specifically said to me “we don’t contact just anyone but you have the look” and I want to make sure that that statement is true I guess… I'm a negative, skeptial, modest Capricorn! *My moon is in LEO***** See my delima? lol

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Haplesschild*
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posted November 09, 2012 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah but some scams are pretty convincing and 'big' so the whole having an office means nothing.

I know people that have been scouted in the past, they don't ask you to pay anything lol and OF COURSE they're going to say 'we don't just ask anyone, we like your look' - that's how they hook you in.

Don't get ripped off. Run.

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Lioness
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posted November 10, 2012 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hon... Its A scam.. Im sure they are "real" they tell you where auditions are at. But thats as far as it goes.. Being real doesnt mean they have your best interest.

Do research call the most reputable agency and ask them if they EVER charge up front...
First its 50.00 then 500.00 then 1000.. for more leads, and so on..

http://www.affinitytalent.com/faq.html#legit

Legitimate Agencies

No legitimate, state licensed talent agency ever charges any up-front or mandatory fees to models or actors. AFFINITY does not charge any fees for representation.

Agencies can charge the following however: cost of reproducing materials for the model, the cost of any advances paid out to the model or advances for the models marketing materials (comp cards, web pages, etc). These charges must be approved in advance by the model or actor. It is not mandatory that the actor/model purchase composite cards or webpages in order to be represented by the agency.
http://www.entertainmentcareers.net/data/bbb_talent.asp
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from Better Business Bureau.

Talent/Modeling Agencies
Copyright © Council of Better Business Bureaus. All rights reserved.

Do you think you have what it takes to be a model or actor? Many unscrupulous talent and modeling agencies will lead you to believe so. However, far too often, consumers are victimized by fraudulent agencies promising money, exposure and stardom.

There are ethical and legitimate talent and modeling agencies in the entertainment business. Before becoming involved with an agency, know exactly what they should be doing for you. An agency should be engaged in the marketing and booking of talent. Usually a state license is required to book work for a fee. The agent's role is to promote the talent who has contracted for their marketing services, negotiate the most favorable contract for the talent and collect a commission from the talent. You should interview your agent as thoroughly as you would interview your doctor, lawyer, or CPA. Remember, the agent will be working for you, not vice versa. Carefully review your contract with your agent. This is your agreement regarding what the agent will do to earn the commission you pay.

To help you detect fraudulent opportunities, the Better Business Bureau warns that disreputable agencies often:

Ask for up-front money, which may be called "registration," "consultation," or "administrative" fees. Legitimate agents work on a commission. They don't get any money until you get paid for doing the work they have obtained for you.

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From the government http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/products/pro23.shtm

If You've Got The Look, Look Out! Avoiding Modeling Scams
What could be more flattering? Someone approaches you at the mall and says, "You could be a model. You've got the 'look' we're after. Here's my card. Give me a call to set up an appointment." People have always said you're good looking. Now, visions of glamour, travel and money flash before your eyes.

It's true that some successful models have been discovered in everyday places like malls, boutiques, clubs, and airports. But the vast majority of would-be models knock on door after agency door before work comes their way.

It's All an Act

If and when you make that follow-up appointment, you'll probably find yourself in an office filled with lots of other model and actor hopefuls. Then the spiel starts. What you thought was a job interview with a talent agency turns into a high-pressure sales pitch for modeling or acting classes, or for "screen tests" or "photo shoots" that can range in price from several hundred to several thousand dollars.

Man, woman, or child — it makes no difference to bogus model and talent scouts. Often, these scouts are after one thing — your money — and will say just about anything to get it. But what they say isn't always what they mean.

What They Say vs. What They Mean

Unscrupulous model and talent scouts have their acts down pat. Listen carefully to read between their lines.

"We're scouting for people with your 'look' to model and act."
I need to sign up as many people as possible. My commission depends on it.
"Your deposit is totally refundable."
Your deposit is refundable only if you meet very strict refund conditions.
"You must be specially selected for our program. Our talent experts will carefully evaluate your chances at success in the field and will only accept a few people into our program."
We take almost everyone.
"There's a guaranteed refund if you're not accepted into the program."
Everyone's accepted into the program. Forget the refund.
"You can't afford our fees? No problem. You can work them off with the high-paying jobs we'll get you."
We demand payment, whether or not you get work.
"Commissions from our clients are our major source of income."
Our income comes from the fees we charge you.
Pose-itioning Yourself

To break into the business, you — the talent — need professional photos. There are two types of standard photographs — a "head shot" and a "composite card."

The typical marketing tool for an actor, experienced or not, the head shot usually is an 8" x 10" black and white photo of the face, with your resume printed on the back.
A "comp card," the typical marketing tool for the experienced model or the wannabe, usually features several shots on the same sheet, showing off the talent in different attire or settings.
Agencies and schools offer separate and distinct services. Make sure you know the difference.

Modeling (or talent) agencies secure employment for experienced models and actors. Some agents require that you sign up exclusively with them; others may allow you to register with them as well as with other agencies in town.
Modeling and acting schools claim to provide instruction — for a fee — in poise, posture, diction, skin care, make-up application, the proper walk, and more. Modeling schools do not necessarily act as agents or find work for you — after you take their classes, you may be on your own.
Talent Tips:

Steer clear of modeling companies that require you to use a specific photographer. Compare fees and the work quality of several photographers.
Be suspicious if a company requires an up-front fee to serve as your agent.
Be cautious if the school has a special referral relationship with a specific modeling agency. The two could be splitting your fees, or the agency may not be suited to your needs.
Avoiding a Model Rip-Off

Ask yourself, "why me?" Don't let your emotions — and the company's flattery — take control. Think carefully and critically about how you were approached: if it was in a crowded mall, think how many others also may have been approached.
Avoid high-pressure sales tactics. Never sign a document without reading and understanding it first. In fact, ask for a blank copy of the contract to take home and review with someone you trust. If the company refuses, walk away.
Be leery of companies that only accept payment in cash or by money order. Read it as a strong signal that the company is more interested in your money than your career.
Be wary of claims about high salaries. Successful models in small markets can earn $75 to $150 an hour, but the work is irregular.
Ask for the names, addresses and phone numbers of models and actors who have secured successful work — recently — based on the company's training.
Check out client claims. If an agency says it has placed models and actors in specific jobs, contact the companies to verify that they've hired models and actors from the agency.
Be skeptical of local companies claiming to be the "biggest" agency or a "major player" in the industry, especially if you live in a smaller city or town.
Realize that different parts of the country have different needs. For example, New York is recognized for fashion modeling; the Washington/Baltimore area is known for industrial or training films.
Ask if the company/school is licensed or bonded, if that's required by your state. Verify this information with the appropriate authorities, such as your local consumer protection agency or state Attorney General. Make sure the license is current.
Ask your local Better Business Bureau, consumer protection agency and state Attorney General if there are any unresolved consumer complaints on file about the company.
Get everything in writing, including any promises that have been made orally.
Keep copies of all important papers, such as your contract and company literature, in a safe place.
You've Got the Cutest Little Baby Face

A special word to parents of infants and toddlers

Think your child is model material? Bogus talents scouts do. And they'll gladly set up a professional photo shoot to allegedly help you get modeling and acting jobs for your tyke. Of course, they don't tell you that the market for infant models and actors is very small. What's more, because an infant's looks change quickly, the photos become outdated. In truth, few infants are marketed with professional photos. Legitimate agents, advertising agencies, casting directors and producers generally ask for casual snapshots of infants that have been taken by family members or friends.

Where to Complain

If you've think you've been scammed by a bogus model or talent scout, contact your local consumer protection agency, state Attorney General, or Better Business Bureau. They're in your local directory assistance.

The FTC works to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint or get free information on consumer issues, visit ftc.gov or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. Watch a video, How to File a Complaint, at ftc.gov/video to learn more. The FTC enters consumer complaints into the Consumer Sentinel Network, a secure online database and investigative tool used by hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.
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BTW.. I have a Leo Stellium Sun,moon,Merc,Mars

Do some research.

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Lioness
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posted November 10, 2012 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres a ton on the net.
http://losangelesheadshots.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/top-ten-ways-to-tell-if-an-agency-is-a-scam/


Top Ten Ways to Tell if a Talent Agency is a Scam
Posted on January 19, 2011 | Leave a comment
How do I know if my talent agency is a scam?

You’ve been approached by a talent or modeling agent who wants you to sign with them. This could be the start of a dream come true or it could be the start of a nightmare. There are a disturbing number of “agents” and “managers” out there who are just trying to take your money. Before you enter into any kind of agreement with an agency you need to adequately vet them to make sure they are legit. Here are a few warning signs that you may be dealing with a scam agency.

Top Ten Ways to Spot a Scam Agency

They ask for money up front. FOR ANYTHING. This cannot be repeated enough. No matter what reason they give you, DON’T. Even if it sounds legit, DON’T. If they won’t represent you, count your lucky stars you didn’t sign anything and walk out the door. Agents make their money by taking a commission WHEN YOU BOOK A JOB. If you don’t make money, THEY don’t make money.
They require you to take pictures with their in house photographer. Actors are expected to pay for their own headshots (it works a little differently in the modeling world) but you should never feel pressured into working with “their” photographer or makeup artist or web designer. Most agencies have numerous photographers they recommend but the decision is up to the actor. Your agent should certainly never be the one behind the camera. Run.
They demand money to be listed on their website or in their “book.” This just isn’t how the industry works. Real agents and managers submit your headshot and resume through breakdown services. If they have a website or “book” it’s a supplement to that and shouldn’t cost you a penny to be in.
They charge you to attend a class, seminar or workshop. Your agent is not your acting coach and they can recommend classes but you shouldn’t be paying them for their advice. If they offer it for free, great, but they shouldn’t be taking your money.
They advertise themselves in internet ads or the newspaper classified section. Legit agents and managers rarely need to go out looking for new talent– the talent finds them. They are regularly inundated with headshots and resumes as well as professional recommendations. If they are spending money to advertise to actors they may be looking to make money off of them, rather than with them.
They claim to represent famous actors or models that they do not. Cross reference their claims against the internet movie database for PROFESSIONALS (www.imdbpro.com). Pro members can not only look up the contact information for most every reputable agency in New York and LA, they can also see their CLIENT LIST! If an agent claims to represent someone that they do not then they are not someone you want to associate with professionally. This is also a great resource when deciding between prospective legit agencies.
They guarantee you work. There are no guarantees in this business and not even the top agents or managers can promise you work.
They do not work out of their own office space. If the agency can’t afford to rent a space they probably aren’t making much money from their client’s work. This is not a hard and fast rule but if you are meeting someone at a studio rented for the day you should have your guard up. Of course, if they are a very successful scam agency they may have their own offices as well.
There have been complaints filed against them with the Better Business Bureau. Call your local office and see if there is any information about them.
They are not franchised with Actors Equity or SAG. In Los Angeles or New York City, if an agent is not representing union actors, chances are good they aren’t making their money by securing their clients work.
It can be difficult to spot a scam, even if you are familiar with the warning signs. These people are pros and can adjust their con job to whoever they are talking to. They can impersonate a real agent perfectly for weeks, maybe even get you an appointment or two (real or fake), and then go in for your cash. It isn’t always cut and dry– they could be representing you AND taking advantage of you. I don’t think it pays to be paranoid but if something feels off– it usually is.

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LishXO
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posted November 10, 2012 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LishXO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. Thank you guys! I understand. Definitely NOT going through with it... Ugh, I've already given them money just to sign up.

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