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Sorcha
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posted December 10, 2012 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met someone over a year ago and the relationship (if you can call it that) has not gone anywhere. There is an enormous amount of sexual chemistry but I can't say that I trust him.

I don't want to cloud anything with my rambling thoughts so I won't say too much more for now. I would be really curious to hear people's opinions about either the synastry or the composite. I'm trying to figure out what my intuition is telling me but I can't seem to decipher if the voice in my head is rational or fear-based.

Thanks!

Synastry - I'm on the inside, he's on the outside:

Composite:

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Sorcha
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posted December 11, 2012 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still hoping for some thoughts since I find reading my own charts somewhat of a challenge at times. Also, i feel I have very little perspective with this person.

Something that I will also mention is that we have a ton of double whammies between us.

For example, Major aspects only:

Sun trine Jupiter DW
Venus trine Jupiter DW

Moon trine Venus
Moon quincunx Venus

Jupiter square Mercury
Jupiter quincunx Mercury

Saturn sextile Moon
Saturn trine Moon

Pluto trine ASC
Pluto sextile ASC

Neptune trine ASC
Neptune oppose ASC

Moon square ASC
Moon oppose ASC

Major and Minor aspects:

Mars conjunct Pluto
Mars semi-square Pluto

Uranus square ASC
Uranus biQuintile ASC

Mars sextile Uranus
Mars semi-sextile Uranus

Sun square Venus
Sun quintile Venus

Pluto sextile Moon
Pluto biQuintile Moon

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posted December 11, 2012 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
imo there is nothing in the synastry chart that looks romantic or emotional between you and this other person. the sun/pluto connection could lead to some longing on the part of the pluto person, but other than that it doesn't strike me as being any type of relationship. there are no major connections between the significant planets and personally, i think those have to be in place before one starts to look at asteroids and outer planets.

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posted December 12, 2012 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post both natals?

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posted December 12, 2012 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't agree star moon, their asc conjuncting ic so tightly indicates a very important connection, and the guy's moon is in the girl's 7th house near the desc- that's one of the most important aspects.

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posted December 12, 2012 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
copy and paste the compatibility for lovers sample report from grupovenus.com


thanks!

just without reading the synastry (since i kinda cant do synastry wheel thingies) you have a love stellium with moon sesquiquadrate pluto and venus sextile pluto....very bonded relationship! congrats!

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posted December 12, 2012 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i guess we all look at different things. the asc and ic aren't planets so i don't give any weight to those, the same with house overlays. just my opinions of course, but if you don't have any basic compatibility between signs (as they really don't), then where will the lasting empathy and understanding come from? they might end up in a relationship based on asc./houses but it won't last because basic connections aren't there, imo. chart reading is a learning process for me too

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posted December 12, 2012 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Angles conjuncting are one of the most important aspects. Google it . It holds more weight than sun conjunct mercury or Venus for example, as their angles are so close, it's not something that happens alot, pretty rarely actually.

Also, their mercuries trine by sign, so there will be understanding and sun and venus sextiles the other planets in Virgo (by sign) as well. I also like how there's a pretty close trine of moon and Venus, that's a sweet aspect too.

I've had moon conjunct descendant (tight) twice with two exes and it actually creates alot of understanding.
In fact if you go on cafe astrology aspect Compatibility factor points list, it's a 4.

So yes, they definitely have romantic and friendship indications. Will they last decades? Probably not, but they'll always remain bonded.

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posted December 12, 2012 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Haplesschild*:
Angles conjuncting are one of the most important aspects.


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posted December 12, 2012 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Can you post both natals?

Sure

Me:

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Him:

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posted December 12, 2012 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starmoon and Hapless Child, Your conversation is sort of what has been going on in my head - LOL. I've been back and forth examining those same ideas and still have not come to any conclusion myself.

What do each of you make of all the double whammies, btw? (if anything)

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posted December 12, 2012 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
copy and paste the compatibility for lovers sample report from grupovenus.com


thanks!

just without reading the synastry (since i kinda cant do synastry wheel thingies) you have a love stellium with moon sesquiquadrate pluto and venus sextile pluto....very bonded relationship! congrats!


Do you mean copy and paste Chapters 1 and 2? I'll post them and then just let me know if this is what you are looking for. Also, as far as the composite is concerned I feel like it hasn't taken effect yet, if that makes sense...

Chapter 1
A Comparison of Temperaments and Life Styles
that Affect Your Ability to Harmonize with Each Other

Sorcha's Sun in Cancer and Mm's Sun in Virgo

Both of you are inclined to mood changes that, at times, can irritate each other. For example, Sorcha experiences periods of melancholy, tenderness, concern, worry, nostalgia and sentimentality, which Mm may not understand or sympathize with. Mm can suddenly become irritated and irascible over minor annoyances, and at such times, is capable of intense sarcasm and criticism, which can be extremely disconcerting to Sorcha's tender, sensitive feelings. Mm must be prudent, and Sorcha must strive to be forgiving when things go a little awry. However, you are both capable of enormous devotion to one another (and to your children if you have them), and taking care of one another comes naturally to you.


Sorcha's Moon in Taurus and Mm's Moon in Saggitarius

You have very different, and often conflicting, emotional needs and yearnings. Mm is expansive, craves adventure, and wants to be where the energy and action is. Mm's curiosity and quest for growth, knowledge, or new experiences creates a strong urge for travel or changes in residence. Sorcha, on the other hand, is very attached to the familiar, and prefers a steady routine, domestic peace and stability. Sorcha is very slow and resistant to changes in home life or personal relationships, and may feel threatened by Mm's restlessness.

Also, Mm is an idealist with great hopes and plans for the future, while Sorcha lives primarily in the present and is more involved with immediate, tangible concerns. Mm may feel that Sorcha doesn't understand or appreciate Mm's dreams, and that Sorcha stifles Mm's enthusiasm with an insistence on realism and practicality.

Sorcha may feel that Mm lives in an unreal world, ignores the facts at hand, and leaves Sorcha to take care of the work and business of day to day life.

However, you both have an essentially generous, live-and- let-live attitude which may enable you to overlook the differences between you.


Chapter 2
Major Themes in the Relationship: What Brought You Together

Sorcha's Ascendant opposition Mm's Moon orb 2° 34'

Although your tastes and preferences are often completely opposite from each other, you love and admire each other very deeply. There is almost a maternal tenderness that you feel for each other, and the warm sympathy and caring that you feel for each other fosters a close and lasting relationship. There is a 'soul kinship' between you.


Sorcha's Moon trine Mm's Venus orb 2° 48'

There is a particularly sweet, loving, caring quality to your relationship that both of you may tend to take for granted. Others, who lack this quality in their own relationship, do notice it and may enjoy the kindness and devotion you have for each other. You both find it easy to give freely to each other.


Sorcha's Mercury square Mm's Jupiter orb 0° 8'

This relationship has a marked effect on the overall attitudes and beliefs of both of you, but particularly of Sorcha. You challenge each other's religious, political, and philosophical beliefs. You may experience differences of opinion that are difficult to reconcile. You are also inclined to take risks together and speculate, sometimes foolishly.


Sorcha's Venus square Mm's Mars orb 2° 7'

This is likely to be a stormy and fiery relationship. The romantic attraction between you is very strong, but your feelings are often not in tune with each other. One of you (typically Mm but sometimes Sorcha) may feel sexually aroused by the other and consequently be too aggressive in approach, while the other person feels great love and affection, but is not feeling as sexually attracted. Jealousy and possessiveness are also likely. Feelings can swing back and forth and you may not realize how much you love each other until you are away from each other.


Sorcha's Venus square Mm's Pluto orb 2° 58'

Although sexual magnetism between you is very intense, you both may be somewhat uncomfortable by the overwhelming feelings or obsessive quality that you engender in one another. Even if you are repulsed or disinclined to become close to one another, there seems to be an irresistible attraction bringing you together. Power struggles, emotional or sexual manipulation, and disruptive jealousy may be problems you encounter in this relationship. Whatever develops, this relationship will touch your depths and change you profoundly.


Sorcha's Mars sextile Mm's Mercury orb 0° 1'

Your conversations are invariably stimulating and challenging. You share ideas openly and candidly with each other, but fortunately are able to do so without insulting or attacking each other. You can work together very effectively in research, writing, and business pursuits. You work together very effectively in developing and implementing ideas in virtually any area of mutual interest.


Sorcha's Saturn trine Mm's Moon orb 2° 36'

There is a mature, stable, responsible tone to your relationship that makes you feel secure with each other. There is a great deal of trust and respect for each other. As you spend more time together, you will find that your tastes, priorities, and sense of what is really important in life becomes very compatible. If you marry and have children, you will work together well as parents, especially when difficulties and 'minor crises' arise.


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posted December 13, 2012 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ll be coming back to this. Jsut give me some time.

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posted December 13, 2012 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The composite takes no delay in showing its effects. it is felt right away just like synastry.

You have a love stellium (sun-venus-mercury) with sun and mercury opposite moon, sun, mercury and venus trine neptune, moon sesquiquadrate pluto and venus sextile pluto. that shows a transforming relationship that will touch your depths whether u want it or are expecting it to or not.

The synastry makes sure there will be strong feelings with venus sq pluto

because venus is square uranus in composite, there are delays in coming together and staying together. who knows if there'll ever be commitment. The description for this aspect is:

"There can be tremendous ups and downs in your relationship, as you seem to swing from exciting closeness to emotional distance. In fact, it might seem that when one partner is feeling needy, the other partner either bolts or isn't around. You might feel that you are separated at key moments, or that one or both of you need periodic breaks from each other in order to keep the excitement alive. The expression "familiarity breeds contempt" is especially applicable. The relationship itself might cause waves or disruptions in others' lives. Attempts to hold on too tightly to one another will backfire. You might find that your relationship is stronger when you allow one another individual freedoms, but if the uncertainty of such a relationship truly upsets you, or you tire of constantly trying to reinvent romantic excitement, you might decide to look for a more reliable and predictable relationship."

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posted December 13, 2012 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Starmoon and Hapless Child, Your conversation is sort of what has been going on in my head - LOL. I've been back and forth examining those same ideas and still have not come to any conclusion myself.

What do each of you make of all the double whammies, btw? (if anything)


i don't see anything wrong with what hapless or anyone else says .. they are right in that angles are important for bringing people together in a profound way. i suppose astrology is like any other science though - people look at different things and then specialize and come to various conclusions. for me, when i look at the chart and see DWs and angles, it does signify a profound relationship. but, i always take it from the perspective of 'is this couple going to last/get married?' i ask myself the ultimate question of marriage when i look at a synsatry chart and not just 'will this relationship be important.' because, quite frankly, any relationship can be important, even one with bad synastry and composite. so, there are other things i look for that would indicate (to me) marriage. anyway, the DWs to me anyway, are not strong enough ties. i would like to have seen your venus/moon the same sign with this guy or maybe mars/moon in the same sign. that very basic similarity, imo, are what you need for the guy to really be into you. can he be into you with angles and DWs alone? of course! will it become permanent? imo, no. i actually have the same placements as your guy (with the exception of moon)

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posted December 13, 2012 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the replies

Ceridwen, No problem If you have time at some point I would love to hear what you have to say.

RAS, It's funny because normally I do feel the composite right away, but in this instance I don't. As for Venus square Pluto, I have that natally and so I pretty much have it with anyone born remotely close to me in age. I guess my destiny is to keep re-experiencing that aspect. But perhaps that Venus/Uranus is the real culprit since it feels like we have not moved past that experience - so maybe that's why the rest of the composite feels far away to me?

starmoon, I see what you're saying in terms of looking for more traditional aspects. In this case, I am not concerned about marriage at all. In fact, I don't think I will ever get married. (Not in the cards for me, I don't think.) This is a new experience for me in that usually when I meet someone, it either moves forward or it doesn't. There is no lollygagging around for an entire year, which is what I have found so odd and confusing about this. Generally, I immediately understand why I've met someone and where it's going and that's where it goes. In this case, it's the exact opposite - so many weird barriers. You might be right that there is a basic similarity that is missing here. I am definitely used to easier aspects involving Mars and Moon, though hard Venus aspects in synastry are the norm for me.

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posted December 14, 2012 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right. yes, i have venus/pluto natally so have it with everyone too. but i feel its activated with them whenever you meet someone you like. so even if u have it with everyone, u will feel it if u like them, and if other factors in ur compatibility with them show a similar pattern of intense feelings with hot/cold games. yes imo venus sq uranus is the reason why. the description for it matches what's going on perfectly :/

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posted December 14, 2012 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RAS, Yes, about the Venus square Pluto, that's true enough. I definitely feel it regardless and I suppose it really comes in to focus when I like someone. And the Uranus is probably even more crucial in these charts since it is the ruler of his 7th. I can be pretty Uranian, but not in relationships as much.

Edited to add: Venus in comp is a 10 degree orb from Uranus. In your experience with comp charts, do you find people still feel an orb that large that isn't related to Sun or Moon? For me, I wouldn't count that I was looking at synastry...

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posted December 14, 2012 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, if astro.com counts it, of course i count it too. they have more experience than i do

plus it describes what is going on so obv it counts lol

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