posted December 11, 2012 04:12 AM            

Outer person is besotted, makes long range plans, and is geared for steadiness in many things.

Outer gets their heart broken, inner breaks hearts - actively.

Inner can look super keen and besotted but plays a high stakes game - they like to notch up conquests and feel they have made a devastating impact - with little remorse - they can be almost sneery and joking at how they do people over - big time. They can be shallow, and will tend not to take a hard fall themselves - they are all about picking suitable candidates to do a number on them. If they in danger of being dropped or heartbroken themselves they convert it into vindictiveness and will even resort to sabotage like working behind the scenes to cause damage eg. puncturing someone's tyres, sending them a letter bomb, or running down the other's family members - and as said, little remorse - in fact a conceited bad egg for sure.

posted December 12, 2012 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
Inner person is more in love with themselves - eyeing off others and hoping they will attract others.

Inner can look super keen and besotted but plays a high stakes game - they like to notch up conquests and feel they have made a devastating impact - with little remorse - they can be almost sneery and joking at how they do people over - big time. They can be shallow, and will tend not to take a hard fall themselves - they are all about picking suitable candidates to do a number on them. If they in danger of being dropped or heartbroken themselves they convert it into vindictiveness and will even resort to sabotage like working behind the scenes to cause damage eg. puncturing someone's tyres, sending them a letter bomb, or running down the other's family members - and as said, little remorse - in fact a conceited bad egg for sure.

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Why so negative about the inner person?
With Venus in pisces in the 8th and Saturn in the 7th i dont think what you describe is accurate.
The above description does not fit the Inner person.

posted December 12, 2012 06:09 AM            

Maybe someone else can give you a different account of how you see each other in the relationship. On the first level, inner I think sees the outer as someone they can respect for what they have to say, and enjoys talking, joking and gossiping with them. The age difference also contributes to inner listening up to outer and they have some common outlooks and ways of connecting.

Outer would like to believe that the relationship could work but I don't think they really think it would. Maybe they could be long lasting as contacts but to get embroiled in a close relationship, I think would trigger inner's nasty stuff. Outer sees inner as having a lot going for them in the attractiveness stakes.

Outer could outwit inner's likely slippery slope towards trying to break hearts, however Outer is too kind and supportive and this would be a weak spot that would enable inner to give outer some rude shocks that would eventually traumatise outer.

Others might have a different take on it all though.

posted December 12, 2012 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
Yes, sorry it does sound an awful account of inner person. Saturn quincunx Mars and Mars ruling Moon-Sun, in mutual reception with Moon, and in squared signs (Cancer, Aries)makes for an angry person that can have a chip on their shoulder and be resentful.

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Yes i agree...there is anger...but it is buried, inner anger....mars is in the 12th...it is in the border actually but the person exhibits 12th house mars traits....and the anger is because of some past incidents...
But, since the Outer person has mars in the inner person's 12th as well...i was thinking The outer person can be helpful in clearing the inner persons issues? And the inner person can open themselves to the Outer? What do you say ?

On the first level, inner I think sees the outer as someone they can respect for what they have to say, and enjoys talking, joking and gossiping with them. The age difference also contributes to inner listening up to outer and they have some common outlooks and ways of connecting.

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This para is spot on !

Maybe they could be long lasting as contacts
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What indicates this? How can you say that they are long lasting contacts?

Thankyou !! Do reply

posted December 12, 2012 07:15 PM            

Like a little conquest, like when someone goes 'YES!' and clenches their fist and lowers their elbow (lol, if you get the manoeuvre I'm trying to describe). Like a conquest, then 'now, how am I going to proceed from here'.

They definitely come up as vulnerable, ie. venus in pisces in 8th and willing to receive counsel over it, merc in there too, however poor venus here is the unwitting lure to the charade behind the scenes within the character of inner. And venus in pisces would not like this role, so there is unhappiness.

The drama with Mars ruling moon-sun and Saturn impacting Mars is dominant. The complexity of the cancer-aries aggravation lends an impulsiveness that is hard for the person to deviate from, so they tend to have it upper most as a motivation to have this conquest over others - and sexual control is part of it, hence Venus in opposition to Jupiter and venus' other ruler Neptune conjunct Uranus, still having a valid opposition to Mars.

Outer person willing assists inner person, but outer is unwittingly under the influence of inner's lure dragging you in for damage.

I feel like I want to help inner person too though! I think time will assist inner person, hence the nature of the quincunx between Saturn and Mars. Inner's square of chiron to pluto is in effect and cathartic, but they are super attached to the rush of conquest over others to heal pain in them. The rush doesn't last though, so they have to have a succession of conquests, like popping analgesia for a chronic headache - the conquests a like panadol. Is outer up to the roller coaster - after all, they would be macerated and scorched along the way? Inner person will hate outer person at times for wearing so much of the boiling sulphurous deluge that they will spew forth.

Post the composite if you please!

Outer really wants this achievement, but eventually in trying to give so much understanding and support, it eventually dawns on outer, that inner has moved on and is spending time being supported and understood by a new 'outer' - this will be an invevitable and rude shock, leaving outer standing there going, 'but, but...ok so that's a positive...now, where were we...oh, you don't need to talk about that stuff (but that was one of our really deep and memorable uplifting realizations, and sensual connections)...oh what, you don't need me to talk over that with you...but us...we're good together...um...hello..." - they gone....

There is a rejuvenating, replenishing recontacting feel though, so maybe there will be a thread into the future that has knots on it to signify contact.

Outer though will become a ittle jaded, when they see the pattern of inner's reuptake of interest for another little push of analgesia for them.

Outer's mercury-pluto squaring inner's mars, disruptive but doesn't go away easily. Inner's Mars trine to Uranus, moving in and out similar social arena's - can be reachable though its disjointed. Inner's mercury-venus region is in contact with Outer's venus - this is like never really forgetting about one another, an important contact to one another.

posted December 13, 2012 08:26 AM            

Have you read the blurb on pluto conjunct the ascendant in astro.com if you look into free horoscopes then AstroClick Partner. I have Robert Hand's book Planets in Composite.

Neptune and Chiron opposing one another and square to the Node conjunct Jupiter kind of makes the couple vanish. Is it possible that you never meet each other in person because of the impracticality of it - such as being in different continents, and one person is really poor and has to support children. One climate is extremely cold too, so that even summer time is quite cool. That person might be under martial or communist rule.

The moon makes no great aspect to the ascendant so it is like the home environment won't happen - the quincunx of moon to uranus, could indicate a pseudo home environment like a virtual environment, perhaps you talk to each other with web cam and it is like each goes into the other's home that way.

posted December 13, 2012 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
Holy itshay! look at the exact pluto conjunct AC for godsakes.

Have you read the blurb on pluto conjunct the ascendant in astro.com if you look into free horoscopes then AstroClick Partner. I have Robert Hand's book Planets in Composite.

Neptune and Chiron opposing one another and square to the Node conjunct Jupiter kind of makes the couple vanish. Is it possible that you never meet each other in person because of the impracticality of it - such as being in different continents, and one person is really poor and has to support children. One climate is extremely cold too, so that even summer time is quite cool. That person might be under martial or communist rule.

The moon makes no great aspect to the ascendant so it is like the home environment won't happen - the quincunx of moon to uranus, could indicate a pseudo home environment like a virtual environment, perhaps you talk to each other with web cam and it is like each goes into the other's home that way.

The older person is more particular about forming a close relationship than they are letting on. I think all sorts of plans can be made at a distance but the actuality of it is, is that the older person is finicky about their space and after being the supportive besotted one, could ultimately turn the tables and become a bit unbalanced - as jealousy and control would definitely go on the menu once the initial psychological supportive counsel turns to - but you didn't do what I said - see the astro.com astroclick partner thing.

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Yes, i have seen the interpretations from astro.com and other websites....but i like yours since you can really go deep into it and consider all aspects...
Can you elaborate please on this Composite?
Hmmm....but isnt the moon in the 7th a good enough connection to the ascendant?
The Outer person is the older person.....

posted December 14, 2012 06:42 AM            

Yes I knew the outer was older by the outer planet placements in the synastry chart. Did I confuse things the way I wrote them.

posted December 14, 2012 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
So when I suggested that someone might be under martial/communist rule I can only suppose that it would be more likely the inner. Are they living in that type of environment, or do they have a heritage that has filtered down an influence on the family of such?

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Ok, See, i guess i should let you know of the actual situation since i appreciate the time taken and work you are doing to interpret.
But PLEASE let me know once you finish reading this post so that i can delete it. (i dont want this info in the open). Thanks

posted December 15, 2012 03:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Haplesschild*:
Honestly, if you truly loved him, you would want him to be happy regardless of it being happiness with you. The checking of their synastry and composite amd being relieved that will probably not be happy suggests you might be quite... Self orientated. Wanting him and feeling relief about the suspected mpending bad relationship ain't love.
Love is about having the ability to let go when necessary and wishing utter happiness on the other. It's selfless.

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Yes, i've always believed that if he was happy, its fine with me....and thats why i never let him know of anything until the night before the wedding...which was 5 months after the announcement.....during that time we spoke sometimes over the phone and i never mentioned anything because he seemed so happy.....and although it was difficult for me, because it was my first love and i had never experienced such a thing before and now it was becoming unrequited...i kept quiet.
But once the wedding came around and being so close i had to be involved in it, ofcourse i did all my duties and kept a smile and no one suspected anything at all, i just couldn't keep it all in anymore and i spoke to him, and that did not clearly suggest anything either....but he got to know of the problem and started keeping distance right away, all the time hoping that i would just get over it.....but that really didnt help....
I really wanted him to respond, it has been 10 months, still nothing, like i just want him to scold me for falling in love or thinking that way, or just explain to me that it is not possible...Simply just talk to me about this situation...dont keep like me like this in the dark...all confused and all....and unsure..

And, i have never thought ill of her or wished ill for her or him ever...i dont want to be the reason their marriage ends, if it does,i dont want any such thing..... i just want him to respond..

posted December 15, 2012 03:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Chryseis:
And I now think I am way off with what I said because your account of things does not in anyway fit with what I was picking out of the synastry and composite.

So I think you might be back to square one and might be better to start again and get someone else to look into them.

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