posted January 28, 2013 06:12 AM            

Check especially for connections to the luminaries, angles, nodal axis and Vertex.

connections: conjunction or opposition of Draco to natal with an orb of 2-3 degrees at most.

In your chart the draco connection that instantly comes to attention is your Draconic Mars in Aquarius conjunct your tropical ASC and opposing your Sun and Saturn.

You have quite a full 7th house and might be very strongly oriented towards others.
Draconic Mars in independent Aquarius on your ASC might indicate that you need to work for a balance between focusing on others and yet not forgetting about yourself.

Of course this leads you back to your natal Mars, how it is integrated (or not!).
Mars in Virgo in 8th house might be too prone to give to others and take responsibilites too serious, to the detriment of your own health even.
It seems that this Mars is natally square Neptune in 11th house, which is like a GLARING sign that you need to address your take on boundaries (or even the lack thereof).
Are you able to set boundaries well, especially when it comes to close friends or partners?

well, if not, this is something an Aquarius Mars is REALLY good in. Setting boundaries and asserting his need for personal space.
Since the Draconic chart is calculated with the North Node, so it emphasises things you are growing into or working on.

posted January 28, 2013 12:09 PM            

So a Draconic chart indicates your potential?so do transits also affect the draconic chart?

''In your chart the draco connection that instantly comes to attention is your Draconic Mars in Aquarius conjunct your tropical ASC and opposing your Sun and Saturn.''

Hmmm, that doesn't sound too promising. When a planet in the draconic chart aspects another one in the tropical chart, how much does this affect our behavior? Doesn't it somehow come into conflict with the other aspects that the tropical chart is making?

''You have quite a full 7th house and might be very strongly oriented towards others.''

Yes that's what I noticed too, both the tropical and draconic charts. But do we also take the characteristics of the placements in the draconic chart, for instance in the latter my 7H is Capri-Sag.Because at times I do feel like a cappy venus and mercury.

''Draconic Mars in independent Aquarius on your ASC might indicate that you need to work for a balance between focusing on others and yet not forgetting about yourself.

Of course this leads you back to your natal Mars, how it is integrated (or not!).
Mars in Virgo in 8th house might be too prone to give to others and take responsibilites too serious, to the detriment of your own health even.
It seems that this Mars is natally square Neptune in 11th house, which is like a GLARING sign that you need to address your take on boundaries (or even the lack thereof).
Are you able to set boundaries well, especially when it comes to close friends or partners?''

yeah I think I can, since everyone tells me am selfish.

''well, if not, this is something an Aquarius Mars is REALLY good in. Setting boundaries and asserting his need for personal space.''

May be that explains my selfishness

posted January 28, 2013 01:10 PM            

!So a Draconic chart indicates your potential?"
Yes, but actually the whole chart indicates our potential.

There are three interpretative approaches to Draconic I am aware of.

1. Draconic chart as a past life chart
(though the Dracos are calculated with the future oriented NORTH Node, it would actually be the opposite sign position in the Draco chart that is aligned with the South Node; but maybe the difference does not matter much).

2. as a Higher SElf chart, indicating some kind of destiny or purpose

3. as Kim Falconer calls it "a layer of soulfabric"; underlying the more obvious tropical placements.

Probably any interpretation should reflect the meaning of the nodal axis, as this is how Dracos are calculated.
And the nodal axis is the relationship between Earth, Moon and Sun, and since it is the LUNAR nodes the Moon seems to be more emphasized than the other two. So in my understanding it might be that it highlights a part of the soul, of emotional influence.

However, I am juggling with all the various approaches, and am not totally sure which one is right, or if all are right in their own way.

"so do transits also affect the draconic chart?"
Yes, but usually more on a subtle, emotional or internal level. if something is triggering your Draconic planets, thingsm ight shift inside of you, and some meaningful insight might happen for you, but it doesn´t have to happen simultaneously with big external events (maybe transits to planets in the Draconic are simiiliar to strong transits to the nodal axis, just tilting them towards a certain function. Like a transit to Draconic Venus might suddenly raise your awareness about what relationships mean to you on a deeper level).

But I am just thinking out loud here. So take this with a grain of salt.

"When a planet in the draconic chart aspects another one in the tropical chart, how much does this affect our behavior?"
I don´t think Draconic aspects affect our behaviour primarily.
However it is through the awareness we gain about that draconic planet, that we choose to modify our behaviour. Like the DRaconic is some sort of "internal instigator".

"Doesn't it somehow come into conflict with the other aspects that the tropical chart is making?"
I am not sure what you mean?

Of course there are conflicts in the chart anywhere, contradictions. But I think that has to do with the fact that humans are pretty complex.
But that comes up even in the tropical chart alone.

"Yes that's what I noticed too, both the tropical and draconic charts"
The aspects will stay the same in the DRaconic chart, and the Draconic NN will always be on 00 Aries.
That has to do with the way the Dracos are calculated.

You are treating the NN as if it was the beginning (00 Aries) and modify the other planets accordingly.
Usually that means you substract your natal North NOde from any other planet, and the result is the Draco position.

Example:
Sun: 266° (26 Sag)
NN: 250° (10 Sag)

this results in a Draconic Sun of 16 Aries (my Draco Sun btw)

." But do we also take the characteristics of the placements in the draconic chart,"
Yes, of course. The signplacement of the Draconic chart will be different from the tropical one and as I believe highlights a strong layer to the planet, though it may not be always as obvious.

"
yeah I think I can, since everyone tells me am selfish."
LOL

Are the others right?

Well, your Sun is in Leo I think?
That probably helps in setting boundaries as does Saturn in 7th house (I failed to see that this morning, sorry.)

posted January 28, 2013 01:22 PM            

"The three planes:
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tropical: the physical plane; present incarnation
Draco: emotional roots; past incarnations
helio: spiritual plane; either future incarnation, or operating out of the context of time

the helio is also said to relate to the Higher Self, and as twin flames have the same Higher Self (at least that is what I repeatedly read about it), the helios are a MUST in twin flame relationships.
As Draco`s are relating to the Moon and soul-connections, soulmates and Twinflame also MUST have strong Draco connections I guess

(1) strong tropica, strong Draco and strong helio:
° twinflames
° probably ready for reunion on earth, as shown by the connections to tropical

(2) weak tropical, strong Draco and strong Helio
° possibly twinflames, who are not yet ready or missing opportunities to be reunited in this earthly incarnation, though their souls and spirits will resonate with each other still
(maybe these will bring the most pain)

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(3) strong tropical, strong Draco, weak helio
° probably no twinflames, as the spiritual or Higher Selves connection is weak
° soulmates with strong soulattachment plus shared past lives
° reconnecting to either solve unfinished karma (esp. if the Draconic aspects are challenging) or because the past shared joy drew them together again

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(4) strong tropical and strong helio, weak Draco

this one puzzles me a lot

° possibly spiritual guides for each other
° it could be that there is no emotional attachment, so they would not be soulmates; or it could be that it just means there has been no past life stuff at work
(it depends how we interprete the Draconics I guess. Is it JUST past life stuff, or is it also relating to a soul-connection?)

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(5) weak tropical, strong Draco, weak helio
° possibly soul- or karmamate with emotional attachment and shared past life experiences
° since the tropical is weak, maybe no reconnection in this life, or mit might indicate that they need to take a "break" from each other

(6) weak tropical, weak Draco, strong helio
° spiritual connection is present, but maybe more like a "background program"
° there seems to be a separation from each other on the physical plane

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(7) strong tropical, weak Draco, weak helio
° Earthmates
° neither soulmates nor twinflames
° probably the start of a new cycle with new souls, maybe even from other soulgroups

(8) weak tropical, weak, Draco, weak helio
° "soulstrangers"

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Of course we would have to define what "strong" and "weak" means (imo, "weak" is rather a lack of aspects than challenging ones).

Also, there are still aspects in the tropical for example, that will show a soul-connection on the physical plane.
Like Moon/Pluto or Moon/ASC etc. for example.

So, there would need to be modifications to t hese. It was just a first approach."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/210984-5.html

In this model, which is really just a theoretical musing, the Draconic chart would relate to the soul, and probably the emotional memory stored in the soul (which includes past lives of course and specifically karmic emotional attachments; ongoing soulconnections).

posted January 28, 2013 01:42 PM            

Are the others right?''

hmmm, that's a difficult question to answer. I think I am self centered, being cappy rising, so may be the others are kinda right. I'm quite aware of that, so that's why I say I know how to set boundaries But am a very generous person with my loved ones. I know it's a bit contradictory

''Well, your Sun is in Leo I think?
That probably helps in setting boundaries as does Saturn in 7th house (I failed to see that this morning, sorry.)''

yeah the proud Leo

posted January 28, 2013 01:56 PM            

''helio: spiritual plane; either future incarnation, or operating out of the context of time''

Okay, didn't know about this one.

So draconic charts if I understood well, affects us on a more subconscious level,a force within us that provides fuel to our spiritual or emotional growth and awareness.

posted January 29, 2013 01:40 AM            

",a force within us that provides fuel to our spiritual or emotional growth and awareness."
Yes, I think so.

"When do you say a tropical/draco is weak or strong?"
"Strong" and "weak" are not really terms I am happy with, as they imply a judgment.
People have VASTLY different opinions when it comes to this, but this is mine:

In synastry (and I was talking about synastry here) aspects provide the energy and channels to connect.
You can be very compatible from your natal charts, and that is totally important and a basic ingredient for compatibility, but if there are no aspects, you might not feel propelled to actually DO something and actively connect to each other.
If however planets are in close aspect to each other, people will trigger one another in strong ways.

The core energies of a person imo are carried by the angles, the luminaries (Sun and Moon), the nodal axis and the Vertex axis.

Or as Noel Tyl sais: "“Nothing important happens in life unless the Angles, Sun, or the Moon is involved.” – Noel Tyl"

While this was said in relation to predicitive astrology, I believe this is true in terms of synastry as well.

These points that I mentioned (with the addendum of nodal axis and Vertex axis), are the building blocks of personality. I am not underestimating the power of the other planets, but the angles and luminaries represent the spine of the chart, sort of the reference points, a basic general orientation.

From this concludes that strong Draconic-tropical synastry exists, if there are tight conjunctions/ oppositions between these points; or at least involving one set of luminaries/ angles.

posted January 29, 2013 04:22 AM            

One Draconic-Draconic synastry (not considering anything else for the moment) has:

-her Dr Uranus conjunct his Dr Neptune and Dr ASC
- her Dr Neptune conjunct his Dr Jupiter (on 00 Aries, as she has Neptune conjunct NN and he has Jupiter conjunct NN)

a second synastry has:

- her Dr Venus conjunct his Dr Saturn, Dr Vertex and Dr DESC

- her Dr Pluto opposite his Dr Sun and Dr Moon and conjunct his Dr IC

- her Dr IC conjunct his Dr Sun, Dr Moon and Dr MC

posted January 29, 2013 04:50 AM            

The info you've provided is fascinating! There seems to be no end of learning in astrology. I am very interested in finding out what relationships teach us about ourselves and where we need to go next in terms of emotional or spiritual growth. Draconic charts should help one to gain this understanding.

posted January 29, 2013 05:50 AM            

But there is the option on astro.com to convert the charts to the Draconic zodiac, and then you can simply look at the chart comparision in Draco-zodiac.

posted January 30, 2013 06:38 AM            

Under "options" you can pick the zodiac (the default zodiac is tropical, but you can pick several others, heliocentric, draconic etc.)

Then click to show the chart.

posted January 31, 2013 02:49 AM            

my sun opp his MC -2 d

my mercury opp his sun -2 d
opp his moon -3

my venus opp his sun -2 d, his moon at -3 d
square his NN at -2 d

My jup conjunct his jupiter 4 d
conjunct pars of fortune 0 d
conjunct his asc 0 d

My saturn opp his sun -3 d, opp his moon -1
opp his MC -6

My NN conjunct his NN 0 00 d
oppose his chiron -1

My chiron opp his vertex -4
conjunct his chiron 5 d
sq his MC 2 d

My PF conjucnt his uranus 2 d

My vertex oppo his uranus -0 d
conjucnt his asc 3 d

My asc conjunct his moon
conjunct his mars 4 d

posted January 31, 2013 02:58 AM            

The reason is that wide orbs and putting all aspects including minor ones into it, will muddle the picture.
But you really want to see the basic core of the connection (the other aspect might be added later, after you have a tight grip on the basic themes).

posted January 31, 2013 04:11 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I really meant conjunctions and oppositions within 3 degrees as most, when I wrote that in my last reply.

The reason is that wide orbs and putting all aspects including minor ones into it, will muddle the picture.
But you really want to see the basic core of the connection (the other aspect might be added later, after you have a tight grip on the basic themes).

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posted January 31, 2013 04:11 PM            

"my sun opp his MC -2 d"
Your Sun conj. his IC is definitely a core aspect, showing that you are linked at the base of your souls. Especially important for him (IC is the deepest point in the chart and the entry toyour soul, so since the Dracos relate to the soul per definitionem, the Draco IC must be a portal to a very deep part of one`s soul, and with your Dr. Sun you have an entry pass there. More strongly though, if some of your tropical planets are falling onto this position as well).
It is even more significant because your DESC is conjunct his IC as well.
Three core objects together, two angles - honestly this alone would be enough for me to think you are probably soulmates or at least have shared important past life lines with each other, and have an ongoing soul-attachment.

"my mercury opp his sun -2 d
opp his moon -3"
Also important because MErcury rules your ASC.

"my venus opp his sun -2 d, his moon at -3 d"
bringing romantic love into the equation.

"
conjunct his asc 0 d"
Love that one.
Jupiter rules your DESC, so it is a Yin-YAng combination. He has what you needs (soulwise), and with Jupiter on his ASC you bring a lot of happiness and growth to his soul (potentially at least)

"My saturn opp his sun -3 d, opp his moon -1"
Makes me think of serious karmic business, though it might have been sometimes too rigid and too harsh. Possible some past lives where there was too much emphasis on what is being appropriate.
But it is of course a great glue in such a constellation. Very karmic, very serious, but maybe not so happy on itself (but oyu have Jupiter on ASC as remedy)

"My NN conjunct his NN 0 00 d
oppose his chiron -1"
You can scratch the aspects to Draco NN, as everyone`s draco NN lands on 00 Aries.

"My vertex oppo his uranus -0 d
conjucnt his asc 3 d"
Exciting, stimulating. He might hae a liberating influence on you, though it is of course not very predictable.
Also Vertex and Uranus both can feel very electric, so there might be a lot of electricity between you.

My MC conjunct his pluto 0 d"
conjunct his vertex 2 d
conjunct his MC 1 d"
Another of those very significant connections. Tight orbed and including three angles. With Plouto in the brew transformation in a worldly sense might be a theme. his Pluto on your MC?
he might even influence you in such a profound way that some of your goals or what you want in life change or get transformed.

All on a soul-level of course.