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isabelle_lila
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posted January 25, 2013 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for isabelle_lila     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone,

I don't know who do past life except Chryseis (I love your readings, so insightful, you have a beautiful gift).

I want to know if someone saw something concerning a past life or a karmic debt in regards to my ex F.

Here are:
my natal chart,
my draconic
my solar return,
my synastry chart with F,
my composite chart with F,
F draconic


If you need another chart, tell me.

Thank you very much !

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Chryseis
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posted January 25, 2013 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi isabelle, I started on it and then accidently highlighted the posting and pressed something that deleted it as I was moving my laptop around on my lap.

Basically the previous life of yours was in an elite navy the Prussian navy, but it was absorbed by the Imperial German Navy. He was born somewhere in Austrian Poland in 1852 and was elevated in status and involved in both torpedo boats and when he was in his late 50s, he was involved with submarines but he didn't like the possibility of using them for destruction but preferred the idea of them as showcasing might and sophisticated force - his perspective was that of a maintenance of sovereign aristocratic power rather than damaging others. I don't believe he saw true active fighting or participation. He seemed to be more involved in a show of might around trade routes and protecting sovereign coastlines.

His name if I were to place a name would be something I can neither spell or say. The closest I can get it Dubrovne (or Dubravna) Karan Dalabresk Moldikovni (or Moldikov ni'a) but the entire name is said quickly, thickly and all the syllables run together so its something like this and I think perhaps he was called Dobra/Doobra and sometimes Karzy.

There is the impression that he had a prosthetic leg due to losing it in some kind of accident whereby something slid catching his leg and crushed it, probably left leg.

He did marry and had children 2-3 girls and one surviving boy, there may have been twin girls and the boy may have been the only surviving twin of a set of twins too. The wife was good but harsh, but apparently that made her a good wife for a man of the forces as it made her seem efficient, a good manager and dedicated to a life generally on her own. It probably sounds weird to think of a life that seems to be associated with your chart and it was male and they had a wife, sorry, I would like to provide something more suitable but this seems to be it.

He died in some kind of hospital home when he was almost 73yrs and he had some kind of chest infection or problem, like TB but not quite. Maybe it was like scarred tissue from a terrible influenza and it impaired his lungs. His family visited him all the time and two of the children contracted something too, so perhaps, due to just googling now, illness similar to TB, I would say he had been infected with another mycobacterium not the one for regular TB, and I think some of the family, at least two contracted it as well. But yes there was scar tissue, or fibrosis I think its called. The wife almost lived at the hospital and would sit by him and knit, she didn't read though, however he read a little after teaching himself and so she brought him newspapers regularly. I think the hospital stuff was covered under a type of pension and she received some kind of honary pension, I think he may have been an officer and that he might well have gone to the academy started by the Imperial German Navy when he was about 20yrs. I think he joined the Prussian Navy as an 11yr old boy and served along side family members, beginning with the mess acivities and minor duties intially.

The composite is quite good, however, the chiron placement is probably the biggest problem. With the chiron-venus trine, some people call this a cinderella love story thing or something, I could look it up but its something close to this - I on the otherhand see it as an open wound that finds great diffiulty to heal and move on, it would be better to be a mars-chiron trine as this is more proactive and beneficial. When venus is trining chiron in the composite, its a real lovesick component that has a beautiful facet to it as well as a miserable and debilitating quality, I think the true reason for it is to refine through misery and to extend oneself through skill and allowing each other room to find what they need to enhance each of their personalities, good in one way but difficult and sort of disconcerting, and whilst binding to some degree, in another way it sort of breaks up any instinctive attachment bases. Maybe I could explain that better but that's the best I can do for now.

The mars/jupiter/moon - chiron squares really make the relationship, though overall the heavy chironic feel is a tedious, tiring and disparaging focus, though yes more able to assist the misery of the chiron-venus trine. The grand earth trine involving saturn, lends the importance to the relationship as does the leonine conjunction and the sun in the 7th, and ruler of the composite ASC conjunct the sun in the 7th.

I think the biggest problem is that the relationship feels 'open' and undefined, there is not enough glue for the everyday, though there is an undercurrent of glue that keeps you involved like an addictive quality. Neptune conjunct the Sun and DSC as well as the venus trine chiron set the tone of the relationship and this is not helped by a gemini ascendant which tends to make you restless and inquisitive as a couple and thus opens the quality of the relationship more. The composite sag sun also opens the relationship up to have a freedom loving-roving eye.

The guys draconic does seem to represent a female feel, but though I can't rule it out, I also can't definately determine whether you knew one another. That's my first impression, but I will look further now.

The previous life of F is called Jessamine H'aurieve (or maybe just Aurievie)or something like that. The location is Canada though, and the time is 1903-1973 perhaps, and the cause of death was cancer of the oesophagus that metastised into the lungs and liver. I think there were quick successive lives though, and perhaps it was a child's life before this from what seems to be 1893 and this could have been maybe one of the twin boys of the male life of yours, but not sure which twin. It could be the twin that didn't survive but I can not determine how old they were or whether they lived at all, I feel I can see a boy of ten or so, that would make it a 1903 death which would be in the same year as the next life's birth of the canadian french person, though the Jessmin life has a feel of almost being born elsewhere, so perhaps conceived in Europe of parents that emigrated to Canada maybe from omni province to helminki in canada. I put those down, but now will try to find them. Apparently there is some omni stuff associate with Barcelona in Spain. There are people called Helminki in Canada but yeah, I don't know where these places are and maybe they are obscured for a reason. The place in Canada has porbeagle sharks, I think. And the place in
'Omni' is where a type of retsina wine is made, perhaps it is Corbieres. Omni means all or every so maybe it is not the actual name but related to something about an area that is made up of a lot of regions or something.

Anyhow, I have no idea, and I'm not entirely sure about the previous boy life of F being the son of your previous life - sounds a bit uneventful, they hardly knew one another because the father was away so much and the boy was sickly, possibly with the same bacterium that eventually got to the father (Dubra) and some of the others. If it is true, and I can hardly determine it, the boy's name may have been Milchesk or Milch something and he was musically talented but would play a violin outside with snow thick and icy on the ground, and and I think he kept Robins for pets and I think now, the mycobacterium was Avian TB so still a type of TB.

Anyway there is something about the father of Jessamine or perhaps it was more like Jessmin(Jesmin), anyway, something about him being a watchmaker and made watches for wealthy people and this included making larger clocks. The mother stitched and ate tiny things all day, someone cooked for her and she just nibbled all day, never had a big meal but always had a small plate that she would pick something up and taking a tiny bite then put it down, something the size of what I would have put six in in one go and swallowed with one gulp - I think both sweet and savoury. Some with a fondant and she nibbled these so tinily, like bit off almost like the tiniest imaginable bite - but yes, just nibbled away all day, and stitched dainty things. She was a little plump probably more so for not really moving the whole day, but she wasn't really fat. I think she even nibbled tiny bits of vegetable and thin little pieces of pear - as well. Anyway that was this mother of Jessmin, F's possible most recent life - seems so surreal.

So if you can understand all of that, that's the best I can do. If there is a karmic debt, though Karma is for the most part generally misunderstood (that's another story though), but yes on referring to the Tarot to highlight the Karmic debt that you may possibly have to F, would be:

King of Wands
Eight of Swords
Eight of Wands

There is a sensation of rolling water and instability. It would have to be not easily explained, and simply put would never really do, however, needs must, simply put is the only thing I am able to devote at the moment.

I would say that you are not appreciating what he has gone through, or you are seemingly making light of things that have been deeply experienced by him - or you are there in light sort of verbal support but don't give him the impression of really understanding the deeper difficulties of his life. I see tattoos on his arms - he may not have tattoos, but I always think tattoos represent emotional upset, trauma and hardship, and I would say he is coming across to me with dark intricate tattoos on his body, mainly arms some chest/back and winding down to top of thighs, I doubt he would have this and maybe doesn't have any but this is what I see, in fact they seem to wind up his neck and touch his face.

I don't really know how you would acknowledge this situation, if you think its valid. To describe it, perhaps you put too much pressure on what you would like to see happen or for him to do, and are not acknowledging other stuff about him or that has occurred to him or that he feels like is restricting him. So you might be glossing over what he thinks are his issues and you're trying to get him to be somewhere where he can't be, physically, psychologically and emotionally. So its like you're operating on two planes of existence that are either sliding over one another or butting against one another.

The progress might be felt in not trying to get him to be anywhere other than where he is at, again, physically, emotionally, psychologically. Because he is deeply affected and is finding it difficult to deal with let alone incorporate anyone else's ideals of what they would like him to be.

Its like he feels he is not being heard by you and is unable to fulfill your expectations because he is incapable of getting to where you want him to be - its like unrealistic or an unreality for him, the picture, and where you are trying to place him.

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Chryseis
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posted January 25, 2013 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it was to be related to the life, it could have been around a story like this:

The father (you in a previous life) made the boy feel inadequate like he should be more of a man even as a boy. This was to do with a number of things, firstly he was the only boy, secondly the father had been in naval service from 11yrs so he had no time for softly regarding boyhood too much. Also, the father had a bit of a flippant thing going on whereby he would make light of the boy's situation as if the boy had not a care in the world. However, the boy had really suffered with the harsh mother, and the father being chiefly absent and he was quite frightened for his future as he had no idea where he would end up given the father's pressure to grow up quickly and be a man. The boy was very soulful and he whispered to the Robins and imagined they told things to other birds and carried his messages of his wishes, needs, and worries. He would play to the birds remaining in the middle of winter so that they might have strength to keep singing and keep positive when food was scarce. He imagined he was performing for all the birds for miles and that he kept them going by giving them the strength of someone caring enough to play for them to see them through the hard times.

In the life of Jessmin, the family went from riches to rags once in Canada, and Jessmin served alcohol, cleaned and cooked at some kind of rowdy drinking place, I think she may have taken part in some drinking competitions, and she generally continually had a type of tobacco cigar/cigarette resting in her mouth or between her teeth. The family had been comfortable with the watchmaking, however I think the father wanted to move due to the price of gold and the possible allure of cheaper gold in canada. A series of misfortune had the family scrapping to pay their bills and make a living and it wasn't probably until her early 20s when she initially took up washing for this inn type of place then eventually started serving inside. I think the harshness of the environment seemed to dissolve some of the class distinctions and had everyone just surviving the best way they could.

Anyhow, believe it or not, that's the past lives as I see them.

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isabelle_lila
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posted January 28, 2013 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for isabelle_lila     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Chryseis.

What is funny is that people call me the general And F did drink too much before we met.

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Chryseis
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posted January 28, 2013 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think some nuances and things stay with us, but then again a lot of people drink too much.

However, yeah some things definitely tide over it seems.

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Alysama
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posted January 29, 2013 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alysama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow! this is so amazing! I didn't even know there was such a thing as a draconic chart, so I've been looking into it and don't understand how it can be interpreted as a past life thing, especially because it's so difficult to read compared to natals and synastry.
You're interpretation is really awesome. Thanks for the post, I'm going to start doing some research on mine.

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