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rajin
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posted February 08, 2013 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Chryseis,
I have been reading so many of your posts and your readings for people especially re. past life. Ceridwin had taken a look at my composite chart with the person I am in love with and she thought the theme of skipped step was very strong in the chart.
I would appreciate your input too and if you could suggest what I can do to rectify the situation, I would love to hear your advice.
Pl. let me know if you could kindly spare some time for me. I will post the composite/synastry charts with any asteroids that you suggest.
Thank you so much.

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Chryseis
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posted February 08, 2013 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rajin, I feel I remember your username and you maybe weren't as adept on your english when you joined. You must have been doing night school or something...

Anyway, what is this 'skipped step' thing about? Put up your charts if you wish and explain further if you like. I will see if I can determine anything, but have found at times that I see nothing succinct or get mixed ideas on several of the charts recently.

I have also found of late that I am quite willing and interested to look into charts etc, but not always so motivated to outline anything in them as it can be so time consuming and if I get mixed impressions I am hesitant to relay any ideas.

I guess I am unreliable on several fronts, so if you wish to put up your charts I will look into them.

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posted February 08, 2013 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
Thanks for the help. I am posting the synastry and composite charts for us. Any insight is welcome.

Have a good weekend.

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Chryseis
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posted February 09, 2013 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am totally full of excuses it seems at the moment. I did begin an extensive reply and pressed, probably the enter key or something, and lost the lot in one foul swoop.

There is a sensation of that skipped step idea, but I think that Neptune in exact square to the Node in the composite will make the relationship near impossible.


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posted February 09, 2013 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chryseis,

the term of "skipped step" is coined by Jeff Greene I think; a planet that is square the nodal axis is termed a skipped step.

in synastry charts I have found Neptune squaring or opposing North Node often appear in relationships that broke apart in often very detrimental or tragic ways.
Maybe it is similiar with the composite, though I very much hesitate to come to such a conclusion from one aspect alone
But however it may be, Neptune squaring nodal axis is a very difficult thing to have.

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posted February 09, 2013 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI Chryseis and Ceri,
I am very grateful to both of you for your valuable time and input. I am so badly emotionally involved with this person, that I am still trying to find answers to understand the issues, understand him and his behaviour. Ceri did go in-depth with the composite and I am still in awe of her perception and innate understanding of astrology.
I guess I am still looking for answers and to understand myself better.
Thank you. Have a great weekend.

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posted February 09, 2013 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to see the composite as a summary of the energies, hence a good tool to naturally synthesise the two natal charts.

I recognise synastry for its independent aspects but it is the coupling/synthesis/mix that, for me, sorts out the true nature of the relationship. So yes the composite represents a summary of the energies, and therefore tends to bring to mind associated manifestations, as well as feasibility and longevity etc.

I feel in general, Neptune square the other's node in synastry, is frustrating for the node person, because the Neptune person will be evasive, give excuses, not show up, lie, cheat, and make themselves generally unavailable or enigmatic.

In fact circumstances will eventually most likely convene and the Neptune person can often be ousted or will become sick, or maybe incarcerated or something to get out of the node person's way entirely because it is like they are standing in their way. Initially the node person may try to accommodate them, especially if there are other attraction aspects, but eventually, higher forces, or environmental circumstances or perhaps even the awareness of the Neptune person will get them to step aside. Basically if they don't move on willingly, the universe will intervene. And conversely if the Node person remains too attached to them they may come to some kind of grief themselves in order for momentum to be built up enough to oust the Neptune person from being 'in their way'.

Double whammy's in synastry would be chaotic and could end in mishap due to a certain degree of unregulated forces at work. Sounds a bit Uranian or Plutonian but they seem to have a different playing out.

In the composite the sensation of Neptune square the Node, seems to me that it would have to be an extremely close orb, which it is in the chart provided here, and it would seem that it would play out as a type of oppression. One person would be almost drinking in/breathing in the auric qualities/and images/and created impressions etc of the other, so much so that there is two sensations - one that, one of the people become sort of sucked upon, they would feel that they had sort of almost a ghost like feel at times and could have symptoms like a wishy washy head feeling etc. The other sensation is that the beyond obsession person, becomes a type of schizophrenic also with a flubbery head feel as they try to fit in the representation of the other within themselves.

In the synastry chart I had a distinct impression of the person in the blue's image on revolving mirrored doors. I think in some ways they inherently have this quality in themselves and can operate like that with others. They don't own up to stuff and can operate behind the scenes. I think it is centred in the cluster of planets around their Sun. I think he is operating in a strange way towards you, Rajin.

So, Rajin has a tendencey for sacrifice, and giving herself up totally to another, Sun conjunct Neptune, and being quite indiscriminate about it (opposition to Saturn). This is chiefly to do with your strong past life history in either religious orders or just personally operating as an ascetic with very high spiritual goals. Problem is you readily give yourself up to kind of like rivers of energy - I do the same, and a kind of biproduct/effect is that you can be flooded with karmic others/magicians etc. Its like you felt you achieved a degree of spiritual strength based on a faith in the order of the universe, so much so that you think what ever will be is destined anyway so 'bring it on'. The only trap in this approach is, is that you can get overwhelmed by destiny, so that it speeds up and comes flying at you along with all sorts of unresolved stuff or unresolved others. Was it you that mentioned some kind of unmarried scenario in the chart as seen by another reader?

This 'magician' guy, because in a way, that is what he is, has got your number, and is also experiencing flubbery head feelings as he works overtime to gear you in to him. But he is not upfront and may never be, he likes the sensation of having you dangling in a connection.

You also will probably eventually or at times have some flubbery head feelings as the guy is trying to draw you in. Pluto is quincunx the Node as well in the composite so now we can direct some of the justification to this plutonic energy, however essentially it is a Neptunian conflict. It 's like obsession in overdrive and is incorporating Neptunian energies such as merging, dissolving, blurring and sacrifice.

I think the most the guy would understand about it is that he knows he is mentally powerful and can use mind and physical energies to create realities to some extent. I wouldn't say he is a demon, or has a forensic orientation, but he does have a much unknown quality in modern day times - and that is he can play with imagery and energies.

Basically it will suit him for you to be feeling, 'ohh, damn why can't we just actualise this beauty between us' and 'I want to merge with you totally etc'. This is like a serious dessert to a 'magician'. Witholding....hmmm, it sure plays havoc with karmic type repercussions. Anyway there is also drama in the composite to do with too much stiffness and some other stuff like family backgrounds/prejudices/opinions etc or one another's likely situations/locations/backgrounds etc.

I think the resolving of the situation will be when you get the confidence and determination to think, I've had enough. Then give him an ultimatum, and if he doesn't improve his ways, try and remove yourself from ongoing involvement with him. In my opinion, it can never work as relationship this time round, he's got to much going on in his way of operating, and truth be told you have other things to focus on but you haven't been able to do because you are stuck on him. You can move on from this guy...

Uranus opposition Moon in the 12th is also giving that push to become emotionally separate, though you can have this one in ongoing relationships but its pretty upsetting. Its basically just trying to keep people separate but usually there would be a fair amount of emotional upset and probably tears with the composite Moon opposition Uranus. It can make one or both undermine the other by things like talking about them behind their back, or maybe setting them up for a fall, and certainly there will be cold, cold emotional distance at times, stress and tantrums that would make it hard to settle into a domestic situation.

Maybe i would modify some of these broad statements depending on actual combinations in other composites.

When I seek an impression for info on the general idea of a skipped step I feel there is more to it as well, but i can't determine it clearly enough to add anything.


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posted February 09, 2013 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Chryseis,
Thank you so much for the great analysis. You are right in saying that we have a lot of unresolved issues. He is afraid of commitment and he turns tail and runs when things get serious. But the trouble is he keeps coming back. That makes me think that I have a lesson here to learn that I am not learning well. I have tried not to be cruel to anyone's emotions on purpose, so I find it difficult to insult him and kick him. He is very polite and gentlemanly always, makes it more difficult to be rude to someone who is at least pretending to be contrite.
If there is a lesson for me to learn from this relationship what is it? That I should trample his feelings and be mean to him to feel better? I genuinely love him so it makes it hard for me when he does this back and forth dance.
Am I destined to remain alone all my life? Is it some sort of punishment that I am facing, that I will never find true love? Is that what my chart says? I am the Sun in Scorpio person,BTW.
RAS had this thread about the most loving relationships, wherein she said that composites with Sun, Venus and Mercury close together are the best relations. We have that, so can this stellium overcome all the other issues? Will love not be enough to make this relationship work?
I am sorry about all the questions. I am trying to make sense of this life journey that I am on and it does not seem to have any happy endings or reunions.
For the past ten years, I have gone through the worst kinds of hell and it does not seem to end at all. Sometimes I just wish that when I close my eyes at night, I never wake up to see another dawn and that would be the best thing that could happen to me. I am tired now and can't keep getting up to fight again and again.

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posted February 10, 2013 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True that the Venus Sun conjunction on the DSC is significant and Mercury/Jupiter there too, but it is the outer planets and Saturn, that often make and break relationships - and how they interact with the Nodes, even more so.

If you are getting that desperately tired, can't keep the fight up, etc, you would probably be better not to rely on readers to give you insight and advice because I for one disagree with core arguments of some of the readers on here and they no doubt have issues with what I say because it is at times in direct conflict with what they are espousing. A lot of composites have a conjunction combo of the inner planets otherwise you wouldn't have the affinity with someone to actually like them, so naturally Sun/Venus/Mercury are usually involved, either all three or at least two with one or more other planets is very common. So I would call it a like stellium for one. The love stuff would require cranking up with other planets in aspect - however it does enhance your stellium that it is sitting on the composite DSC in the 7th house.

Hence already you have a wide variation of advice and comments influencing you that you are trying to assimilate.

Naturally, if you think you would be rude to him if you sought some definition with him, then you are not in any position to follow my advice by any means.

Finally, if you are that bogged down in stuff over the last ten years then I have read your chart incorrectly as well, because to me, I thought I was seeing a more encompassing faith in the universe than what you seem to be indicating. In fact, your transits over the last ten years should not have been to arduous either and I would have thought you would be feeling pretty good.

The blue person in the chart however, has had a pretty awful time over the last ten years with T. Pluto opposing Moon and conjuncting Mars. Chiron Neptune have gone through a sweep over the Midheaven and traversing their tenth as well, with Uranus having swept through the tenth and conjunct the Node. Now in the T. Saturn opposing natal Saturn in the 12th. T. Saturn conjunctions to all those planets from Venus through to Jupiter over the last so many years.


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posted February 10, 2013 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI Chryseis,
I seemed to have made you angry. I did not mean to do that. I am not saying that I am tired because of the various vies on this subject on this forum. I have been going through various other difficulties, my dad was diagnosed with cancer, I moved from one country to another and worked with people who were morally unethical and had a tough time getting out of there. This relationship added the cherry on the top for all the other messes.
Every time he came back I kept hoping that he had grown up a bit and would be willing work on the relationship and it would not happen. You get your hopes dashed again and again, you start losing faith in the rightness of the universe. It is like offering food to a hungry dog and kicking him instead when he comes close to get it. After a while he refuses to believe anybody with food.
I agree with you when you say I should put an end to it. He is not in touch with me right now, if he does come back I am going to lay down the rules or will learn to walk away.
My whole point was I wanted to understand if the skipped step had any lessons for me to learn in this lifetime. The universe has to have some reason for putting me through this again and again. I am just trying to find out what the lesson is.
I appreciate you and everybody else who takes time to understand other people's troubles and try to help them along. Thank you so much.

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posted February 10, 2013 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chryseis,
I don't know if this could ecplain why I had a tough time, but I had Pluto going over Sag for a long time now, going over Neptune(ruler of my Asc) Jupiter(9th house ruler), Venus and Merc. Saturn had been going over my 7th house and 6th house for the past 5 + years.Plus the NN was over my Sag house too.
I am not sure how all of these translate, but I think the Pluto transit was perhaps the most difficult one. For his reputation, Saturn never hurt me when he was in my houses where I could work to make my situation better, he hurt me when he went over my 7th, the house of other people.
Just my 2 cents, I could be completely wrong.
Any input is welcome.

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posted February 10, 2013 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those transits wouldn't account for what you were expressing.

Though it would account for the trepidation involved in someone with an 8th house Mars ruled by Saturn in the 12th sensing transiting Pluto to Mars by conjunction and transiting Saturn in Scorpio in opposition to Saturn - as the blue person does. They would certainly feel like 'I am tired now and can't keep getting up to fight again and again.'

And, as an aside, using the term, 'Just my two cents' is not that common.

Of course some people believe that astrology doesn't account for everything. I disagree, because I have been closely following transits and their effects for years and they are so indicative of symptoms and life events. I don't even really bother with any other stuff such as progressions because time and again the transits will indicate the same themes.

I appreciate that Ceridwen has contributed the skipped step notion. I like the idea and find it really interesting. I do sense that the squared planetary body to the nodes does flow into a skipped step feel, however, there is a sense that it is not black and white and hence, for me, it would depend on the chart/s. I also appreciate that you have posted as it has given me the opportunity to explore some of the content regarding this and I am eager to learn more about these sorts of anomalies in astrology.

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posted February 11, 2013 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Chryseis,
I am a novice, I still don't understand the significance of many transits and am trying to learn from all of you. I told you how I felt and what has been going on in my life. If the transits say that I am supposed to be happy right now, they are not matching with what is happening in real life.
the blue person is not me and he certainly did not feel the way I did about life.
I am not sure why the transits are not matching as per your understanding, but maybe I am an anomaly.
(Is " just my 2 cents " a derogatory term? I thought it had the same meaning as" just my two pennies worth". I am sorry if it was insulting, all I meant was I was voicing my opinion about transits and it may not be correct)
thanks for your help.

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