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Astroskeptic
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posted February 12, 2013 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone, it's my first time posting here. I grew up with astrology and have in the past used astrology just for fun...but now all of a sudden I am spending all my time researching synastry and trying to make heads and tails of my charts with two different men. One who I have been with for 5 years and who I thought I would be with forever - and one who I just met and fell in love with instantly....I never used to believe in fate, or destiny, or love at first sight...but it seems my body does. This has never happened to me before and I am struggling to understand it. I adore my current partner, and don't want to hurt him...but this new relationship feels inevitable...like there would be no way to stop it. Both synastry charts have their strengths and weaknesses, I think I have gotten too caught up in the details and can't see the whole picture of them. Would anyone care to comment on which synastry looks more promising and why? I don't want to break my partners heart for just a stupid fling...but I also don't want to deny myself the chance at being with someone who feels like my soul mate...I don't know what to do! I will try to post the charts here...

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posted February 12, 2013 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is my chart with my current partner and the aspects grid as well: http://db.tt/NA79bTWX http://db.tt/JfZYX1Mc

Here is my chart info with the new guy: http://db.tt/Xe0VHSiz http://db.tt/LoBU1aK0

Any advice you can give would be amazing...if just the areas I should be looking at the most - any problem areas etc. i know venus square saturn in my chart with the new guy is a bad sign, but how bad? and does it cancel out all the other stuff? I am really afraid I am going to mess up my life...thanks!

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Astroskeptic
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posted February 12, 2013 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here is my composite with my current guy which has a t- square: I find that our relationship is mostly about security and stability which is nce ...but not enough about change and growth which is also really important to me. http://db.tt/nJlXwVOn

And the composite with the new guy which has a mystic rectangle in it - I haven't been able to find much out about this pattern in composite charts - does anyone know anything about it? http://db.tt/BHvdqS5H

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starmoon
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posted February 12, 2013 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, my opinion for what it's worth. first, i have your exact placements, so i am picking this based on the guy i would want for myself and of course based on the synastry chart as well. i pick your current bf.

you have a venus-pluto conjunct with this new guy and without a doubt that is putting your feelings out of whack. venus conjunct pluto is the strongest sexual energy i have encountered and since that conjunct is happening in his 7th house of partnerhsip it's more potent. it does feel fated but it can be turned into a powerful friendship and you don't have to act on it. you do not have that same sexual pull/energy in synastry with the current bf, BUT with the current bf you have many more emotional house overlays - his sun falls into your romantic 5th house, his venus falls into your 7th, and your moon falls into his 1st. you have the long-term, basic compatibility with the current bf. plus, he has scorpio energy, which is markedly good for a cap, especially cap moon, i know you'd want security from a guy and he'll offer that. the other guy will not,. he has a gemini moon which conflicts with your cap placement and his gemini mars does not help things either. the energy with him (long-term) won't be there. your mars sign, with the current bf, is compatible, which means fighting/communication can be easily achieved, but with the new guy the mars energies are in conflict and come from difference places. that could mean that once the sexual haze/interest leaves the communication won't be there.

with the new guy it's all of your placements being affected, moreso than him. it's your venus being pulled into his pluto, your venus in his 7th, and your mars in his 5th. while he'd definitely be drawn to/attracted to you, you'd be more invested, it's the opposite case w/your bf - he'd be more or equally invested with you. the new guy also has his venus sitting right on your DSC so there might be some element of feeling 'fate' here, but i wouldn't buy into it, especially since inthe composite you have venus conjunct neptune - very deceptive placement. although you have the sexual connection with this new guy you don't have the emotional connection that you do with the bfs placements. plus, although you don't have that dynamic venus-pluto with your bf you do have opposite venus signs, which (should) make your sexual attraction just as good.

i'm not great w/composite charts, but the composite with the new guy doesn't look great. i don't see any conjunctions to important planets, and the venus conjunct neptune might lead to eventual disillusionment with the partner. with the bf in composite you have that venus opposite saturn (perhaps an indicator it won't get to the forever point), but you also have a stellium with him which allows for a sun conjunt moon, and a venus conjunct mercury which is to me, one of the best possible aspects because it means easy communication between partners. my bf has an aqua venus (as your new guy does) and i have a virgo venus (as you do) and from my experience i can say that it isn't an easy connection - your virgo venus and cap moon will eventually want more than the new guy will offer. if you decide to pick him i'd say it leads to your eventual heartbreak and not his :-)

the choice would depend on what you want. marriage/stability? i'd stay with bf and give it a go. just fun/sex? the other guy.

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Astroskeptic
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posted February 12, 2013 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much starmoon! Yeah I can see what you are saying - the sun square moon thing worries me - like my moon would kinda be neglected in the relationship with the new guy. And you are right - I do like security, stability - feeling safe - a certain stable peace so I can feel strong enough to take on great capricorian creative projects! ...but I also have this deep need for growth and change and intellectual stimulation - my sun and moon don't get along too well...Which this new guy brings out i guess. I did the cafe astrology mathematical compatability thing http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry.html
And new guy came out on top with a whopping 65 points! 87 positives and 22 negatives. That is similar to the Paul Newman Joanne Woodard example they give. Current guy didnt fair as well with 44 (61-17). i know it cant really be solved by math, but i am desperate. You say that new guy wouldn't feel as committed to the relationship cause of his Gemini moon...how does that work? And what about the fact that my sun and venus and mercury and Pluto and north node all fall in his 7th house as well? Is that not just as powerful as his venus on my desc? (He also has juno and ceres on my desc as well - that's not in the chart). . Sorry I am new to synastry...it just seems since we both have venus and mercury in each others 7th that there is an equal venus pull...and tho he has Jupiter and juno and ceres in my 7th I have sun and Pluto and north node in his 7th - so it seems kinda - not balanced exactly - but equally powerful pulls...and yeah the Pluto venus thing is him affecting me...but I have Pluto trine his mars (and moon ) isn't that just as powerful?... the saturn square my venus seems like a problem for me..like he would be controlling? And his 7th house uranus conjunct my sun - does that also suggest inconsistency in relationships? Have you dated someone with Gemini moon before - having a cap moon? Thanks so much for your insight. Athough I kind of feel like my life is being ripped apart, it is fun to learn more about this stuff!

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Astroskeptic
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posted February 12, 2013 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw. I think my venus is libra not Virgo - but I think you are right - I have an intuitive feeling this new guy could break my heart. Whereas my current bf is as steadfast as you can get. It always seems that life comes down to choices between safety and growth for me. I usually choose growth tho - despite my security hungry little moon.

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posted February 12, 2013 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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asclibrasagsun
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posted February 12, 2013 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well aren't you lucky! Getting to choose from two men and all. Some of us cannot even get the affection of one.

Best wishes

Advice: you should listen your heart. comparing synastry charts is like shopping for the better car.

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starmoon
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posted February 12, 2013 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astroskeptic:
Btw. I think my venus is libra not Virgo - but I think you are right - I have an intuitive feeling this new guy could break my heart. Whereas my current bf is as steadfast as you can get. It always seems that life comes down to choices between safety and growth for me. I usually choose growth tho - despite my security hungry little moon.

you are right, i didn't see the mark ... :-) it doesn't change anything about the synastry comparison

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posted February 12, 2013 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Listening to my heart has created the problem! I wouldn't have looked at the synastry if I didn't already feel a strong feeling of love towards this person. But I don't believe in dishonesty on any level - and so i have to make a decision...astrology seems to be a tool that can help you make such decisions...i don't think listening to your heart and using astrology are antithetical to each other.

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Sandra018
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posted February 12, 2013 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandra018     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im NO expert but Saturn sq Venus...Saturn is rigid and old with beautiful Venus- not a good aspect...also why dont you look at Jupiter and Saturn ( sorry i havent looked myself) and what they do with your planets..that would be progress and stability- so you can see what he could bring you in your future life...wish you all the best

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posted February 12, 2013 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Snowflake...i have a question about house stuff and your comment about new guy being less committed. I thought that with planets overlying houses in synastry - the house person was more impacted than the planet person. So for instance with new guy - his venus is conjunct my desc - therefore I see him as an ideal sort of romantic partner. I am more effected by this than he is. Yes? Also I thought that the inner planet person is more effected by outer planet aspects than the outer planet person is...yes?

So I guess what I don't understand is why would you say that he would be less impacted by the relationship? His sun is in my 8th, so I am destabilized by his intensity, his venus and mercury and Jupiter are in my 7th so I want to be one - on - one with him...his Pluto is on my venus so I feel mesmerized by him maybe?

But, my venus and mercury and sun and north node and Pluto are all in his 7th house - so he would feel similar stuff right? And my Pluto is trine his mars so he would feel the intensity as well...I can see why my mars being in a less personal house - 5th house would feel less personal than his mars in my 10th house...but my Jupiter is in his 4th conjunct his saturn there - that's fairly personal too no? It seems rather equal in terms of how personal we feel the relationship is...I guess I don't understand where you are seeing his non-commitment....? Or lack of long term interest. Thanks!

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posted February 12, 2013 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astroskeptic:
Listening to my heart has created the problem! I wouldn't have looked at the synastry if I didn't already feel a strong feeling of love towards this person. But I don't believe in dishonesty on any level - and so i have to make a decision...astrology seems to be a tool that can help you make such decisions...i don't think listening to your heart and using astrology are antithetical to each other.

Well whatever you do, make sure its the right thing

Keep us posted

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starmoon
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posted February 12, 2013 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think the prior post was accurate .. astrology can only show a picture but ultimately it's your heart that must decide. you can keep looking at the charts until you get the answers you want.

it's a debate of sorts as to whether the house person or the planet person in synastry will feel a connection more. i fall on the side that belives it is the planet person who is most impacted - the house isn't a planet - it's just a representation on the chart of the way in which energies fall and how we might be impacted by our own natal placements and others who impact our house. we can feel the energy others bring to our 'house' but they hold that energy and direct it to us. so, the planet holder has the feeling more. as the house person we'd like it, but may/may not reciprocate it. in your synastry with the new guy you really only have some good house placements with him and i think for long-term you need much more than just some house overlays (and yours are not so great.) the 1st and 5th house are more ideal for emotional/romantic connections and the 7th/8th are more about sexual interest and forming partnerships; they are not as emotionally-driven as the first/fifth and will not bring the same depth/romance to the relationship.

two of his planets - the mutable gemini ones- are sitting all alone without any impact from your planets. if you look at the synastry wheel it'd be more ideal to see your planets clustered together instead of his going around all alone. it shows you aren't touching his planets in a meaningful way. imagine now, a gemini sun girl comes along, with her venus in gemini too. he'd have conjunctions and shared energy with that girl that he doesn't have with you. you're not making contact with some very important planets. at least when you look to the chart with your bf the planets are more closely gathered.

in general, this guy's personal planets do just not mesh well with yours and gemini is a mutable sign, which means his interest will come/go and perhaps even stray. gemini men are the sign of duality remember.

you are very libran i can tell and want that intellectual connection/conversation with this gemini guy, and libra/aries are opposites so are drawn to one another in that way. and the fact you're weighing pros/cons shows that indecisiveness. it just doesn't look good for long-term, imo and the fact his moon/mars aren't impacted by you meaningfully shows that (eventually) interest might wane.

this is just imo - it comes from looking at charts of hundreds of married and dating couples throughout the years and seeing patterns is all.

just trust your gut :-)

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posted February 12, 2013 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say neither :/

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KarkaQueen
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posted February 13, 2013 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But even if she has a great intuition she will still be confused over who to choose. THEN as we are confused our intuition becomes confused and scattered itself.

For you and Andrew, his Pluto conjuncts your Venus which results in him being romantically obsessed with you and intensely attracted, his Uranus is conjunct your Mercury so you will have very wild interesting mental discussions (which his Venus in Aquarius will love) and he will shake you up (Uranus conjunct Sun) Also your Mercury-Sun will find it interesting too. Venus conjunct Descendant you two will be affectionate and romantic to each other he will be your ideal romantic type so you of course will be attracted or just affectionate. His Sun is in your 8th house (while having a Venus-Pluto) so he will shine light to the 8th house manners in the relationship, so I'm guessing this relationship will feel different from others and be intense and very shaking and changing for the better or worse. Mars opposite Neptune doesn't sound to good to me IMO, it could result in the two not having a sexual attraction based on each other's fantasies or the other deceiving each other and resulting in violence or...

While that relationship will shake you up and drive you nuts your Moon squares his Sun so he will have a trouble understanding what comforts you and your emotions and you feel unsupported by HIM and your moon is squared by his pluto i think he will overbear you or make you feel stressed by being too intense or controlling

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posted February 13, 2013 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus-Pluto is pretty great,I want to see what Eros and Psyche does.

((Still on Andrew) his Uranus squares your Mars.. the relationship can be sudden and explosive at times be careful

Chiron Opposite Sun-Mercury is kind of poopy you will feel pain and experience it in the relationship but because of karmic circumstances

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posted February 13, 2013 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for Rob his Uranus conjuncts your Venus so the attraction is sudden and its exciting but sadly Uranus person will sometimes feel the excitement of the attraction and goes through periods of not feeling it, as well.

His Vertex conjuncts your Mars so you will inspire sexual attraction and desire in him by fate..

there goes his mars conjunct your uranus, which is pretty bad, could be sexually kinky very much or just expolosive and sudden fights

His Mercury squares your Uranus, on a mental level he will find you abrupt or too unstable.. hmm

His Jupiter conjunct your Venus it will expand your affections than usual in a relationship I guess, your love will feel benefitical to yourself

Sun opposite Mars, you could make him feel like you are too aggressive or controlling and try to change him

South Node conjunct Venus in this relationship you will have to learn to use your romances different but it will be familar to you how different you use it

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posted February 13, 2013 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For rob there is a lot more tension and things being learnt . Should choose Andrew though. WOO

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posted February 13, 2013 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow thanks Karkaqueen. I learned a lot from your posts! Interesting how everyone has such a different interpretation. Yours ring very true for the most part...except that my relationship with my current guy is actually really peaceful...not very difficult at all. It's funny how some aspects play out really obviously in relationships and some don't ...we don't really have the mars/sun opposite energy at all, or the mars/uranus flighty thing...we have only faught/raised our voices 2-3 times in 5 years...but maybe that's because I mostly check my mars...I don't yell or fight much at all - could be my 12th house placement?

But I am curious about me and new guy with psyche and Eros. --- here is what I found:
My psyche is conjunct my sun/mercury and so is in his 7th house with everything else. And there are a lot of aspects -- trine his moon and mars at 0 degrees, sextule his north node at 4 degrees, sextile his MC at 2 degrees and opposite hi Chiron at 1 degree...there are also lots of inconjuncts and quintiles etc.

His Eros is conjunct his mercury so it's in my 7th house with all the other planets and its also opposite my Jupiter at 2 degrees

My Eros is conjunct my moon and so is also sextile his asc at 0 degrees

His psyche is trine my venus at 0 degrees and square my Chiron at 2 degrees

What do those asteroids mean?

Also don't know if this is important. His juno and ceres are conjunct his venus and thus conjunct my desc. All very close. My juno is conjunct his Neptune. My ceres Is conjunct my uranus and IC and thus trine his ASC

Have no idea what that stuff means.

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posted February 13, 2013 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astroskeptic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh actually my psyche is trine his mars, moon, venus, juno and ceres..all within 4 degrees.
And his psyche is also sextile my juno in 1 degree.
There are actuall too many aspects to list between the asteroid...the grid is full.

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posted February 13, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah yes, I forgot -- to take context of the person's individual natal chart as well!

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posted February 13, 2013 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

"Eros is Venus's son. Eros is the cupid. He is passionate and forthright in the approach to love and sexual union. Passion is the key word! This is your sexual energy that is akin or a higher octave of mars. Eros in a sign will show how you will show your passion with a lover."

A very good explaination of Eros!

"Psyche can tell us a lot about ourselves and our own journey, but it may take us some time and thought before we become aware of what Psyche symbolically wants to say to us. Delving into our innermost depths can take some time, and reflection. "

And Psyche as well..

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posted February 13, 2013 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astroskeptic:
Oh actually my psyche is trine his mars, moon, venus, juno and ceres..all within 4 degrees.
And his psyche is also sextile my juno in 1 degree.
There are actuall too many aspects to list between the asteroid...the grid is full.

4 degrees is too loose for an asteroid but how did you get the grid off of Astro.com??

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posted February 13, 2013 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012354.html

Look here, for Eros conjunct Moon and this tells you about Eros and Psyche in synastry in general, I hope it sheds light on you (and for me :joker I usually don't like taking other people's words for astrology as I like to say it myself, I need more practice with asteroids. I've only been with astrology for 2 years

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