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Astro keen
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posted February 26, 2013 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to ask whether I should end my relationship with J and wondered how I should pose the question- using a negative, "should I end.." or a positive, 'should I continue..", given that the outcome would be reversed, so to speak. So, firstly, I went with my inclination and asked 'Should I end'. A few minutes later I cast another chart with the question, "should I continue my relationship". Is this a bad thing according to horary rules? However, as an investigation it should be revealing.

As far as I can tell the only difference is the position of the Moon and Venus in the houses and Neptune has joined Venus. I can't tell which planets are separating or applying. Would love to know what the result was.
First question - Should I end my relationship with J?

2nd question - Should I continue with J?

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EmpressMendez
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posted February 26, 2013 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the first chart would be valid..

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Astro keen
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posted February 26, 2013 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Empress. Would you be able to say whether it is a yes or a no?

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Astro keen
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posted February 26, 2013 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could someone help with the first reading please!

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northvirgo
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posted February 26, 2013 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for northvirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first chart is valid.

You are-virgo-mercuryR-pisces-fall
Mercury in Pisces is notorious to be confused and untruthful. MercuryR is thinking about the past and very confused about Jupiter.

He is-pisces-jupiter-gemini-detriment
Jupiter in gemini is known to be scattered and unfocused.

Its clear that both of you are in each others domicile. Therefore you both care about the other, but both of you are unhappy and are not intereacting, as I see no applying aspects between the two of you.

Fortunately, Jupiter is not conjunct any other planet, so he is not with anyone. He is in the 9 house- his turned 4 house. Jupiter is perhaps trying to stay focused with travel and learning.

Venus-Aquarius has face and term meaning that you are still an important person to him and you still have some power in overcoming obstaclces. Sun inn pisces is peregrine and he is lost and may feel unable to do anything about the distance between you two. The faster planet applies first, Venus is faster than sun, so venus applies to sun. You must be the one to open up your concerns about your relationship.

Venus on a karmic degree of 29 meaning she is about to make a big decision in love upon entering pisces. Venus is exalted in pisces.

Moon is peregrine in virgo and in the malefic 12 house and your turned 6 house, health. Feelings and desires are kept hidden. Moon seperates from venus and squares jupiter. Moon and venus seperate indicating a seperation of love and feelings. Moon applies a square to jupiter, meaning the tension is coming to its climax.

Mars is direct and intends to go forward, in pisces it has some dignity. Mars the planet of action has power to act. Also, Mars conjuncts MercuryR, peregrine sun and soon exalted venus.

Aquarius rules you 5 house-saturnR in malefic scorpio. Mercury applies by triplicity to saturn and Mars seperates. Again meaning contact happened in the past. are you interested in someone else in your past other than J

NO I do not think you should end your relationship with J as you still have very deep feeling for him. Both Mercury and saturn are retrograde and it means to go back and restructure and rebuilt your foundation. For you its relationship communication. Any new ventures taken during retrograde period will destroy the matter. Meaning, someone will change their mind once planets turn direct and gain strength.

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Astro keen
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posted February 27, 2013 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Northvirgo, you are amazing. Thank you so much! It is wonderful to have these insights.

No, I don't have anyone else in my life. J lives in a neighbouring country and we've only met twice so far, another meeting should be happening soon. Hopefully in March.

Does Mars signify J? You've mentioned that Mars has the power to act, so he could make choices, visit etc.

Could I please ask when Saturn and Mercury will change direction and go direct? You said someone would change their mind when that happens. Could it be me if that coincides with Venus entering Pisces? Venus has entered Pisces today, so I could use this potential to good effect, be more insistent, clear etc. Have I understood this well?

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posted February 28, 2013 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Chryseis
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posted March 02, 2013 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear Astro keen, I would like to add to the horary interpretations by northvirgo, and give you some tarot insight into your questions to see if you can see your way ahead a little better in this dilemma. I have chosen for you a series of questions, if you would like to add your own feel free and I will see if I can answer any of them too. In continuing your investigative approach with which question to choose, I have included both:


What is the advice for you on whether to end the relationship with J:

Eight of swords
Nine of wands
Three of swords

Ease off slightly, and allow some space for him to come forward a little for you to see him.

Should you end the relationship with J:

Page of pentacles
Knight of swords
Five of cups

No, you have more involvement to be had with him. You could send him some media for him to listen/view. He enjoys this aspect of your relating and so do you. The media could be video/music - and is creative/inspiring (you have mentioned something about the stuff you work on to me before but I can't remember the details of it. This media could be one and the same, or related.)


Should you continue the relationship with J:

Nine of wands
Nine of swords
The Emperor

Stick with it - there's an impetus present for more. You are remodelling yourself and it is happening chiefly on the inside - your relating will have subtle changes. There's been an imbalance of power in the relationship. In some ways he feels overrun by you, in other ways he has the power over you to send you into despair. In many ways it is a neptunian power play as there is an evasive quality to it - neither really wants to control and oppress the other, but both are trying to support one another - though there is a space of non-meeting in terms of relating due to coming from different perspectives on the relationship - hence there is confusion on both sides.


Is there a contact from the past, other than readers, influencing your experience of the relationship now:

Not really, from your point of view, he lit up some kind of response in you when you were first in contact with one another and ever since it has been pretty much all about you trying to get him into a position that sees you having some degree of control over his actions.


Is there another person from your past, other than readers, influencing your relationship with J:

Five of wands
Judgement
Eight of swords

This is a complex answer, complex due to wondering from what perspective, and includes grey areas, possibles etc. I think what would some it up, is generally there is a person from the past inlfuencing your relationship with him. This is past relationship partners of his. This is past and present people on your side that you feel you would like to prove things too. There is also some general influence of others on him and some of it is present influence.

Is there another person from J's past influencing J's relationship with you:

For both of you, there is - heaps - of other females impacting the relationship. The knowledge of other partners/likes/experiences with them - is impacting your approach and sensation to the relationship. For him, he has less influence from the past, but still has current influences of women on your relationship - however, it is difficult to determine whether he actually knows them or whether they are prototypes - ie. fantasy/celebrity/random others out and about in his life that he sees even if its shop attendants etc (I guess I would have to say that this is the psychology of many mainly heterosexual guys - they are definitely open to being seduced by the sensation of various females that they even only casually lay eyes on. I can't tell if there is anyone in particular).

Is there a person from the present or within the next year, other than readers, influencing you in your relationship with J:

There is! The words and sensation come to me as a 'cop' type of guy. He is quite large, has a strong presence. Could be a Taurean with Sag/Pisces influences. He drinks coffee by the bucket - is open to tea and other beverages. He welcomes new experiences - has children, at least a daughter that he likes to be involved in their life - she gets quite embarrassed by his presence, possibly because she is a bit overwhelmed at times by his concern and efforts for her - she doesn't want to feel like he is looking after her almost as a substitue partner for him. He likes relationships, is looking for a relationship. Is quite self sufficient, can cope being single but really shines in involvement with another. He can switch off after awhile to someone though - in terms of listening to all their details, but nevertheless though he is assuming the listening position and not really that interested, he wouldn't go without that kind of relating with someone as he enjoys knowing that someone is yacking on to him - its comforting. So he coud seem like he doesn't give a rats sometimes, if someone knew he hadn't been listening, but in actual fact he is listening on the inside - not exactly listening to the details of what is spoken, he's listening to the music/sensation of how the other feels about things, and he does pick out key words that sit in his mind within the streams of info. So he would argue, and be correct, that he is listening - he listens to the person, and the particulars are weighed up by what he gets as the inflection/reactions etc of what the other is actually feeling about something.

He can love deeply. He is not a glamour puss though. He does have fine qualities and basically his body is reasonably healthy - could get a little hypertension related to his liver - this could be due to emotional states, and possibly a medication. He can't handle moochers and people who don't make an effort to take up there share of efforts to look after themselves - he likes people to do what they can to try as much as possible to look after their own sh*t. August feels like a prominent time for him in your life. You don't as yet know him. The circumstances of meeting is hidden to me - though you could strike up a convo whilst both waiting for something.

Is there another person in J's present or within the next year, other than you, influencing his relationship with you:

Seven of swords
The Moon
Ace of swords

I would say yes. I know there was a similar earlier question but this time I would say yes. I think he does already know them - he is not fired up for them though. They are around him in some capacity.

What was J's experience of the first meeting in person with you:

Queen of swords
Five of wands
Nine of cups

He was expecting more, he didn't like some of your presentation. He feels he wasted money with the meeting - sorry - (the danger of reading - he might like to sue me for defammation now I guess).

What was J's experience of the second meeting in person with you:

It was better, he knew what to expect, maybe you paid more for it did you? He felt like it was ok, but he might actually be slack about his experience of it if he was talking about the meeting to others. He equates meeting - with almost call girl pizzazz. He liked an outfit you wore though - perhaps it was a flowing skirt.

Will J and you meet again in person:

If J and you meet again in person will it be soon:

Yes you will. You will shock the hell out of him and he has an image of almost running with his tail between his legs looking for a something to hide under. I think it is finalisation of something - you are very official in the meeting and may have papers for him to sign - not sure what that is about.

If J and you meet again in person will it be in March this year:

Four of pentacles
The World
Ten of pentacles

(This can not be ascertained by me)It has its own unfoldment.

If J and you meet again what will J's experience of this meeting be:

King of swords
Ten of pentacles
Ace of wands

There is a pretence to get together, and J will find early into it or just prior, that there is more to the meeting than was first indicated.

If J and you meet again, what will your experience by of this meeting:

Four of cups
Ten of pentacles
Ten of swords

Ten of pentacles keeps coming up regarding this meeting. It feels like a structured element possibly like some kind of financial agreement or trust thing. There is a hurt feeling here for your experience of the meeting, like you are outraged at the lack of sensitivity.

How will you feel about your relationship with J on your birthday this year:

The Star
King of Pentacles
Three of wands

I think this is about the Taurus guy. You are hoping you can move on and develop something decent with this new man - and stabilise/get a bit of perspective on the relationship with J. I feel you will still be in contact with J, but you will have had an epiphany regarding him and the relationship. There is an element again of hoping he gets the message that someone else is going to get what he could have if he had valued it more - so I guess you tend to want to show/prove something to others when you think they have a lower appreciation of you than you deserve (which is a pretty normal response).


How will you feel about your relationship with J at Christmas this year:

Ten of cups
The Devil
Four of wands

You will still be affronted and angry at the thought of him, though you will also be able to acknowledge the feelings you still and probably always will have for him. You are stabilising - and will feel more balanced and emotionally healthier at Christmas.

What is your general romantic reading for the next 12mths:

Seven of wands
The Fool
Page of wands

I think you are still in a phase where you would like to see J, after all, readers don't know everything/aren't always right. You do have some financial things/plans you would like to talk over with him perhaps. You think if nothing else you could have a pleasant interlude with a man that youconsider to be your soulmate - and what's wrong with that you think.

At the same time, you are healing and telling yourself that you are not going to get yourself into such a quagmire again in future relationships or involvements either with him or another. You could have your eye on a younger guy that will be interesting and seems interested in what you are about in your life. There could be a teacher/student element to possible romantic options and a feeling that you might just let your hair down and get involved with someone casually if they wished it - especially if they were younger.

You will have knowledge of the King of Pentacles - Mr Taurus, but eh, you're not so sure you want to get involved with him by the sounds of him.

What is the general romantic advice for you:

Four of pentacles
The Devil
Three of wands

Maybe don't succumb to using sex as a bargaining tool - it will undermine you emotionally. You are really after something you can get your teeth into but for you its more about the person and building a relationship to be valued and maintained rather than short term, vague, and take me or leave me relationships. So yes, the aim might be to tend to your emotional/psychological health rather than your sense of pride. So look to the greater goal of developing a relationship rather than dumbing down your want for a true relating of minds and lives. So not initially offering up what you think will increase the likelihood of getting their involvement, but take the time to see if they want more of you rather than just sex.

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posted March 02, 2013 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot to include the cards on a few of those, sorry, anyway that is what I read from them.

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imeanj
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posted March 02, 2013 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Chryseis - I've been thinking of you, just wanted to say hi!

@Astro keen - Thanks for letting me say hi on your thread.

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posted March 02, 2013 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey thanks, imeanj

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Astro keen
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posted March 02, 2013 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW!! Chryseis, you've answered questions that i had not even thought of. I am very grateful. You have been ultra kind.

Everything you've said is so intriguing. Thank you for that lovely tip to send J a media piece - which would be a contrast to telepathically communicating my anxieties!

The only bit of reading which doesn't fit past events is how the first meeting went. You said 'He was expecting more, he didn't like some of your presentation. He feels he wasted money with the meeting'. This seems to fit the 2nd meeting more, where he visited me and something was off. I visited him for the first meeting and it was fantastic for both of us. We were very surprised at how we connected and at the ease and effortlessness that existed between us. Perhaps the cards are showing the 2nd and 3rd meeting, which has still to take place.

It is amazing how you can describe the Taurus guy in such detail. I love how you always have such a clear sense of people's health! The tarot cards seems to trigger, or hook into a some sort of hologram, parts of which you can sense and see.

Really good to know there is another guy later in the year who could bring about a sense of balance in my life. If I don't become less obsessive about J and me, my life will grind to a halt.

After this grand effort of yours, it would be churlish to ask more questions. I also need to cultivate an ability to cool off and not fuel my anxieties.

EDIT:The advice at the end is very helpful. In fact, all your advice is.

I was recently told by iQ that J and I had a past life link (which makes us soulmates) and had karmic debts to pay off. He suggested that "You can forgive and release him with emotional gratitude for whatever good has come in the few interactions. This opens up the opportunity for someone better to come. " Now how hard is that - I meet the only man in my life after a very 'bad' husband and I must practise unconditional love and release him!! My horary query was asked with this in view.

A VERY BIG THANK YOU!

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imeanj
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posted March 02, 2013 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Chryseis - I've been watching a lot of Downton Abbey. I may have some more questions soon, if/when you have time but more out of curiosity, nothing pressing. There was someone in my life previously that was from the Lakes District and it made me think of you.

And also wanting some exercises to practice reading better, if you had any advice- Horay's seem easier for me to read for some reason/I think its the mathematical element that let's me focus and my guard down a bit, then the messages come thru.

How are things down under? Hug and sending light!

@Astro keen - thanks again. And also, for posting your Horay, etc., learning a lot!

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posted March 02, 2013 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Astro keen, yes I don't know what happened there with the meeting thing then - perhaps some kind of perspective mix up.

imeanj, thank you, things are going pretty good for me atm. Advice for reading, generally the more you practice reading, the more the connections are made as it is like learning a language of the unconscious. And try not to get discouraged when you feel you are not getting anywhere with it - its a creative process, and all experience of it is inclusive, so if you don't feel you are getting good results with your interpretations and things just seem gobbledy-gook, then go with it - perhaps you have some other stuff going on that you need to turn your attention to - you will turn your attention to things as required, whether to readings or to external events, the key is being sensitive to the flow and feeling the requirement to turn your attention elsewhere.

I like horary too, I had the most amazing horary chart the other day, so clear and revealing that it blew me away - wish they were all so fabulous.

So synchronistic for me in the last 24hrs with a number of things - I always find these little synchronistic whirlpools a strange little spirit of change and awareness. I'm so excited.

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