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Topic: Really need help wth horary... will we still be together some day?
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whitewitch111
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posted March 16, 2013 08:26 PM
  
So, for all those who have been talking to me on here, you know i have a major love interest right now, well last night, I tried to kiss him, and he denyed me, he was really nice about it, but I am just wondering if I have ruined our chances forever, can someone take a look at the chart? Is there anymore chance here?  IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted March 16, 2013 08:38 PM
Early asc in 3 degree Virgo.Too early to tell. IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
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posted March 16, 2013 08:40 PM
sigh, okay thank you, how soon can I ask again?IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
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posted March 16, 2013 08:41 PM
Can you atleast tell if it's looking favorable?IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted March 16, 2013 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by whitewitch111:
Can you atleast tell if it's looking favorable?
Okay honestly, I do not know horary too well and I have tried to learn so hard and I just cannot get my grip around. However, I will tell you this - You are Virgo ascendant in the 1st house, ruled by mercury. Mercury is retrograde. You are weak and helpless in this situation and it is out of your control. Plus the asc. is early, so the situation itself has not yet formulated. Give it some time. You should have asked tomorrow, when mercury goes forward... WAIT A SECOND: plus you didn't post the chart correctly... It should be in Regiomontanus house format, you should add part of fortune and the vertex, plus fixed stars... IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted March 16, 2013 09:07 PM
The asc isn't early. It rounds up to 4 degrees, so it's fine. You don't have to add pof or fixed stars if you don't want to, it's optional.You are Mercury rx in 7th house Pisces conjunct Neptune (is this the same guy from reading I gave you?). He's Jupiter in Gemini in 10th house. There is mutual reception, so you both are into each other. He likes you, and you like him. However you seem more interested in him since you're in the 7th. You want to take things faster also because you are Merc. Jupiter is in detriment in Gemini & you are at fall & detriment. Okay, so basically there is an attraction, but he's not wanting to take things fast. He's in the 10th house..maybe he's focused on his career or some type of business? I don't think he's ready yet to offer you a relationship. I also don't see an aspect between Mercury & Jupiter. I will check and edit to see what else I can see.. A square between Jupiter and Mercury, but it's separating by 4. Then, Moon sextiles Sun, but that's also separating. Maybe not the right time to start anything yet. The attraction is present though. I don't know if you are Venus as well, but it's combust. Try to ask again around 3 months from now. Hope someone else replies to see if they see anything I might have missed IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
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posted March 16, 2013 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
The asc isn't early. It rounds up to 4 degrees, so it's fine. You don't have to add pof or fixed stars if you don't want to, it's optional.You are Mercury rx in 7th house Pisces conjunct Neptune (is this the same guy from reading I gave you?). He's Jupiter in Gemini in 10th house. There is mutual reception, so you both are into each other. He likes you, and you like him. However you seem more interested in him since you're in the 7th. You want to take things faster also because you are Merc. Jupiter is in detriment in Gemini & you are at fall & detriment. Okay, so basically there is an attraction, but he's not wanting to take things fast. He's in the 10th house..maybe he's focused on his career or some type of business? I don't think he's ready yet to offer you a relationship. I also don't see an aspect between Mercury & Jupiter. I will check and edit to see what else I can see..
Thank you so much EmpressesMendez, do you ever see anything coming about of this? I've been told by another psychic taht we would be together in April, but I don't know if I've ruined that or not... IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted March 16, 2013 09:19 PM
You're welcome WW. This horary applies to the reading I gave you, remember I said he doesn't want things to go too fast? If it is the same guy..then this horary is saying the same thing as the reading, but there is an attraction. Just try to be patient if you wish to be with him. There's something bothering him, idk. Remember that you may have 'rosed colored glasses on' (you are Mercury rx conjunct Neptune = 7 of Cups) & might not be seeing things as they are. IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
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posted March 16, 2013 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
You're welcome WW. This horary applies to the reading I gave you, remember I said he doesn't want things to go too fast? If it is the same guy..then this horary is saying the same thing as the reading, but there is an attraction. Just try to be patient if you wish to be with him. There's something bothering him, idk. Remember that you may have 'rosed colored glasses on' (you are Mercury rx conjunct Neptune = 7 of Cups) & might not be seeing things as they are.
sigh...all right I will try my best, again I thank you for all of your help IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted March 16, 2013 09:24 PM
Yw, hang in there! He likes you!IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted March 16, 2013 09:26 PM
@whitewitch, throw that original chart up to let Empress look at it. I'm out for the evening, but will look more carefully later.@Empress, ww had a number of charts floating around in regards to this - the second one was something about a relationship lasting, I am unsure if we looked at the same one. I do remember that he did have feelings for her and that something was going to happen within 4 counts. I believe she confirmed the reading via Tarot. Hugs everyone else!  IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted March 16, 2013 09:35 PM
Oh, there's another chart? The advice for Ww from Tarot is to use her head more than her emotions . Become more grounded & more detached from him. Give him some space. He likes you, but he needs to miss you, or be afraid of losing you. Something like that!mGuys are weird like that sometimes. They want what they can't have, lol. If you make things easy they seem to lose interest for some reason. Make him work ;D IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted March 16, 2013 09:50 PM
Not to rain on anyone's parade here, but if he rejected her kiss then it is probably a bad sign : as you said yourself she does have the rose colored glasses on due to her significator mercury being retrograde, I already told you that you are powerless in the situation as I looked at the horary first glance. No need to feed people false hopes.IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted March 16, 2013 09:52 PM
By the way, fixed stars are pretty important, as well as the POF. might want to add that in next time...The fixed stars help to identify underlying feelings that might not be seen otherwise in the chart. IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
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posted March 16, 2013 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Oh, there's another chart? The advice for Ww from Tarot is to use her head more than her emotions . Become more grounded & more detached from him. Give him some space. He likes you, but he needs to miss you, or be afraid of losing you. Something like that!mGuys are weird like that sometimes. They want what they can't have, lol. If you make things easy they seem to lose interest for some reason. Make him work ;D
Yes there is another chart, but I thought it wouldn't matter now, since I had tryed to make a move... I didn't know that one still mattered. IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted March 16, 2013 10:53 PM
Okay, no problem . Well, the readings match. Tarot and Horary both are saying the same thing. There's an attraction, but take things slowly. He's more focused on himself as of now, into business, career, etc. He does like you though, he's attracted to you. quote:
Originally posted by whitewitch111:
Yes there is another chart, but I thought it wouldn't matter now, since I had tryed to make a move... I didn't know that one still mattered.
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EmpressMendez
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posted March 16, 2013 10:54 PM
Not really. Especially if someone tries to misinterpret the significance of the fixed stars. They are optional, not necessary. Someone tried to assume something that was completely off just because Moon was on one of those malefic fixed stars. Completely off.
No one is giving false hopes, just stating facts.Oh, and Ww..it's best not to wait for planets to turn direct (either way it's not like you're always going to get that same planet as asc). Horary works this way: you ask on the exact time you think of the question. Any other way will give you false answers, which means false hope and expectations. You did well in casting a chart @ the exact time you formulated your question. I wish you luck quote:
Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
By the way, fixed stars are pretty important, as well as the POF. might want to add that in next time...The fixed stars help to identify underlying feelings that might not be seen otherwise in the chart.
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imeanj
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posted March 17, 2013 03:58 AM
This was the original chart. I believe there was another one after this one in the thread and then a third. Unsure - @whitewitch was there another before this? I just want to get the ORIGINAL so we get the right answer!
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/006090.html IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
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posted March 17, 2013 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by imeanj:
This was the original chart. I believe there was another one after this one in the thread and then a third. Unsure - @whitewitch was there another before this? I just want to get the ORIGINAL so we get the right answer!
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/006090.html
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whitewitch111
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posted March 17, 2013 04:31 AM
But, I'm wondering now if I messed that up...IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted March 17, 2013 05:01 AM
The first horary only showed you making a move in his direction in 2 time frames - weeks, which you did. To answer a horary about FEELINGS, as your original one was, you don't look at aspects to get your answer, you check RECEPTION. That and house position in derivative houses. The aspects tell you how things were (if they are separating) or will be (if applying). Aspects do not inform about feelings, reception does. So your interpretation on the first chart as a yes has mislead you. The reception between you two, in the first chart, was neutral, you both received each other by face - you probably see each other often, neighbors, coworkers, friend of a friend etc. He is not in love with you. He is neutral about you. Like Empress said, he has other priorities. Btw, the 10th house is his 4th house, so he is mostly focused on his family matters. I don't know how you could neglect Venus though. There is someone else, WW, I am sorry. Venus has been in his house in the first chart and she is still there. He has someone else. And in this last chart the Moon is VOC. Let it go. I am sorry.  IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
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posted March 17, 2013 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by Hera:
The first horary only showed you making a move in his direction in 2 time frames - weeks, which you did. To answer a horary about FEELINGS, as your original one was, you don't look at aspects to get your answer, you check RECEPTION. That and house position in derivative houses. The aspects tell you how things were (if they are separating) or will be (if applying). Aspects do not inform about feelings, reception does. So your interpretation on the first chart as a yes has mislead you. The reception between you two, in the first chart, was neutral, you both received each other by face - you probably see each other often, neighbors, coworkers, friend of a friend etc. He is not in love with you. He is neutral about you. Like Empress said, he has other priorities. Btw, the 10th house is his 4th house, so he is mostly focused on his family matters. I don't know how you could neglect Venus though. There is someone else, WW, I am sorry. Venus has been in his house in the first chart and she is still there. He has someone else. And in this last chart the Moon is VOC. Let it go. I am sorry.
Sob, even though it's not the news I want to hear, I appreciate your help, ah well, maybe it is best to move on... IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted March 17, 2013 10:51 AM
I am really sorry, Whitewitch, I hate to deliver bad news. In the first chart they weren't on such good terms, I think maybe you advanced because there was a coolness between them, so he let you come close. But in this chart I believe he is the Sun, as well. You are barely separating from him as Moon. But Venus applies. They seem much stronger in this chart than the first. It could be their relationship was on the rocks when he might have encouraged you, but she is not letting her man go, I am sorry. Moon VOC says nothing will come of this. I think it would be best to move on, yes. IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted March 17, 2013 02:07 PM
Hey Hera. I thought Moon being in Taurus would not be VOC. Also, when I checked the calendar it wasn't going to be VOC until the afternoon?
At least that's what the calendar said, unless difference of time zones came to play.Yes, turned 10th is his 4th, oops! Forgot about that. I was going to indicate that there was someone else, but wasn't too sure. There is an attraction though, but Venus might be the problem. The email reading I gave her said the same thing, but I didn't see anyone else. Just him being focused on himself and not 'ready' for a relationship. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted March 17, 2013 02:14 PM
Technically, it's VOC. It is true that Moon in domicile or exaltation, as is the case here, can carry through the aspects it applies to, out of sign. The only traditional planet Moon applies to (out of sign) is Mercury, our querent. With a square.I don't see them together, I see her in love with him, in his house, conj Neptune (illusion) and Chiron (hurt).  I don't think it's a coincidence that Venus repeatedly showed up in the 7th. Clearly he has some other love interest. And in this chart, he is exalted by her (as Sun) and she applies to him. Maybe they've only been flirting, but she's been there from the first chart and now things will get serious between them. IP: Logged | |
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