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Topic: Horary Amateur ....Needs some guidance please
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Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 16, 2013 08:27 PM
Hey Everyone, My name is April and I am studying Horary. I think the answer to my question is “Yes”. I just need some clarification.I have the basics concepts down packed, I think. I understand that I am Venus and the Moon (the Moon is also my job), and he is Mars and the Sun. Venus is me, so him and I are both exalting me as a woman and both exalting the romantic dream of being together. Mars is John’s “head” and the Sun is John as “man” (sexual attraction). So he is seeing me as a beautiful woman and the ideal woman right now. In horary, I understand you look for an aspect between the relevant planets to indicate getting together (or a lesser type of contact),this is where I am having some difficulty. If any chart experts/professionals will lend their expertise and horary skills I will appreciate it greatly. Looking for some detailed and thorough observations, please. Thanks in Advance. Are the any aspects that indicate us getting together, seeing each other, communicating each other by phone? OR Are there any aspects that will indicate the possibility of all three happening? I notice the Sun and Venus are in the sign of Aries, not to sure about this aspect. I need some clarification. (maybe a sign of some type of communication either by phone, text or e-mail) Will there be a secret relationship? I just need clarification. (Jupiter being in Pisces represent to me a Secret Relationship) IS there a time frame with any of the Aspects?
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imeanj Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted March 16, 2013 09:21 PM
I need to run some errands, but will be back later to help! IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 16, 2013 09:24 PM
@ imeanj THANKSIP: Logged |
imeanj Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 04:24 AM
@VirgoIf you make the chart via astro.com, there is an aspect chart that is easier to read - for future reference - I feel that the planets you are looking for here though are non-aspected regardless so this may be a moot point. Anyhow, you are Moon and Venus which move faster than Mars, so you are the one wanting to initiate the relationship more. I'm a bit unsure as to why you are getting him to be the Sun? This is what I get thus far. YOU = Libra = Venus = 6th House Pisces = Exalted HIM = Aries = Mars = 6th House Aries = Exalted This suggest to me by mutual reception/exaltation a yes even though there are no aspects. However, Venus is combust the Sun, so I am not 100% sure about this yes. The Saturn in the 2nd house suggest to me there's some risk aversion going on by both parties. Do you guys work together - 6th House - and so there's a conflict of interest - i.e., is this the secret relationship aspect you are talking about? LMK how this sounds and I can look further - its late, so I'm off to bed. Night! IP: Logged |
imeanj Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 05:10 AM
Just wanted to add on this thread in case Hera does not go over this Horay.Quoting her here: To answer a horary about FEELINGS, as your original one was, you don't look at aspects to get your answer, you check RECEPTION. That and house position in derivative houses. The aspects tell you how things were (if they are separating) or will be (if applying). Aspects do not inform about feelings, reception does. [edit] More info http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig6.html Also, take a look at the whitewitch thread just to learn more. GOOD LUCK! IP: Logged |
imeanj Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 05:29 AM
Hmm...*If the 7th ruler is located in the 7th house, the person asked about has little thought of the querent, especially if exalted or in its own sign. From: http://tribes.tribe.net/horary-astrology/thread/1dab1544-55b1-4160-af3b-103941d01b32 IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 06:09 AM
@ imeanj Thanks. What I mean by secret relationship: I'm in a relationship, he's in a relationship us getting together would need to be kept in secert. Yes, with us both being in relationships I guess this is the risk you are talking about. . I’m using just the plainest possible technique, but it works most of the time for me. The key is in the type of aspect of the planets involved. Does my ruler Venus make any aspect to his planet (ruler of Descendent). No. So I start off by thinking “No”. Since Mars makes no aspects whatsoever it’s showing that he is completely undecided.Next I look up Moon – it holds the ultimate answer. If Moon is separating from the planets, the answer is No. If it’s applying, the answer is Yes. So I look at the planets and their significance in the chart. So Moon is in an applying aspect to Venus and that’s now a loud Yes, there is love involved, and meaning it probably because I love him, since both bodies are feminine. Venus (Me) is also in an applying aspect to the Sun, that is another “Yes”. We have the answer now. My love will win. To gain more clarity and answer a question like “Will there be a secret relationship?” I look for the ruler of the 12th house. It’s Mercury, it’s retrograde and thus in an applying aspect to Neptune. The answer is “Yes.” I'm still studying, this is just my initial test. IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 09:59 AM
@ Imeanj If the 7th ruler is located in the 7th house, the person asked about has little thought of the querent, especially if exalted or in its own sign.What does this mean? IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 10:05 AM
If we took if beyond Aries and looked at Taurus, it would show that he loves me for a long time. IP: Logged |
Hera Knowflake Posts: 5583 From: Aries fantasy land ^_^ Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 17, 2013 10:44 AM
This thread is very confusing. It doesn't seem like you asked a clear question, to be honest. That makes it hard for me to assign a planet to each of the participants. Like for instance, if you had your bf in mind when you asked the question, NOT having any intention of breaking up with him, then your bf is DC ruler Mars. I know you said *secret* relationship but I wouldn't look to the 12th. Depends, again, on clarity when asking the question. Do you want a secret *sexual* relationship? You look to your 8th. Do you want a secret *crush*/*romance* relationship? You look to your 5th. If the emphasis is on secrecy, then you can use the 12th. But I imagine you want something else from him, other than keeping him a secret. It's very important to ask as specifically as possible, especially if there are so many people involved. The chart is going to show them, so you have to be very careful in assigning which is which. Your whole interpretation of the chart can go down the drain if your significators aren't right. IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 10:48 AM
@ Hera Thanks for the advice. Do you think it would be wise to re-phrase question and cast another horary chartIP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 10:51 AM
@ Hera Question: If you do cast another chart I'm visiting relatives in New Jersey, so use New Jersey as my current location,rightIP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 10:54 AM
What I meant by being together, is taking it from where it is currently to another level. What does that mean? I don't like labels, I prefer him and I to just be us and if something happens like a sexual relationship then so be it. I care about him a lot, so ideally a romance type of relationship is what I would want, but not with all the pressure IP: Logged |
Hera Knowflake Posts: 5583 From: Aries fantasy land ^_^ Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 17, 2013 11:00 AM
I wouldn't ask again. I'd try to use this chart at its best potential, squeeze any info out of it and not ask for a while. Try to remember your exact thoughts when you asked. From what I understood, I would use your bf as Mars, because he is still your official bf. BTW, Mars is currently exalted with you but he enters Aries soon, sign of your detriment so watch out that he doesn't find out, esp given Uranus in his way AND Uranus being positioned on DC.
John I think could be Saturn, ruler of your 5th. John's gf could be Sun (ruler of his 5th) or the Moon. I'd go with the Moon, to be honest, because it's a feminine symbol and they've been in contact recently. Moon applies to you. You really should be careful about exposure here. IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 11:38 AM
@ Hera Thank You. I'm still studying, haven't really mastered assign planets to other people. Do you see this a being something short-lived, something long-term, something both John and I would want to happen. I am also trying to figure out timing. Like a timeframe that this might happen. I know you mention contact between John and gf. Do you see him contacting me anytime soonIP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 12:04 PM
Since John could possibly be Saturn do you see him initiating anything between us or will it be me initiating itIP: Logged |
imeanj Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 01:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hera:
I know you said *secret* relationship but I wouldn't look to the 12th. Depends, again, on clarity when asking the question. Do you want a secret *sexual* relationship? You look to your 8th. Do you want a secret *crush*/*romance* relationship? You look to your 5th. If the emphasis is on secrecy, then you can use the 12th. But I imagine you want something else from him, other than keeping him a secret.
@Virgo - Clarify your question. WHAT DO YOU WANT? (simply, i.e. if you can do it in one sentence.) Then we can figure out where you are supposed to be looking for the answer. HUG! IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 01:44 PM
@ imeanj Will John and I have a secert romance relationship and when IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 02:02 PM
@ imeanj I want to rephrase question will John and I have a secret romance relationship and will sex be involved. I decided to change it bc I can always develop a timeframe. Current time: 2:00pmIP: Logged |
Hera Knowflake Posts: 5583 From: Aries fantasy land ^_^ Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 17, 2013 02:05 PM
Actually, April, the more I look at this chart, the more I think John is the Sun. You're both in his 12th house - of secret affairs lol. You apply to conjunct him, this means your plans to have a relationship with him. However, Moon catches up to you. That is either his girlfriend finding out or something else, but given that Uranus on DC and Mars changing signs in your detriment, it might be her and your secret being exposed. More so, the conjunction between Venus and Sun happens only in Aries. Sun leaves you behind and changes sign. You do catch up to him but by that time you are in detriment and he won't like you as much because of the bad reception. It doesn't look good, I am sorry. IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 02:13 PM
@ Hera Thanks for the insight. So are you saying a secert relationship won't happen or are saying it will but his girlfriend will soon find out and because she did. He will hate me for. I see the contact being within 14 weeks or so regarding Venus and sun in Aries. Do you agree? Will I initiate this contact or will he IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 02:19 PM
I seem the moon as my job bc we use to work together but since we don't work together anymore. maybe im wrong. I see Mercury as his current. I don't know for sure, and I'm not sure it's even relevant to the reading. IP: Logged |
Virgo36 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Franklin Lakes, NJ Registered: Mar 2013
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posted March 17, 2013 02:20 PM
I See mercury as his gfIP: Logged |
Hera Knowflake Posts: 5583 From: Aries fantasy land ^_^ Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 17, 2013 02:21 PM
You will initiate. Technically it should be 4 time units, weeks or months, I think months because you're cadent, but I think it's unlikely to still happen, to be honest. IP: Logged |
Hera Knowflake Posts: 5583 From: Aries fantasy land ^_^ Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 17, 2013 02:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Virgo36: I See mercury as his gf
No, Mercury is either a brother/sister or a coworker of his. His Gf is either Moon or Sun and my money is on Moon. Moon is not your job, your job is 6th house, Moon is your career and your reputation. It could be a boss or someone who has authority over you, a parent (mother). IP: Logged |