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Topic: For 12Muddy: YTA's Chart
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meissieri Knowflake Posts: 647 From: The Netherlands Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 04, 2013 06:25 PM
Thanks for the bump. I completely forgot to reply again (this... is going to be at the top of many of my posts, sadly. If that's okay...) Ahh you still responded to Muddy and I think she's still away, so it's not too late. I'm sure she'll love getting back to all of these messages!Encouragement always works better than pushing people. I know it's good to let people know they can get so much more out of them than they do at the moment, but it shouldn't turn into controlling. There are times I can't even listen my friends or even people in fandoms online sometimes, with their jokes about violence they'd like done to people they hate. I know they're joking, but what if they really are that light-hearted about it? Does it work for you to try to talk to yourself in a more positive manner, then? Like... giving yourself the type of encouragement you didn't get when you were young. No, of course not. Money shouldn't be the only thing that keeps a relationship together. But did you ever feel like you missed out on things growing up fast. That's true about getting back up. It's just a shame being remembered for the fall. I admit I'm very prone to depression and stuff like this can pull me back in. Which is a Cap trait... Heh. Being a good study helps. IP: Logged |
12muddy Knowflake Posts: 1147 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 09, 2013 04:29 AM
I’m back. I was tempted to stay in the woods forever, but I missed civilization and gas-heated hot water lolRie I’m glad you find it’s interesting =D I don’t know if you can find English translation of this kind of Chinese astrology. Most of the articles in English that I’ve seen are all about the zodiac (rat, rabbit, ox ...) quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: [b]In a man’s chart with True Self in Marriage, if combined with other badly placed stars can mean that he’s “whipped”. The person may have an unhealthy obsession with women, may have the feeling that he can’t live without a woman. In a better scenario, it only means that the person is the extremely romantic kind, always wants to be in love. No, I'm not "whipped." I give in out of love. I don't give in to anybody else in life, not even my boss at work. I'm a fierce competitor and I'm extremely aggressive. This is the part that women don't get. They think I'm weak. Little do they know. If I were to be headstrong, I would never be able to have my marriage survive because my wife is equally headstrong. She would crush most men. .[/B]
I’ve also found the five arts of Chinese metaphysics to be accurate, at least for me and some people I know. I especially like face reading, although I’m not so good at it.
I'm sorry about your daughters. Tang Mon, the death star is in my Destiny and I also have numerous bad stars in Siblings with Triet affliction. My mother had many miscarriages and my younger brothers passed away when they were only a few days old. In respond to this bit, when I wrote “combined with other badly placed stars, I meant that if the Destiny is weak, combined with some water stars or Lust stars (most of Lust/Greed stars are water-ruled), the person will have a higher chance of being “whipped”. The negative side of water influence is that it can make the person a bit easy going/fluid, programmable. He/she might not stand up for him/herself. He/she may dislike confrontation and may do everything in order to keep a peaceful facade. You have Tham Lang – it’s a wood/water star, but the fire Hoa Ky has restricted its influence, and your Destiny is packed with Fire, Earth and Metal stars. Your Destiny house is in the element of Earth, and your Marriage house is in the element of Fire. Your water stars are mostly in the Friends/Subordinates House. I love your posts about your wife. It’s easy to see that you adore AND admire her. As you know, the origin of this branch of Chinese/Oriental astrology is from China. It is greatly influenced by Confucianism. Hence the interpretations from these astrology books are based on Confucian teachings. According to Confucian structure of society, women were supposed to be “followers”, not “rulers”. That’s why in some of the old books, men with True Self in Marriage are often automatically labelled “whipped” because they may not want to hold absolute power in the marital home. They may see the wives as equals and/or rely on them. I can see why this was seen as negative in the old days.
I don’t think True Self in Marriage always mean a “whipped” man, especially when his Destiny is stronger than his Marriage house. Your Marriage house has Thien Phu, like I’ve mentioned, it can mean “the Vault”, or it can mean “the General’s house”. With Vu Khuc – the “General” in your Destiny, it means that your wife is the “keeper” of your “house”. It played out pretty nicely in your life, as you said that you make decisions that are related to money making, and she makes decision in the house. Personally I do feel that all of these books are somewhat “dated” so I do try to give the interpretations a bit of a modern twist. I study the nature of each star, how their energies manifest and how they played out in the old society. Then I use my understanding to work out how they play out in modern society. For the reading of your chart, I’ve included some of my interpretations and I’m glad that you found some of those accurate. People from my birth country adopted this astrology but until now, few have attempted to modify/update it to suit the modern world. As a result, a lot of people have shunned this art and considered them “superstitions”. Lol I’ve written a few articles on the True Self in Marriage, what it meant in the past, what it may mean now. The feedbacks I received were mostly negative; people have called me a crazy feminist. For some years I’ve wanted to work with some of the senior astrologers but so far, no such luck. The ones I know are set in their ways and they see no point in changing. A lot of people in my birth country are still quite conservative. Their resistance to changes has a lot to do with maintaining the cultural values and traditional social structure. I can understand, but I still think that it’s a pity because these people have vaults and vaults of knowledge of the art. Later I’ll post about your Goodwill house. This house is important, and rather complex. Some interpretations can get lost in translation lol.
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lilithpluto Knowflake Posts: 2307 From: pluto Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 09, 2013 08:44 AM
It's so interesting to read the readings!!Can I request for a reading from you too 12Muddy? Please?  IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 6476 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted April 09, 2013 01:30 PM
Her readings are just fascinating!IP: Logged |
meissieri Knowflake Posts: 647 From: The Netherlands Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 10, 2013 04:45 PM
Which one did you miss most? Welcome back! How was it? Yeah, I can't find anything on Chinese astrology except for the signs and a chart. I do know I'm an earth Snake born in the hour of the Snake as well. Haha. Just wow at how you can get that much information out of a date a birth (if that's how it goes?). If we're all going to request a reading, I'm so joining the queue!  IP: Logged |
12muddy Knowflake Posts: 1147 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 10:14 AM
Hi guys Sorry for the late reply, I’ve been a bit sick because of the weather +___+ Lilithpluto, I’d be happy to do a reading for your amusement only Don’t take the interpretations too seriously coz my skill is rather lousy Just want to say that as I’ve mentioned before, the accuracy of the reading depends on the skills, the location and a lot of other things. Also, things can get lost in translation, and this kind of astrology is ancient, so a lot of the ideas do not fit the modern world. It is largely influenced by Confucianism and Buddhism, so a lot of the interpretations could sound a bit “strange” – I used “strange” for lack of a better word.
There are different ways to construct a chart, depend on the person’s birth place. If you weren’t born in Asia, the accuracy of the chart will be a bit off. In addition, this kind of astrology is focused more on men’s charts. The energies of the stars can manifest differently for men and women, but basically because of the Confucian social structure, there wasn’t a big emphasis on astrology for women. So yeah there is a lot of limitations. If you are still willing to put up with my unfunny jokes and atrocious grammar, then after I’ve finished my long-delayed reading of YTA’s chart I’ll make a chart for you  IP: Logged |
12muddy Knowflake Posts: 1147 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 10:18 AM
Today we’ll talk about your Goodwill house. I translated it as “Goodwill” for lack of a better word. These books are written in verse and chants. What a great way to write astrology books. I can just imagine the ancient people laughing to themselves “Let’s make it more difficult for them; their brains will rot before they can understand these”. Sadistic. Lol. The Goodwill house is the strongest house of all 12 houses and it affects them all. This Chinese/Oriental branch of astrology is greatly influenced by Buddhism (and Confucius). Therefore the theory of karma – the law of moral causation, is applied here. In a birth chart, the Goodwill house shows the karma that we inherited from our parents and from our ancestors, karma that we generated in the past lives and in this life, karma that we may pass on to our children. A person with good True Self and Destiny but a bad Goodwill house may not be as blessed as the one with bad True Self and Destiny but a good Goodwill. Having said that, a birth chart is only what we are born with, it is only one of the many elements that shape our destiny. If a person with a good chart does bad deeds, depends on the chart, he or she might not have to suffer in this life time. But his/her children will have to “pay the debt”. Or in the next life, he/she will have to suffer. This branch of astrology advises people to do good deeds in order to ease the “suffering cycle”. Goodwill house is a “double house”. The first part of Goodwill house is the “visible” part, the Yang, the physical state of a person’s existence. It includes his/her inheritances, career, wealth, external environments, longevity and sickness. The effect of this first part also extended to his/her loved ones; include wife/husband and children, siblings, relatives... All of these effects are karmic, they are the results of the way he/she conducts him/herself, ethical values, actions and thoughts. This karma can be passed on to children. Good deeds such as devotion to religion, donation to charity, helping others, letting go of grudges, clearing the mind of evil thoughts and intentions to do harms.... can generate good karma. The second part of Goodwill house is the “invisible” part, the Yin, includes ancestry, ancestors’ burial ground (or the ancestral house), and faith. Your Goodwill House is in Metal Rooster Thien Tuong is the ruler of your Goodwill house, in a Bad position. “Thien Tuong” means “The heavenly General”. It means that in your family, there are/were people who hold/held positions of great power.
Snake, Rooster, Ox are the three compatible signs, therefore when looking at Goodwill house in Rooster, we’ll have to look at your True Self/Marriage house and External Factors.
Thien Tuong is affected by Thien Phu in your True Self house. These two stars could mean great success, good luck and happiness. But in your case, Thien Tuong is in a Bad position and is also affected by the three bad stars in True Self (Pha Toai – brings sadness and disruptions, Co Than –brings loneliness, Tang Mon – brings deaths). Combined with Qua Tu in External Factors, this is a set of three bad stars that means loneliness and death of family members. Thien Hu in Goodwill house is combined with Tue Pha (Tue Pha and Pha Toai both brings sadness and disruptions. Tieu Hao in Good will house is combined with Kinh Duong in External Factors. Again, these brings disruptions, arguments and difficult relationships, loss of money/power/assets... Suy reduces the influence of good stars. Overall, Thien Tuong means “Five generations”, it may means that you have family members who are very successful and may hold great powers. Five generations include: your great grandparents, your grandparents, your parents, you and your children. Although with the affliction Suy and the Bad position of Thien Tuong, it brings great power but reduces stability, it brings money but also illness, sadness and deaths. In the book, it is described that your lineage is “like a great dragon, but the dragon is weakened and caged”. Thien Tuong is combined with Van Khuc in Goodwill and Van Xuong in True Self. Van Khuc and Van Xuong are the two stars that rule academic success, it may mean that you and your family members are people who are smart and have high academic achievements. You have some bad stars in Goodwill house, and as I’ve mentioned before, this house affect your other 11 houses. In the books, this house is seen as one that can bring great motivations. When we interpret your Parents house we’ll see how the stars in that house affect your Goodwill house. People with bad Goodwill house don’t often receive much good karma from their parents or their ancestors. They rarely have a good childhood, although this can be a great motivation for them to try and make their situations better, to provide a better life for their children. Bad Goodwill house may mean that you have to “pay” for your ancestors/parents’ “bad deeds”. Depends on your children house, we’ll see if (and how) it affects your children. Like I’ve mentioned before, devotion to religion, charitable works...etc... can build your Goodwill and attract good karma to ease the bad luck/bad events. Also, the books mention that placing/burying the remains of deceased family members in churches or temples will also help. I have a rather bad Goodwill house, and my father’s goodwill house isn’t something to be happy about lol. My father placed the cremated remains of my paternal grandparents in a Catholic church. He’s an astrologer (or used to be, meh, I don’t know if he still practices it), so yeah.
Your External Factors house has a set of bad stars too. It can mean that other people try to bring you down, hinder you. It may mean “ambushes” from other people, or very difficult situations. I’m not that great in Face Reading, but one thing a lot of senior astrologers have commented on is that when a person have Vu Khuc and Tham Lang in Destiny, that person’s jaw line (the part of bone near your ear) should best be round or slightly square. If the jaw line is very square, if bone structure is visible and sticks out or extends past your ear lobe, this may mean that the person will rise to great power, but his/her friends and subordinates will bring them down. I don’t remember your face that well, and doing face reading from a photo is difficult. Check if your jaw is similar to the above descriptions. Lol I mean this is probably redundant, since you have a great deal of experiences, and the Vu Khuc - Tham Lang combo makes a shrewd and cunning person. But I thought I might mention this piece of info coz I see bad stars in your Friends/Subordinates house and your External Factors house and also in Goodwill house.
This interpretation, of course, is only a possibility. You have good Destiny and True Self, some of the stars in those houses are quite strong and they do reduce the bad influence. I’ll post about the other part later.
Three components: Your Goodwill house is ruled by Metal Rooster, it is the Main. Your Wealth house is ruled by Earth Dog, it comes before your Goodwill house so it is the Left. And your Parents house comes after so it is the Right.
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12muddy Knowflake Posts: 1147 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 10:59 AM
I'm having difficulties editing my posts +__+ they are too long.IP: Logged |
12muddy Knowflake Posts: 1147 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 14, 2013 11:09 AM
Rie yes, join the queue The more the merrier hehehe. How are you ? How's saturn treating you ? I've been reading your stories and I like them a lot. Sometimes I find it difficult to follow and to remember all the characters' names, but it is because of my poor mercury lol.Your comment reminds me that yeah I do like to imagine myself running through the woods and living like a wild animal. I like to think I can do that, but the truth is that I like the comfort in daily necessities too much. Meh. My Taurus mars is in the 5th house – indulgence lol. Those 2 weeks were great, we did have time to visit a tree house in the woods. My husband still likes the beach better though. He likes all types of water bodies: creeks, rivers, lakes, oceans... Lol I like gardening and the trees, especially fruit trees. As soon as the weather gets warm enough I’ll tend to my veggies “garden”. He likes thick, hearty vegetable soup. Last year we had plenty of tomatoes, yams, carrots and artichokes  There are many other factors that are taken into account when reading a person’s chart, some of which are not always applicable. The way that the person came into this life, the surroundings of the birth, the location (on dry land or on a boat in the water ?), the condition of the person’s ancestral burial ground. Fengshui, face reading and other arts will need to be incorporated also. So you see, only astrologers who have mastered all of these arts can give really accurate readings. Honestly, right now there is a tiny voice in my head that says “Only those astrologers should be allowed to interpret people’s charts” lol. True to my nature, I just scream out loud to drown out that opposing voice. Very mature =))
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YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 6476 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted April 15, 2013 04:01 PM
Sorry I've been so slow to respond!!!Been swamped here. But I will definitely respond! IP: Logged |
meissieri Knowflake Posts: 647 From: The Netherlands Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 17, 2013 06:37 PM
Hey Wow, I'm sorry, I forgot to check this thread. I'm having trouble with the boards too! It took me like 6 times to post and now I lost it. So I'm going to bump this up and reply tomorrow. EDIT: And of course <i>this</i> message does get posted. >_> Why not the other one? IP: Logged |
meissieri Knowflake Posts: 647 From: The Netherlands Registered: Feb 2013
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posted April 18, 2013 02:48 PM
Next try! Haha, yes, I'll be waiting. You're going to have much more work to do.  And about that, I know that annoying voice too. It's hard to snap out of it. If the shouting helps, then it's not so bad. At least it's practice, even if it doesn't turn out the way you'd like it to. This is something you do for leisure (and everyone else's), so don't put so much pressure on yourself. YTA loved the reading so far and I'm sure I'm going to like mine as well once you get to that. Saturn's been... okay. On-and-off. The house is being renovated at the moment, so I'm staying at my uncle's for two weeks (he was sweet for letting me stay here). Lots of travelling back and forth to take care of things. I'm totally beat at the end of the day, so much walking!! But I like travelling, so it's not so bad. You've been reading them? Aww, that's cool. No, don't worry about the names, they are pretty hard to tell apart for someone who doesn't know the fandom. No need to blame it on a Mercury sign <3 Sorry if they're hard to follow. Sometimes I get so carried away, haha. Typed most of it on my phone, piece by piece. A little comfort doesn't hurt. Hehe. Maybe you could find a balance for both (this stuff is like my catchphrase, haha). Going off into the wild for as long as you can handle it and then back for a reward of relaxing and pleasures <3 You like a little time going off exploring, don't you. I imagine the Aries/Sag wants to just go off and do it. Growing your own food, nice. There's something really... romantic about it. Yeah. Nom, your own veggie soup. You're tempting me, haha!! A house at a lake/river/something watery would be wonderful, I totally agree with your husband. You guys need nature! IP: Logged |
12muddy Knowflake Posts: 1147 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted May 17, 2013 09:09 AM
YTA, meissieri and Lilith pluto, I’ll have to apologize to you because I won’t be posting in lindaland anymore. Sorry because I can’t keep my promise. And special thanks to YTA, your advices are very helpful. I’ve been working as an intern in an accounting firm and I find out that office work really doesn’t suit me hehe. Although I don’t choose this path, I still think that your advices can be applied in many other areas of life. So thank you again =) Best wishes <3 It has been wonderful talking to you guys. IP: Logged |
lilithpluto Knowflake Posts: 2307 From: pluto Registered: Dec 2011
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posted May 17, 2013 09:37 AM
ooopsss... just saw your post above..  All the best to you... Take care Sigh.. everyone seems to be leaving.. IP: Logged |
meissieri Knowflake Posts: 647 From: The Netherlands Registered: Feb 2013
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posted May 18, 2013 08:11 AM
Aww, that's a shame!! I'm going to miss you and I mean it.  Good luck on any new job you get. Good for you for having learned a lot from that accounting one. Nah, don't worry about the reading. If you can't do it, please choose to unclog that mind. ^^ By the way, that skin advice has still been fantastic. My skin's a lot less flaky! So thanks for that again. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 6476 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 19, 2013 11:21 AM
12Muddy,Thank you so much for being a friend. You have my best wishes and much happiness at whatever you do and where ever you go. My very best to you and yours. Ian IP: Logged | |