posted March 21, 2013 02:19 PM            

First of all, sorry for the mis-hap of my post. I'm having trouble getting around the forum. I apologize and didn't mean to upset anyone.

I'm new not only to this forum, but to horary astrology as well. And my question is:

"Will we get back together this spring?"

I just got out of a relationship and realized that we're crazy about each oher and got along really well... Except for his fears of emotional intimacy and decreasing freedom and my constant push to move in together.

From what I learned these days about horary, the answer would be a NO for the chart. I would be really happy if I were to be wrong though...

I would appreciate greatly your feedback on this one!

Thank you!

posted March 21, 2013 05:43 PM            

And I've been worrying like crazy that Venus being combust and Mars under the beam of the Sun, will hinder the "Yes". Also, Moon being in the house of anguish and loss and making squares to both Venus and Mars is even increasing the fears.

On the plus side, the dignities, the conjunction between the significators, the North Node conjunct ASC and Mars making a nice trine to a well positioned Jupiter might turn the situation to a YES after all...

posted March 21, 2013 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by crys:
Hello,

You are mars, he is venus.
Mars conjunct venus.
Venus is exalted in pieces and mars in aries is in domicile.
So yes you 2 will reconcile

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posted March 21, 2013 07:56 PM            

Likewise, Jupiter is in the 7th here and makes aspects to Mars - I feel this is saying there is someone else. Finally, the Saturn in the 12th means that something is hidden. Either your relationship is hidden/forbidden etc. Or he is keeping something from you.

The trine to me reads more about how your life is going then about a yes - I have asked Hera about Yods, etc just in case you are wondering about source.

it is also possible to consider that the Moon is VOC here - we all have differing opinions on this. Though it looks good that the Moon is in its home here, and making aspects.

Finally, it looks like its a party going on in the 4th and 5th (from a Moon perspective) so I would say if this doesn't work out, there is a possibility for other suitors.

Sorry if I came across harsh on the other thread. It's just courtesy to the person who started the thread to respect their post. i.e. I'm having a conversation with someone, it's weird if you just butt in out of nowhere.

posted March 21, 2013 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
The Moon isn't void it makes a lot of aspects still..

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Yes, but my general definition of VOC is different - i.e. I am not going by if its making aspects or not - I am going by the if the moon is just VOC and if its between 27-3 I consider it VOC. And sorry, was mid-post there - still editing.

posted March 21, 2013 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
Yes, but my general definition of VOC is different - i.e. I am not going by if its making aspects or not - I am going by the if the moon is just VOC and if its between 27-3 I consider it VOC. And sorry, was mid-post there - still editing.

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posted March 21, 2013 10:00 PM            

Calendar here:

You casted this chart March 19th @ 11:05pm.

Here we can clearly see moon isn't void whatsoever at the time you casted this chart: http://www.astroprofile.com/2013moonvoid.htm

As well as Moon being in Cancer, which also supports a moon being able to act despite it being void, which clearly isn't here. Horary is about accuracy, not about guessing, sorry Imeanj. These are just common facts when you want accuracy while reading for others. I know you mean well, but that bit isn't accurate & it isn't fair to mislead another person.

posted March 21, 2013 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Sorry about this ramms, it's for studies purposes.

Calendar here:

You casted this chart March 19th @ 11:05pm.

Here we can clearly see moon isn't void whatsoever at the time you casted this chart: http://www.astroprofile.com/2013moonvoid.htm

As well as Moon being in Cancer, which also supports a moon being able to act despite it being void, which clearly isn't here. Horary is about accuracy, not about guessing, sorry Imeanj. These are just common facts when you want accuracy while reading for others. I know you mean well, but that bit isn't accurate & it isn't fair to mislead another person.

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We've been thru this before. Its like a broken record. This is the calendar I go by as I have said before.
http://www.drstandley.com/April_2013_Void_of_Course_Moon_Calendar.shtml

And she states EXPLICITLY the following:

In 13 years since publishing this website, I have had less than a handful of people call me and ask why my Void of Course Moon Calendars have different times than other site(s) that post a Void of Course Moon Calendar. Recently I had one astrologer call to school me on my translation but yet he/she never bothered to entertain the calculation between the 27 degree and 3 degree movement. I don't understand how this movement cannot be considered when its clear that when we move from one house (residence) to another, we are in the midst of chaos. Many people are forgetting to simply observe astrology and then practice what they learn in the daily Life. No wonder astrology does not work for some people! A planet is 'in the void' when it is in the midst of moving from one sign into the next sign. It only makes sense! That calculated time 'should be' between 27 degrees of one sign and 3 degrees into the next sign. Other Void of Course Calendar's that you may see on the web state the Void is when the Moon makes no other aspects to other planets before it leaves its sign. It is a flat out ridiculous thought process to think that nothing is happening at any given time. I'm telling you folks, this calculation does not work in terms of the chaos and shake up movement as it does when it moves between 27 and 3 degrees. Not to mention THE MOON DICTATES OUR EMOTIONS! Now wonder we get all freaked out when changing from one thing to another . . that involves movement from one place to another. This particular astrologer who called pressed me to change my take on this in order to agree with others interpretations and I just won't do it because it simply does not work like it does when you use the 27 degree to 3 degree calculation. I'm sticking to my guns and that's final.

You know what I always say, "When it's the Truth, it shows up everywhere." So folks, make certain when you are studying your astrology that you can boldly and plainly see it. You will be able to see that this Void of Course Moon between 27 degrees and 3 degrees is OBVIOUS because when it's the Truth, it will show up everywhere.

Look at it this way . . . you know how you feel when you move from one house (residence) to another house (residence)? There is a lot of packing, moving about and just general chaos keeping track of all of your stuff in trucks as it's being shuffled from one house to another. Well the energy of a planet preparing to move feels the same chaotic way. Energy is shifting and it feels off balance and cranky to say the least. This is not the time to sign something new or make a new plan while you are in the midst of change. If you notice in the dark blue areas of each of my calendars I call your attention to the 27 to 3 degree time period. So the degrees involved are 27, 28, 29, 00, 01, 02 and up until the start of 03 degrees. I calculate the start of the void at 27 degrees 00 minutes up until 02 degrees 59 minutes 59 seconds . . . once the next second ticks away and the 3 degree mark is reached, then it is out of the void and the planet has settled into the next sign. Now compare this to how you feel when you move from one house (residence) to another and need to get settled. I have checked some of the other Void of Course Moon Calendars out there on the web and I can tell you based on the time zone they have listed, it doesn't make sense and the Moon is 'still' making aspects to other planets. Go figure.

FROM: http://www.drstandley.com/Void_of_Course_Moon_Calendar_2013.shtml

posted March 21, 2013 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Sorry about this ramms, it's for studies purposes.

Calendar here:

You casted this chart March 19th @ 11:05pm.

Here we can clearly see moon isn't void whatsoever at the time you casted this chart: http://www.astroprofile.com/2013moonvoid.htm

As well as Moon being in Cancer, which also supports a moon being able to act despite it being void, which clearly isn't here. Horary is about accuracy, not about guessing, sorry Imeanj. These are just common facts when you want accuracy while reading for others. I know you mean well, but that bit isn't accurate & it isn't fair to mislead another person.

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It says Universal Standard Time is 21:05*. The charts I go by are EST which is -4, which would make it 17:05, which according to Dr. Standley is VOC

Tuesday, Mar 19 8:51 am
Tuesday, Mar 19 9:00 pm Cancer

*you need to adjust for time zones - you don't know where s/he is, so you use Universal.

posted March 21, 2013 10:11 PM            

Again, degrees alone are not an accurate interpretation of a voc moon. The moon in this particular chart is not void @ all.

Even your calendar says it isn't void.

Tuesday, Mar 19 8:51 am Tuesday, Mar 19 9:00 pm Cancer

posted March 21, 2013 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
21:05 is 9:05 pm. The moon isn't void after 9pm. It ended @ 9pm.

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[edited for clarification because others have asked about VOC - step by step so everyone can walk themselves thru the calculations.]

9:05 (21:05) is UNIVERSAL TIME - located on the chart!

The time on his/her chart reads 11:05 (23:05), but you don't know where s/he is (i.e. what TIME ZONE). This is why you use the Universal time reading.

To get from Universal time to Eastern Standard Time (EST). You need to subtract FOUR hours. I got this number by googling time difference from Universal to EST time zone. Thus, it would make it 5:05 PM EST (17:05) which would be within the time frame of Void of Course moon which is before 9PM (21:00).

Tuesday, Mar 19 8:51 am
Tuesday, Mar 19 9:00 pm Cancer

The reason why you need to be in EST is because the void of moon charts are typically written for these time zones.

HOWEVER, all of this is inherently built into the chart if you use the general rule from 27-3 degrees is VOC Moon - this is because the charts adjust for time and location. This is NOT my rule, this is something I have learned from Dr. Standley. There is actually no need to go to look at a separate calendar or an outside time frames.

Astrology is all based on math and this is why for example in your natal chart, it is important to know not only the time but the location of where you are born when casting a natal chart. Its not just about the time you were born, it also about the location you were born, this is how time is standardized and why we have different time zones throughout the world.

Empress, NONE of us are horary experts, because there are too many rules out there to catch all of them. The more I read the more I cannot believe how many things I need to watch out for!

Likewise, LL is a community oriented forum all of this is just unnecessary. I never said I didn't like you, you just always seem like you are attacking everyone not just me - and forgive me for saying - but its as if someone really hurt you and you want the world to feel the way that you do. I am sorry for your hurts, but I am not the source of them. Please in the future in our interactions, at least try to be a bit more kind...

Thanks, and HUGS!

posted March 21, 2013 10:34 PM            

In the future if you want to make personal attacks about me, feel free to take it to e-mail: [*****NOT FOR TROLLS****]

Just because your friend dislikes me doesn't mean everyone else here does. She/he doesn't like the truth that were being told on their own Tarot/horaries, and so since I might have argued with that person under another of their names, then they want to assume things of me simply because they were bitter over their charts/Tarot.

Moon isn't voc here at all. You can clearly see that as well. The degrees aren't "EXACT" despite the time differences. And it's really something else, are you saying it's void if the person uses universal time, but not if they use EST? Does that honestly make sense to you? Not trying to offend you at all, just seeing it from a logical point of view.

I can show you the post where your friend had a problem when I tried helping with an horary chart. They called me annoying, and pretty much insulted me because their horary was negative. I wasn't mean in any way to that person, neither was I to you when I simply wrote "I would advice against telling someone to wait until moon is out of VOC to cast an horary chart" - I was being kind and sharing knowledge. You and your friend took it the wrong way because your friend simply dislikes me. Implying that I always "rain on their parade" simply because I was honest. Would she prefer me to lie to her & tell her fairy tales? Why? Why would someone prefer being lied to? And I wasn't being mean at all when I told her the truth, so again raises my suspicion that she's simply someone else who made up a name - as well as another user of the forum that did just the same (the other person has 3 different names here and I have the proof of it that it's the same individual. She's even a moderator here)

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Likewise, LL is a community oriented forum all of this is just unnecessary. I never said I didn't like you, you just always seem like you are attacking everyone not just me - and forgive me for saying - but its as if someone really hurt you and you want the world to feel the way that you do. I am sorry for your hurts, but I am not the source of them. Please in the future in our interactions, at least try to be a bit more kind...

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posted March 22, 2013 05:32 AM            

Thank you so much for the input.
My feeling of the chart is a definite MAYBE...

I calculated the planetary strengths:
Me:
- Mars: 9 points (not so bad)
* in aries => +5
* in his own face => +1
* in 5th => +3
* direct => +4
* occidental => -2
* under the sun's beams => -4
* faster +2
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- Moon: 8 points
* in cancer +5
* increasing light +2
* away from sun +5
* in 8th -2
* slower -2
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Him:
- Venus: 5 points
* in pisces +4
* 4th +4
* direct +4
* slower -2
* combust -5
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Others: -1 points
- Sun:
* 4th +4
* peregrine -5
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- Jupiter: 11 points
* detriment -5
* mutual recep by sign with mercury +5
* own term +2
* own face +1
* 7th +4
* direct +4
* occidental -2
* faster +2

From what I saw in the ephemeris, the conjunction between the sigs will happen in 7th of April, regardless of the Sun. His sig, Venus is rushing towards me When it reaches Aries, it will score a perfect NULL, thus being neither debilitated nor dignified.

The Sun being in 4th might be his father interfering but he's not strong. And in our relationship, he was (seemingly) very happy we were together and always looked out for my well being. He may unwillingly come between us for a while.

Maybe when my ex Venus will be cazimi 29th of March, he will have a change of hearts and he'll see our relationship in a different light, confirmed by transits as well for April.

About Jupiter and Saturn, I am unsure about what you said... Jupiter is kinda strong and being the Greater benefic and representing the Master, is in very positive aspect with my sig. I think he will give me the opportunity and expansion I dream about

And Saturn I think is well behaving in his own house. Being in 12th, I think he's bringing to light self-deceits and showing me the reality vs my illusions. My ex and I broke up because we were brutally honest and confronted our expectations of one another. We realized that they were conflicting and that's why we parted our ways. I want him back because I’m going through personal transformations (1st Saturn return!), realize who I want to be and what I want to do with my life and thus, slowly seeing things his way and realising that my expectations were not what I really need. I hope he’ll see his mistakes as well and meet me half way....

posted March 30, 2013 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by ramms:
Maybe when my ex Venus will be cazimi 29th of March, he will have a change of hearts and he'll see our relationship in a different light, confirmed by transits as well for April. [/B]

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Huh... Really amazed how perfectly and to the clock the cazimi worked! The change of hearts started a week ago and happened on the 29th/30th night! It bugs me so much I don't understand my own chart, I only get glimpses!!! I want to know more, what publications do you recommend?

I'll update in a month or two. BTW, I'm a girl Just wanted to make it easier for the next replies .