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beijing07
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posted March 23, 2013 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really lost right now. I don't know if I should be patient and prepare for the battle that I know is coming or should I forget everything I put in with him.

His initials are JT and mine are SD.
What's holding JT from reaching out to me?

I would like a reading. To offer me some insight or some advice

With the sun being in Aries. I know he is focus on self. I don't think his silence has anything to do with me, but I need his presence.

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Twirl
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posted March 24, 2013 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I did a reading for you. I'm going to type while looking at the cards.

What I see for him is that he actually looks at the relationship as very promising. He does see the potential in it for the future. However his behaviour at current is that of letting go, but in the core he sees it as a possible promising and for it to be a for filling relationship. But he will not act on this right now. The current state of your relationship is that of being wary to one another. Rather defensive and taking distance. The message seems to be: 'don't get to close right now'.

How it got this way: I have the 9 of swords in this position which means to me that mostly' thoughts and the nightmares that live in one's mind brought the relationship to this state. Since I put the cards for you I referred this explanation to you. Meaning: it's mainly your fear and worry (and perhaps you spoke your mind about this) that turned the relationship 'defensive', makes him back off.

The instignator of this situation is a focus on devastating circumstances. But I would like to point out most of these 'nightmares' exist mainly in the head. They refer to fears, worries, shame, depression, etc which one can feel completely overwhelmed by. It also points out to me that the focus on this makes him pull away (his behaviour card was the death). Most likely you also project your feelings of fear on him, while not all of your worry is correct.

The basics of the relationship (what brought you together) shows me you actually have a rather fun and playful relationship (page wands) in which you are very fond of each other. It could also be that the way you treat and see each other is 'young'. But perhaps you both are teens or in early 20's?? Or perhaps the relationship started at a young age (one of your first loves?)

What I see for you is that you have the tendency to be very loving. You are literally overflowing with love (ace of cups) and want to surround him with that. Most likely in this case it's too much for him. You are currently smothering him.
Do you see the relationship you have with him as extremely precious? Like it's you two against the world? I also see you would like to hold on to it and are afraid of changes occurring within the dynamics between you. You would like to keep everything the same and hold the love you have close to you.

That brings me to the advice of the cards:
In the near future I see the need for rest and the need for withdrawing. What I also saw in the rest of the cards is you have a tendency to push things at this point. The cards are saying not to do that. I know this can be hard, but he seems to need his space to go through this process alone. That’s also what I see in the outcome position for now. A time needed to be alone (4 of swords).
The advice card was the hierophant. Meaning you should get a higher perspective of the situation. So not to only look at what this means for you and the future of the relationship, but to also look at the overall picture and not to let your emotions take the best of you. He needs to do this on his own and needs the time. The cards are advising you to step back for now. Try to see the full picture (and his side of the story) and be patient. Because patient is what is needed.

Hope this will be of help. Sorry to hear this is all a bit distressing at the moment

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beijing07
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posted March 24, 2013 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Twirl Thanks so much for the reading. You were right. I pushed too hard and he backed away. I did it because I really loved him. Never in a million years I would I thought he would pull away. There is a age difference of 17 years. I don't know if this was like a for love for him, but for me I put my heart into this and now I feel so betrayed. The pain hurts, we go from seeing and talking to each other everyday to nothing at all. Being patient is so hard, but I have been given him his space. Hopefully he will contact me within a couple of months.

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posted March 24, 2013 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do feel like it was him and I against the world because we literally were up against a lot. A lot of people hated the thought of us being together. Which made me fight really hard. I'm filled with fear and worries, but it's good to know that he see the relationship as promising. I do think I was suffocating him and I really regret it now

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posted March 24, 2013 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Beijing,

You are very welcome. Sorry to hear you are heartbroken Always so painful

Is he 17 years older or are you?
As for how he perceives the relationship: I wouldn't doubt the feelings he has (and has showed to you). That was real. He sees the value of that.
Since it was the ace of pentacles on that position I still feel I should say there's no 'promise' that he will actually act on those feelings. Aces always show the potency that is available.

I hope you can soothe your mind a bit. I can imagine it's difficult not speaking to him at all now

Wished I could offer some more words of comfort, but in my experience that never really helps. So therefore sending you heaps of 'virtual chocolate' ;-)

Bye

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beijing07
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posted March 24, 2013 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Twirl Thanks for the virtual chocolate and the kind words. He is 17 years older than me, the situation is so complicated. So, him pulling away does make sense to my mind, but I wish someone could explain that to my heart. Since, he has chosen not to face situation at this time. I feel that there is hope that we will see each other again when he's ready to face situation. There were a lot of so called mutual friends that put a lot of negative stuff in his ear as well. They were literally tearing us apart in so many ways. I don't doubt the feelings he has are real, like you said he needs time. Time heal all wounds, I think that is the message the cards were saying. We both need time to heal.

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posted March 24, 2013 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Wish you luck for now & would love to read how this develops for the two of you in the future.

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posted April 08, 2013 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Beijing,

Saw you posted a horary about you relationship. I can't read those, but would it help if I did you a reading about what is wise? Should you pursuit or let go? Perhaps it can give you some peace.

For the other reading I have done for you, I still expect him to contact you at some point (4 of swords is always a temporary silence in my experience). This still doesn't mean you would be together though as I explained before (the potency in aces).

If you want me to look what's best for you, I'll happily read. Just let me know.

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beijing07
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posted April 08, 2013 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Twirl Yes I would appreciate that. At this point it's not even about a relationship with him, what about the friendship we had before things got all complicated. At this point, I can't even imagine what could possibly be keeping him from contacting me. I know he is focusing on finding work, but for the life of me I can't understand why he couldn't text me saying hi. I question how he really feels about me, I feel so hurt, betrayed and let down. I also feel that he's hiding something from me perhaps. Can you shed some light on what will happen with our friendship, thanks. Besides, him contacting me. Will we continue to be friends. All I know is real friends who actually cared, would reach out. Or maybe this is harder for him to work through. I understand every situation has balance, so if its this easy for me to let go any romantic feelings and focus on our friendship. Then I can only imagine how he feels. Maybe it isn't easy for him to be friends with me due to the feelings. In our synastry he's in my 11th house and I fall in his 12th house which tells me that he wanted a secert, hidden relationship at one point. Maybe his feelings has changed for me, maybe he doesn't feel the same way about me anymore. I don't even know if he misses me. This is so hard for me, my mind keeps telling me to let go but my heart is saying hold on just a little bit longer that patience is the key and that the reward will be worth the wait. Twirl,you have been a great friend. I definitely appreciate the concern.

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posted April 08, 2013 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi
I'll do a new reading in a few hours for you. As for why he doesn't respond: in the 'behaviour'-position in the last reading was the Death card. That basically means he acts in a way to let it go completely (to let it 'naturally fade away' so to speak). That's why he isn't responding to your texts. The reading I did normally reflects a time period of 3-4 weeks.
I'll sit down for you soon & will post my findings after.
Sorry to hear it feels so bad

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beijing07
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posted April 08, 2013 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Twirl Thanks! It makes sense, a mutual friend told me the other day. That he said, he wasn't responding to anyone from the job and that he wasn't checking his emails. I haven't called him, my texts are literally every once in a blue moon, one encouraging text once a month. To let him know that I'm here for him if he needs me. I wish I had a magic remote control so I could fast forward through the pain.

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posted April 08, 2013 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Did your reading. I'm copy & pasting it in right this minute:

Hi Beijing,

I’m going to do this the same as last time; look at the cards and type my impressions. Before I’ll start the reading I would like to say (without my cards) that no man should make you feel this awful or at the very least take the time to ‘man up’ and have a clear talk of the situation so you at least know where you stand. Having written this down, I’m sure you thought of that before, but it can be so hard when you are very much in love. So I’ll just continue with what the cards say at this point
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I can see you still want him (in the cards! I of course saw that on the boards also . As for why you want him back in your life I expect you see him as your future husband. Is that correct? In your eyes he is someone you can build a life together with. You feel he would provide you safety, stability and be there for you on all levels and build something ‘long lasting’ together. The ‘growing old together’-ideal.
For the possibilities on reconnecting at this moment:
I don’t see any action you can take now to get him back to you. The situation is out of your hands and the key actually lies in you releasing the situation, given it ‘to the universe to take over’ so to speak. That’s what I gained from the World card. Many meanings of course, but on this position I read it as endings and moving on.
Why the cards are advising you this:
The mayor obstacle is the chariot; he has locked his emotions out (what you already noticed) and it practising his willpower. Whatever he did set his mind too (perhaps his marriage, because the next card is the Queen of Pentacles) this will be his path. Keeping himself under control and focussing on what he thinks is best. For you that would mean it’s impossible to get him to open up. He would be completely stubborn, would not let himself distracted and will not be open to your approach. Also the queen of cups came up here as a clarifier. Is his wife a queen of cups type? The sensitive, more emotional female?

If you would pursuit and push at this point it will for certain not give you the satisfaction that you seek. Cards showing: hermit, 9 of cups + 7 of pentacles. He won’t let you in right now. He is searching deep within himself how this situation occurred and looking for answers. He is preoccupied with his own emotions at the time and he is not willing to share them at this point. Nine of cups fella is in my experience quite often content with himself and protecting his emotions. He doesn’t fold his arms over his chest without a reason. I still can’t see what action he will take towards you in the end. I can see he is not satisfied with himself and the situation he is in (with you and his wife I assume), but he just doesn’t know if and how he will take action it. It will take a long time before he decides. Meaning: if you would push yourself on him at this point he a) don’t think he will let you (the cards show no reason to think that). And b)even if you did, he is going to wonder (and doubt and ponder) if this was the correct decision. So he wouldn’t be content with a relationship with you (but again: I don’t think he will even let you in at this point). He still needs his inward journey & shutting of his emotions while over thinking how he wants to move forward. Bottom line: he is not ready and you can’t make him.
Overall advice:
So actually I still don’t see an outcome for the two of you being together as for now. Which was what you wanted to know in the first place. The cards are definitely telling me you should move forward, complete this phase and let him go. The cards advice you to reconnect with your inner strength. Nurture yourself and your emotions (instincts), because the Strength did also show up.

Funnily enough ‘the key’ the cards show me in this situation is that you can only gain what you want by moving on and really letting this go. Meaning: for you to even give this relationship a chance, you must move on and let go. Putting your needs and your life first. That could work both ways: so basically when you are (really) moving on with your life, reconnecting with yourself and what you value and taking care of that, it might (might!) get him to want to reconnect with you when he picks up on that. And then the main question will be: would you still want him back after you started taking care of yourself and basically moved on.
Hope this will be of help! Good luck!

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beijing07
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posted April 08, 2013 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Twirl Thanks! Moving on is what I must do. Accept it for what it is and let go. I feel relief because I knew this needed to be done,was too coward to do it. I do feel he is the ONE. When we initially got laid off, she threatened to kick him out of the house, to avoid this he started kissing her ass to keep her happy. He always described his wife as Harsh, a raging bull, he said he felt like he is in prison being with her. He is a very materialistic guy and he owes her $$$ and she reminds him of that constantly. He use to say he hated how wife belittled him in front of their friends. So I think it's best for him to stay with her. It's safe to say, it's too many feelings involved to remain friends. I never wanted him to chose between me and wife. All I ever wanted was for us to be friends, I hate that we even developed feelings for one another. It complicated everything. Thanks Twirl. I'm letting on and focusing on myself and my own family. I guess he is going through what I'm going through. I ask the same thing: how did this happen? Never in a million years would I ever thought I would have feelings for another man.

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posted April 08, 2013 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad it helped you. Do I understand correctly thay you are also married?
As for the Queen of cups, it doesn't sound like his wife then. Your description sounds more like a queen of wands reversed type.
Perhaps it came up as a family situation... A situation where a soft approach is needed. I'm not sure. Are there any children involved?
Wish you good luck in moving forward

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beijing07
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posted April 08, 2013 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think his path and focus is on finding work. I know his wife is putting pressure on him to find work. At this point, he has been employed for 4months and summer is right around the corner. He is not the type that likes to be out of work. He's 49, so I know he is feeling like if I don't bring any income in soon. This maybe it for me type feeling for him. He use to brag about making $ 600,000 a year. He has never been unemployed before and especially not for this long. I think initially he was looking through rise colored glasses about work situation. His wife income is the only source of income. She has a very prominent position and makes a lot of money, meaning he isn't feeling like a man watching her pay all the bills

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posted April 08, 2013 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Twirl yes, I'm married. I have two kids. He doesn't have any kids, his wife has two but he isn't the father. The wife two kids are grown, he actually paid for their college and their tutution.

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posted April 08, 2013 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the additional info Are you more of the Queen of cups type? A natural carer? Emotional? In general children and happiness (of the home) would come first? Very providing on an emotional level?

Edit: also your description of the job situation fits with the chariot. An outward focus on succes.
If you are more of a queen of cups type I think he 'took that in' with his decision to 'shut of'. Looking at your family position and your role as a mother. Just some thoughts, because court cards usually don't show up as a situation for me.

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posted April 08, 2013 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Twirl Thanks for the extra insight. All in all one big complicated situation

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posted April 08, 2013 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can imagine! Did that ring truth though? The last bit on the queen. If not, I would also love to hear.
Again, wish you all the best

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posted April 08, 2013 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beijing07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the queen of cups would true. I'm very loving, caring, a natural nurturer. I think it's fear that keeping him from facing the situation. Fear of facing emotions, fear of feeling foolish. I know that all of his previous relationships he got hurt pretty bad causing him to close his heart hence being stubborn with his emotions.

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