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T.Diva
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posted January 31, 2012 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all! I'm new to the site. I'm pretty comfortable with my birth chart, but I put in some of the asteroids and now, well... let me just post it. With my Sun, Ascendant, Eros, Psyche, and Neptune all so close together I'm having a hard time seeing what's going on in there. I know they are not "traditional" conjunctions but they are just all bunched up! (also, if anyone wants to help me out with a seriously hard-for-me to decipher synastry chart, I'll post that later.)

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T.Diva
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posted January 31, 2012 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone? Bueller?

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iQ
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posted February 01, 2012 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear T.Diva,
I think you emailed me?
There are about 15 pertinent Asteroid aspects in your chart which I will be explaining.

From the chart you posted, PSYCHE conjunct Ascendant becomes very important. The Theme from the Myth of Psyche has lessons for you, and remarkably, Eros is very much conjunct.

Those with a conjunction of SoulMate Pair Asteroids like PSYCHE+ EROS or ISIS + OSIRIS are destined to find their true love Soulmates or even Twin Flames in this very incarnation.

Your Sun is in the Sabian degree of Ancient Egypt, I will elaborate more about that in the full Natal reading for you.

When PSYCHE is in the 12th, the Subconscious Mind can be impressed with positive affirmations to attract your true love.
Why should this be done?
Since Sun and Neptune are also in 12th, and Neptune in 12th is a depression trigger during harsh transits, you will lose focus on your Need to be genuinely loved unless you stay positive and committed to this need [or rather karmic reward].

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T.Diva
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posted February 01, 2012 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I am the one that emailed you! I've been confused by a lot of things going on in my life lately.

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I can't interpret your asteriods, but just wondered have you researched your venus singleton?

Basic astrology forum, retrogrades,Unaspected & Singletons http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Basic+Astrology&number=12&DaysPrune=

I would discount your moon square saturn aspect at 10' separating as too wide. I tend to reduce the orb ratio on astro down to 85% to bring in line with more mainstream views...

North Node in Sagg in 1st suggests that this lifetime you are or should be coming away from relationships/partnerships and putting yourself first and foremost, learning about your own individuality in Saggi ways ie: study, travel, legal matters, foreigners, higher education, relgiion and all 9th house matters..
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house9

to further reinforce this Saturn retrograde in 7th suggests delays in commitments, older father figure types. Maybe father was missing from early childhood or simply inefferctual at setting boundaries and structures?

I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from astro and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

Within the mainstream are placidus/equal houses (the default on astro is placidus) only difference being some planets may move from one house to another thereby altering it's interpretation and it's 'only' with research will you find which /planets 'fit you' in which houses. So my advice, do two charts, research any planets that move houses and see which you identity with - simple

Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAwGtMWl4z4

So moon and mars can be intrepreted as if in 4th & 5th houses. Mercury would be in 12th house, which will add secretiveness.
Mercury only has two aspects and one of them is quincunx to mars

Pluto would be 10th and uranus 11th. do you have unusual friends? or maybe they have unsual hobbies..

Mercury Quincunx Mars
“General circumstances as well as other people encourage your reach to exceed way beyond your grasp. Anger and impulsiveness carries you way beyond your resources. Left in a highly overextended position, you can end up wasting immense amounts of energy trying to do what you said you would do, or running away from situations you created through lack of forethought. Recognition that your ideals are different from the actual circumstances sets you in the right direction.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

venus is in detriment in cappi and square to uranus, is a divorce aspect

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posted February 01, 2012 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I've been confused by a lot of things going on in my life lately.
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We will explore every astrological angle possible for clarity, do not worry.

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T.Diva
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posted February 01, 2012 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks SaggiMC! I don't have any father figure issues,my dad and I are close and always have been. I found my husband at an early age too (15) and we are still together and happy. One thing that is spot on is that my friends are unusual and we all have unusual hobbies!

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posted February 02, 2012 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 02, 2012 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iQ wrote:
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Those with a conjunction of SoulMate Pair Asteroids like PSYCHE+ EROS or ISIS + OSIRIS are destined to find their true love Soulmates or even Twin Flames in this very incarnation.
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Voila. Ascendant conjunct EROS conjunct PSYCHE has blessed you with a happy long term relationship.

I will be sending you the first detailed report by tomorrow.

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posted February 02, 2012 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much iQ! I'm looking forward to reading it!

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posted February 02, 2012 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 02, 2012 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
iQ wrote:
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Those with a conjunction of SoulMate Pair Asteroids like PSYCHE+ EROS or ISIS + OSIRIS are destined to find their true love Soulmates or even Twin Flames in this very incarnation.


Sorry for butting in here, but does that mean there is hope for me yet with ISIS conjunct OSIRIS conjunct Venus and SPIRIT?


T-Diva,

that Psyche-Eros on ASC really looks amazing. And I notice you also have Sun trine Moon in waterhouses, which both co-ruler your 8th house. I think that would further emphasise that you probably are having quite some deep soulful experiences, be it that you meet a soulmate or are simply very attuned to anything that relates to the psyche, soul or emotions.

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posted February 02, 2012 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceridwen,
Ofcourse there is plenty of hope for you but at the same time you have to ensure you have cleared any limiting beliefs about your success in relationships. Limiting beliefs sustained during difficult transits can override good astrological aspects/transits.

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posted February 02, 2012 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceridwen! I actually do think I have had some very deep soul experiences. I have a best friend that is closer than a sister, and I lost another close friend 5 years ago but, well, he's not gone. Thanks so much for your input!

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posted February 03, 2012 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
Hi Ceridwen,
Ofcourse there is plenty of hope for you but at the same time you have to ensure you have cleared any limiting beliefs about your success in relationships. Limiting beliefs sustained during difficult transits can override good astrological aspects/transits.

Hi IQ,

I think you are right, about the limiting beliefs.

I hope things might get a bit easier now, after having been through Tr Saturn squaring all my Sag planets, while in Virgo, then moving on to squaring my Venus and conjunct my Pluto, squaring my Saturn and opposing my Chiron and sqaring my Eros and Sun/Moon-mp while in Libra.

There might be "down-periods" and tension when Tr Saturn is going to hit natal Uranus and probably the time around it being square my Moon (when he is on 17 Scorpio), will be kinda frustrating, but apart from that he should be sparing me any harsh transits for the time to come.
It`s funny how I experience the harshest Pluto-transits as "fun" or at least as very rewarding (from a greater perspective), but really have issues with Tr Saturn making squares or oppositions, especially to Node, Neptune, Sun, Moon or Chiron.


T-Diva,
I am sorry too hear that about the loss of your friend.
But yes, I think it makes sense that you would be very close to some friends. Probably some of them even may be from your soulgroup.


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posted February 04, 2012 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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iQ wrote:
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Those with a conjunction of SoulMate Pair Asteroids like PSYCHE+ EROS or ISIS + OSIRIS are destined to find their true love Soulmates or even Twin Flames in this very incarnation.
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Just curious question, what if one has a SoulMate Pair Asteroids like PSYCHE+ EROS or ISIS + OSIRIS in natal chart and have high chance of finding their true love but what if that true love doesn't have that aspect in his/her chart? Wouldn't it contradict? Doesn't it mean the two soulmates have to have the same soulmate pair asteroids to make this more valid?

Just thinking thoughts aloud and learning..

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posted February 04, 2012 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good and intelligent question [not surprised, as I just completed your full natal chart report ]

People attract a Soul Mate who will enhance their spiritual evolution. This is a matter decided from our Higher Self/Superconscious State.

If we have to settle tons of karmic debts, and we yet have the True Love placements in Natal [like Eros conjunct Psyche, or Isis conjunct Osiris in my own case], our partner will have
a) Saturn exactly aspecting our love asteroids [JUNO is also powerful in this case as Ceridwen's research is showing]
or
b) Saturn aspecting our own Saturn and karmic objects plus a mirror aspect of the love Asteroids.

I should put up the synastry of me and my wife here, it is an excellent example.

I have ISIS conj OSIRIS exact.
Her Saturn squares my Saturn and her Ascendant squares my Ascendant exact.
But she also has ISIS conjunct OSIRIS exact.

This kind of repeat aspect definitely helps relationships.


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T.Diva
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posted February 04, 2012 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that's really fascinating. I hadn't thought about Saturn aspecting those conjunct asteroids.

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posted February 04, 2012 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
Very good and intelligent question [not surprised, as I just completed your full natal chart report ]

Many thanks for the speedy report again! Greatly appreciated!

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People attract a Soul Mate [who will enhance their spiritual evolution. This is a matter decided from our Higher Self/Superconscious State.

If we have to settle tons of karmic debts, and we yet have the True Love placements in Natal [like Eros conjunct Psyche, or Isis conjunct Osiris in my own case], our partner will have
a) Saturn exactly aspecting our love asteroids [JUNO is also powerful in this case as Ceridwen's research is showing]
or
b) Saturn aspecting our own Saturn and karmic objects plus a mirror aspect of the love Asteroids.

I should put up the synastry of me and my wife here, it is an excellent example.

I have ISIS conj OSIRIS exact.
Her Saturn squares my Saturn and her Ascendant squares my Ascendant exact.
But she also has ISIS conjunct OSIRIS exact.

This kind of repeat aspect definitely helps relationships.


Thanks for the explanation! You and your wife are so lucky to have that True Love Placement respectively.

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T.Diva
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posted February 05, 2012 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T.Diva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I have Sun/Asc/Eros/Psyche conjunct if I'm looking right... I've read a lot about Sun/Asc, Sun/Eros, and Asc/Eros but how does Psyche come into play?

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Ibringyouasong
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posted March 27, 2013 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ibringyouasong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone! I'm fairly new here, though I've been a secret lurker for some time now. This post here has intrigued me so much - though I've never believed in the power of asteroids before. I've been trying to decipher things on my own, but I keep getting led back to here, so I figured I would take a shot at it. I went and did some natal chart digging - especially with the specific asteroids in mind that were mentioned in these posts - and came up with this photograph, courtesy of the same site that was used to generate this post:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_2ast_01_kimberly_spencer.16893.13431.gif&res=100&va=&cid=t4pfilepHIhmY-u1364340835

If you have a problem viewing the chart, just let me know and I will try to list them.

For the most part, there seems to be no interactions between Psyche/Eros or Osiris/Isis. Does this mean that I am not destined to meet my True Love in this incarnation? Because, since the day I was born, I've always felt like I've been waiting for the person who is destined to be with me. Am I crazy or delusional or what? lol.

Also, do any of these asteroids have anything to do with Past Lives, Clairvoyant Abilities, or perhaps Fate (in all of its mythic improvising agenda)? Thank you so much for all of your time and effort to help me out. I appreciate it!

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posted March 27, 2013 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome! This should be in Personal Readings. Moving it to there.

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