posted April 20, 2013 02:21 AM            

Synastry:

Composite:

posted April 20, 2013 03:44 AM            

Let's start with what immediately jumps out:

Pluto-Sun-Node.

This is a synastric configuration in the 8H, which is always karmically significant. A soul link. It's furthered by the natal Sun-Pluto-Mars. There's a driving force; it's passionate, but requiring temperance and direction. Otherwise, it can simply be aggressive - too hard to contain.

The Blue partner (I'm hazarding to guess it's him) is not receiving the connexion sought, however. His major personal points are all chunked together in Aries and only receiving an opposition from Venus. This is the fear of all attraction but lacking substance. Still, the Venus in 7H placement presents you as the image of an ideal partner. The trouble is ... it may be just an image here.

Neotune-Moon sextile lends understanding and empathy. You clearly get a fated sense from him, and feel understood.

Trouble is, your direction confuses him: your Node-Neptune-Uranus seems too unfocussed for his spearheading Aries Sun. He may feel you're too scattered. If you can get him to listen more to the underlying currents and less to the words, you can provide HIM with great direction and personal growth - you just have to find YOURS first.

Karma-Karma opposition inclines you both to explore and balance the karma between you - possibly relating to a past love relationship (Venus trine Node), though it's not seeking an urgent balancing.

There is genuine friendship between you; a path exists to greater connexion via your Jupiter trine his Venus. Warmth, generosity of spirit, friendship and good humour can help you gain access to his more affectionate side.

While I can't tell from just the chart, your Pluto may also be quindeciling his Sun - maybe more. That would lend an obsessive-compulsive quality to your attraction.

posted April 20, 2013 04:02 AM            

Your composite is interesting. There's definite bonding as evidenced by the stellium; but it's a complex stellium. Vertex-Jupiter indicates coming together for the purpose of ideology or even just friendship. To bring joy. You also may've met in a class or place of learning.

Pluto-Karma indicates an intense karma that needs sorting. This could be a betrayal, cataclysmic event, or other powerful ordeal.

It's also apart from the rest of the chart, demanding attention, from the 7H: openly through some sort of relationship.

The closest point to the Sun is Mercury. This can give a feeling of siblings - familiarity and similarity. Lots of communication. One might call this kind of karma 'sibling rivalry', as you're trying to balance something that occurred between peers from the past, also possibly family. (Chiron in the 4H opposing Saturn is a further indicator if past wounds relating to family. An authority figure may have been involved.)

Mars-Uranus-Neptune completes the stellium in the 9H (again linking you to learning, education, even publishing and formal debate - the courts of law) creating an intense but confused energy. There may have been a deception - of a woman, or by a woman (Venus opposite from the 3H - more sibling vibe) acting alone (singleton planet) which caused strife, discord, potential loss of status. Foreign countries and those from abroad may also have featured.

Neptune saps Mars' drive, and Uranus creates an erratic behaviour. Sudden reversals and poorly executed plans could've led to this. Confusion and disappointment resulting from too much scattered energy - likely yours.

The Pisces Moon trines Karma-Pluto. You have the gift if dreams, sympathy, imagination, and creativity - forgiveness - to balance this intensity.

Putting it together, I'd wager you were siblings; brother and sister. Your father was involved, and the family fell to ruin very quickly and mysteriously. You're back together now to help this person find direction once you've learnt how to direct your own wild, dissipating energies. This will be a strength for you in your relationships (DSC) and his career (MC) until then, it could be a liability. Likely attracting the wrong partners who are erratic, addicted, overly dreamy, with big plans and no foundation for them.

That's a rough sketch. Just reading what I see. Hope it shed some light for you. You can always go much more in depth; that's just cursory gleaning.

posted April 22, 2013 06:11 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yes, absolutely.

Let's start with what immediately jumps out:

Pluto-Sun-Node.

This is a synastric configuration in the 8H, which is always karmically significant. A soul link. It's furthered by the natal Sun-Pluto-Mars. There's a driving force; it's passionate, but requiring temperance and direction. Otherwise, it can simply be aggressive - too hard to contain.

The Blue partner (I'm hazarding to guess it's him) is not receiving the connexion sought, however. His major personal points are all chunked together in Aries and only receiving an opposition from Venus. This is the fear of all attraction but lacking substance. Still, the Venus in 7H placement presents you as the image of an ideal partner. The trouble is ... it may be just an image here.

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Yes, you're right. I am indeed on the outer circle. With the sun-node connection, I think I can resonate with the theory that the planet person feels the connection more than the node person.

What did you mean by fear of receiving all attraction and lacking substance?

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Neotune-Moon sextile lends understanding and empathy. You clearly get a fated sense from him, and feel understood.

Trouble is, your direction confuses him: your Node-Neptune-Uranus seems too unfocussed for his spearheading Aries Sun. He may feel you're too scattered. If you can get him to listen more to the underlying currents and less to the words, you can provide HIM with great direction and personal growth - you just have to find YOURS first.

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actually, I think that he is the more unfocused and scattered one between us, truthfully speaking XD But that doesn't mean I hate him for that though. But I do relate to the part about growth. I think that's very true.

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Karma-Karma opposition inclines you both to explore and balance the karma between you - possibly relating to a past love relationship (Venus trine Node), though it's not seeking an urgent balancing.

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I don't think it's a past love relationship. There's this sibling vibe between us, just like you said in your post below. I have always felt that way, although I was romantically attracted to him at some point but later I realized, there was a thin line between distinguishing romantic feelings from platonic. It just sort of hit me. Lol

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There is genuine friendship between you; a path exists to greater connexion via your Jupiter trine his Venus. Warmth, generosity of spirit, friendship and good humour can help you gain access to his more affectionate side.

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Yes, that is true. We instantly clicked the moment we met. We feel VERY comfortable with each other that's why I thought that maybe we had a karmic bond in the past. There is this familiar feeling that I can't explain where it's coming from.

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While I can't tell from just the chart, your Pluto may also be quindeciling his Sun - maybe more. That would lend an obsessive-compulsive quality to your attraction.

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Well, the fact that I'm here figuring out our chart would probably point to that, wouldn't it?

Oh, and one last thing, aren't quincunxes also considered 'karmic'? I just noticed the frequency of those broken, green lines in the synastry chart. Maybe our meeting right now is really meant to be, after all?

posted April 22, 2013 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Oh - and I'm just assuming it's a guy. If not, then there could be relational aggression and competition between you and another female (typically how Pluto manifests: power struggles.)

Your composite is interesting. There's definite bonding as evidenced by the stellium; but it's a complex stellium. Vertex-Jupiter indicates coming together for the purpose of ideology or even just friendship. To bring joy. You also may've met in a class or place of learning.

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Yep, he is a guy. We definitely have a special kind of friendship. He is the only guy I have this kind if close relationship with. But nope, we actually met during a local festival, and that was when t. Uranus opposed my natal venus exact, just like this chart. XD

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Pluto-Karma indicates an intense karma that needs sorting. This could be a betrayal, cataclysmic event, or other powerful ordeal.

It's also apart from the rest of the chart, demanding attention, from the 7H: openly through some sort of relationship.

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I don't quite understand the part about 'openly through some sort of relationship' part? I hope there's no betrayal.. I don't wanna lose a friend like him

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The closest point to the Sun is Mercury. This can give a feeling of siblings - familiarity and similarity. Lots of communication. One might call this kind of karma 'sibling rivalry', as you're trying to balance something that occurred between peers from the past, also possibly family. (Chiron in the 4H opposing Saturn is a further indicator if past wounds relating to family. An authority figure may have been involved.)

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True, I feel like he's the brother I never had, sans the rivalry. I love him (platonically) too much for that lol

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Mars-Uranus-Neptune completes the stellium in the 9H (again linking you to learning, education, even publishing and formal debate - the courts of law) creating an intense but confused energy. There may have been a deception - of a woman, or by a woman (Venus opposite from the 3H - more sibling vibe) acting alone (singleton planet) which caused strife, discord, potential loss of status. Foreign countries and those from abroad may also have featured.

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Is this referring to the possible past or the present?

Presently, foreign countries are involved. We arr of the same nationality but he grew up in another country.

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Neptune saps Mars' drive, and Uranus creates an erratic behaviour. Sudden reversals and poorly executed plans could've led to this. Confusion and disappointment resulting from too much scattered energy - likely yours.

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Well, okay, probably I do have scattered energy but like I said above, his energy is more.scattered than mine.

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The Pisces Moon trines Karma-Pluto. You have the gift if dreams, sympathy, imagination, and creativity - forgiveness - to balance this intensity.

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Heheh, true. But well, it doesn't really apply to everyone. Sometimes my vindictive and vengeful Scorpio conjunction emerges

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Putting it together, I'd wager you were siblings; brother and sister. Your father was involved, and the family fell to ruin very quickly and mysteriously. You're back together now to help this person find direction once you've learnt how to direct your own wild, dissipating energies. This will be a strength for you in your relationships (DSC) and his career (MC) until then, it could be a liability. Likely attracting the wrong partners who are erratic, addicted, overly dreamy, with big plans and no foundation for them.

That's a rough sketch. Just reading what I see. Hope it shed some light for you. You can always go much more in depth; that's just cursory gleaning.

-A.

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Wow, you know what? I think this part was scarily accurate. I recently had a pastclife regression just for fun, and it turned out like this (I posted this in the past life regression thread btw):

I knew I would have been a European in one of my past lives. I have always been drawn to Europe since I was

Anyways, I was from Austria in 1878. I was female, wearing a peasant's dress and shoes. I had long, wavy dark brown hair. I had a brother, about 8-10 years old. I seem very close him. I had a mom and a dad. They looked like they carrird themselves with a certain grace despite their simple appearance. My mother had dark brown hair too, in a bun. My dad was a tall, dark golden blonde man with a beard. We were outside, it was in the afternoon, I think. My father came home from work, my mother was getting some white sheets being air dried and my brother and I were enjoying our time oustside. Our house had a mini farm, and we resided near the hills and a field. Then fast forward in time, I was in a cobblestone street. I was wearing a gown and a hat suited for aristocrats. Whatever happened before that resulted me marrying some nobleman. I was separated from my beloved family and became a housewife. I saw myself in a house, sewing embroidery. My husband was a tall and lanky dark brown haired man, about several years older than me. Fast forward, I was reunited with my brother, who for some reason was under the disguise of one of my coachmen. I couldn't know for what details transpired before that, but I was sure I got the impression that I missed my brother so much.

What do you think?

posted April 22, 2013 09:24 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
The answer imo is in the synastry. Those two stelliums that include pluto and personal planets trining each other. And then your pluto on his stellium. I believe this feels fated but, it isn't true love because the composite doesn't show a love stellium. You will probably learn with time that it wasnt love, as i have with my crushes that i had amazing synastry with but not love stellium in composite.

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posted April 22, 2013 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, RAS! I know that it's not true love in the romantic sense. But, I do love him deeply, in a familial sense.

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posted April 24, 2013 02:45 AM            

That being said, there are MANY ways to read a chart from a karmic perspective, I'm sure you know. For me, Sun-Merc THAT closely will tend to show siblings. If you've got a predominance of 3H, or even Gemini energy, then it's pretty sure. It's the Pluto that got me.

Also, Uranus-Neptune CAN be harnessed to wonderful, humanitarian, universal and spiritual ends. In most cases, it's a scattered energy - until that synergy is reached. So, go, you! It's great that you're already tapping into that huge store. Clearly, with the Node there, you'll attract both Neptunian and Uranian types into your life to help achieve the balancing.

And Sun-Node relationships are ALWAYS important. It seems less about who's the Node unless it's SNode. Then we're clearly looking at debts. You might say, to be clear, that the Sun illuminates the NNode's destiny. It's a great contact.

As to the past, (the lens through which I was reading) Uranus is always suddenness and adding in Pluto indicates reversals. That's why it seemed as if there were betrayals and reversals. You very well could have been the one who was both betrayer and betrayed; by leaving your family, you betrayed yourself - or your family required you to leave - seeking better circumstances, as was common especially then - which in turn caused you to betray your brother. There are so many ways to look at it.

Oh, and Venus-Node is always a love relationship; the Moon indicates family, or involvement with emotional, intuitive ventures - usually the mother, too - but Venus is just love in general. It can be familial, platonic, or an artistic relationship, too. Venus can always signify artists. It's when you're dealing with Valentine or Eros, you're now clearly dealing with romantic or sexual bonds. Or if the picture is Venus/Mars, or Psyche/Eros. But just Psyche, for example, could be a deeply felt intuitive love. Might be platonic or artistic or romantic. Eros is clearly romantic and sexual.

The links you've got here are Mercurial, Solar, and Uranus/Neptune. It's definitely a sibling bond; likely returning for a karmic reward relationship in order to balance the abandonment karma. (Pluto can be abandonment, too, as well as Chiron and Neptune. Neptune/Uranus = a sudden absence; Neptune/Uranus + Pluto = sudden absence through abandonment.)