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IndigoDirae
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posted April 24, 2013 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there! It's me again, looking for a more cheerful topic. Rather than get into gobs of backstory, I'll post the charts and then see what jumps out at anyone first. I'm curious. There's a lot here, but it's never quite been defined. Furthest we've gotten is 'clearly karmic' and, I've surmised, companion souls. Quite possibly a karmic reward relationship with a specific goal. (More personal, less universal unlike, say, twinsouls.)

Synastry:

Composite:

All thoughts welcome! I'd love to be able to give him some greater insight. (I'm still a bit too biased and know too much.) He's asked recently, and I'm still not sure what to say.

Thanks!

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posted April 24, 2013 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You said what jumped out,r ight?

For some reason what jumped out at me instantly was the DW conjunction of Psyche and Madhatter.

Of course there would be a conjunction in composite as well then.

Next thing that jumped out at me were:

° Mars and Lilith on Pluto (and maybe Sun)

° Moon-uranus on Neptune

° alignment of the angles with Lust exactly on ASC

° Jupiter on MC


in the composite the jumpers for me were:

° Uranus-Destinn on ASC on Spica (Especially since it is falling onto the synastric Mars-Pluto-conjunction, making HUGE mental note)
with Chiron and Vertex on DESC - I guess we can stop here, this must be one of the major configurations in this chart!

trine Amor as well!

° eros on Ic trine Pluto in 12t house

° Sun-Venus-conjunction 8with Jupiter in tow) on Regulus

° SN on GC

° Juno -Valentine conjunction

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posted April 24, 2013 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so glad I just asked; you've actually pointed out a lot more than I've ever really and truly seen.

Oh, and I can explain the Madhatter inclusion. In the project on which we (mostly) met, he plays an original character (of mine) that's a variation on the Mad Hatter. He's much more elegant, eloquent, and erudite. Composed, ingenious, sophisticated and smoulderingly sexy. Lucky for me, he brings this part completely to life - in ways I'd never seen before!

So, we each also have an interesting VX parallel natally. His is Madhatter, and mine's Alice. Yep. You can bet which role is mine.

VX-DSC does not surprise me. As much as we fought it to avoid complications on the project, we were immediately drawn to each other, and about 3 months later, had become casually involved. (Although there was really never anything truly casual about it. Not with Eros quindecile Eros - opposite Sun-Pluto, opposite Moon, conjunct Mars. Damn!)

His Eros-Moon opposite my Sun-Pluto conjunct his Mars has been a huge player in the attraction. His Eros parallel my Psyche was what REALLY brought about feelings I'd not felt in that fashion with THAT kind of powerful intensity. I think that's why he became the first dominant partner I'd ever had. I was so compelled to explore my feelings of vulnerability and multi-level submission with him. Something I never, EVER do, and had only been present in one other dynamic: him. He who needs no introduction at this point. Heh.

The Uranus-Destinn-Spica is so intriguing to me. We've always given each other ample freedom in our relationship, and he's never been manipulative or gaming. Ever. It's quite astonishing how much of an honest true gentleman he genuinely is.

The Destinn-ASC grabbed me, too. What do you think that's about? And with Uranus? It rules the IC - do you think it's just a karmic signature? I know that part of why I had to put LACHESIS on hold until I can get things to better and smoother footing with my partner is because this project precedes it by about a decade. My cast for this had been patiently waiting, and I decided yesterday it's time to get this one done. Our composite does appear to reflect this.

Of course, even when I switched projects (and he was cast as the antagonist in LACHESIS) I knew we wouldn't lose touch. And we haven't. He's always peacefully in the background these days, and always shows me honesty, love, and respect. He's literally defended my honour before. How often does THAT happen?

There's a lot that intrigues - like the VX-DSC. I can't help but wager the Chiron conjunction is there due to how much catharsis we've both seen, and how deeply passionate and suffering the beginning of our relationship was. We've both learnt lessons in possessiveness, jealousy, and trust. We also discovered how to accept each other unconditionally and with understanding and sympathy. That's what allowed us to stay friends and build a stronger basis for whatever the future holds.

We've both got Alice close to Amor (mine's right on it). We do indeed have an unconditional love for not only each other - but all the works of Lewis Carroll (Charles Dodgson).

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posted April 24, 2013 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I'm so glad I just asked; you've actually pointed out a lot more than I've ever really and truly seen."
And not even a third of what is really there.

"Oh, and I can explain the Madhatter inclusion."
Oh there was no question for me as to why you included it. It had to be about Alice in Wonderland, I did not even question it.

You even inspired me to take a look at these asteroids in my own chart.
Alice lands on 9 Aries, EXACT opposite 12th house ruler Pluto.
Madhatter on 12 Scorpio on the exact antiscion of my 8th house ruler Moon.


Funny enough the gentleman who apparently has make himself at home in the back (or not so back) of my mind, has ALICE on my ASC exact.
and his Madhatter is conjunct my ALICE by 3 degrees. LOL

I dont´even know WHY I looked these up, though sometimes I do feel like Alice.


"He's much more elegant, eloquent, and erudite. Composed, ingenious, sophisticated and smoulderingly sexy."
Sounds very enticing!

"VX-DSC does not surprise me. As much as we fought it to avoid complications on the project,"
Not surprised.


" we were immediately drawn to each other, and about 3 months later, had become casually involved. (Although there was really never anything truly casual about it. Not with Eros quindecile Eros - opposite Sun-Pluto, opposite Moon, conjunct Mars. Damn!)"
Jeez! Casual?
No way, not really, maybe you told yourself so so you could somehow deal with it. But,... but, well and then you have Eros on the IC! There is NOTHING casual about that!
The IC is the deepest point, it is the womb, the soul of the chart. You cannot get deeper than that. Sure, others may not see it, but whatever you find there, this is what lies at the basis, this is the very foundation. In your case, Eros. The transformative power of creative and romantic passion; the spark, the passion to CREATE life, be it in form of love, romance, procreation or creative projects.


"His Eros-Moon opposite my Sun-Pluto conjunct his Mars has been a huge player in the attraction."
Whoa! That is so ultra passionate!


"His Eros parallel my Psyche was what REALLY brought about feelings I'd not felt in that fashion with THAT kind of powerful intensity"
So you felt the parallel on its own? THere was no longitudinal aspect, was there? Or was there a sextile?


"I was so compelled to explore my feelings of vulnerability and multi-level submission with him. Something I never, EVER do, and had only been present in one other dynamic: him."
I know what you mean.
I mean, I know I am a woman, but somehow I always identified more with athird gender: something like "mental gender", a mind on legs.

I didn`t expect it, but when I looked into the gentleman`s eyes (you know which one), I suddenly realized, really like a flash through me: "Jeez, I am a woman."
LOL
This sudden realization really shocked me. Not sure what it was in his eyes, that made me realize it, but just the way he looked at me. I don´t know. He simply knocked me off my feet I guess. lol

"The Uranus-Destinn-Spica is so intriguing to me. We've always given each other ample freedom in our relationship, and he's never been manipulative or gaming."
Yes, Uranus is a big one. Moon and IC in Aquarius, also. An unconventional relationship, none that you can put into neat little categories. A true friendship (but not ONLY friendship, there is nothing platonic about your composite), space, being able to let each other be him- or herself.
Being free together. Coming together in unusual ways, from different background. Probably phases of not seeing each other, but for some reason that doesn`t diminish the zany mental and otherwise connectedness.
I guess Destinn just means it is destined to be that. But with it on ASC it is also just the natural being in this relationship.

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posted April 24, 2013 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"It rules the IC - do you think it's just a karmic signature? "
No.
Well, "just" a karmic signature?
I find that people see Karmic relationships in a too bad light. Sure there are those draining karmic relationships. I am not talking about these.
But seriously look at those relationships of people we view as soulmates or even just those who went on loving each other for about a lifetime, happily.
Paul Newman-Joanne Woodward. Even Johnny Cash-June-Carter. Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning. (some even say they might be twinflames). my parents. Could not resist mentioning them. Hey, they made it for 40 years up to now, with their loves still intact and still holding hands while walking and so on. (and that without a love stellium in composite ).

Anyway, look at these synastries an compsoites?
What do you see?

I see Saturn. A LOT of Saturn. And not the easy kind either.
I see nodal axis. Conjunction and square (often with SAturn. lol)
Of course I also see angle-action, and yes, yes, yes, including the IC BIG TIME.
I also see Chiron, hu? But yes, I see Chiron.


But well, to repeat myself, you cannot EVER underestimate the importance and power of th IC.
As Robert Blashke put it, that is where you meet your soulgroup, that is where your soul is at home. This deepeset, most vulnerable, naked point. Defenceless even. Have someone stomp your IC with Mars and uranus and NOT being a gentle soulmate of yours, and you will know what I mean. Letting someone to this part of the soul, can be so scary, even scarier than the 8th house maybe. Because it is so deeply personal. Someone who hurts you there, may have the power to annihilate you (or so it feels), that is why we often close the door to it. Not daring to feel what we feel.
On the other hand have someone supportive caress that point of your soul, and there is a tremendous power of healing. And belonging. That is where you belong.

I once wrote this piece on the IC, and it still strikes a chord with me.

"egarding IC.

You could picture the chart with the houses-wheel as an image of the day with the Sun making his circle.

When the Sun is rising, it will be on the ASC (actually this means that if we have planets in the 1st house, they are still in the dark, because they are BEFORE The rising of the sun, as the sun moves from ASC to MC to DC to IC; it also explains why planets in the 1st house are not always very conscious, but very instinctual).

However, if the Sun is high up in the sky, it will be at the MC.

Now, when the Sun has reached the IC it is midnight.
Midnight. What does this word, that time of day trigger inside you? What characteristic does this time have?
IT is dark outside, everyone is asleep, hopefully you, too, so then this is the time where the unconsciousness reigns, the deeper layers of your soul through your dreams.

Or you may be awake, but chances are high, you are the only one. You are alone with yourself, without any distractions of the day. You come face to face with yourself, the naked you. And this time of the day feels "strange"; even bio-chemical something changes. The parasympathetic nervous system takes over from the sympatheic nervous system of the day.
It makes you calm down and "draws you inside yourself" so to speak.

If you`re not alone at that time, chances are also good, that you might have amazing sex or deep profound conversations that take a very private intimate turn.
Often you don´t want to know about that anymore in the next morning, because you have been so naked at that time (emotionally and physically maybe). It`s not only the alcohol I guess.

In my case, please don`t take me too serious if I write things after 10 p.m.. I tend to become very sentimental and starry eyed then. lol

However, deep in the night,w hen the Sun is on the IC (and not seen!), you will only let those people in, who are real close to you. You won`t get a visit by the postman or the neighbour at that time of night.
No superficial contacts (there are always exception,w hen you`Re out, I know.)

You can see it like this, The Sun has disappeared, and the Moon reigns. Moon as the ruling planet of the 4th house, which begins with the IC!
And Moon represents emotions, feelings, not like the romantic ones, which can be pretty superficial and are a "Venus-thing", a DC-thing (about 7 p.m, when you start meeting your friends and potential lovers).
No, I`m talking of emotions in the sense of really touching you inside your soul.
In that respect Moon and IC are pretty much the same.

Also Robert Blashke stated that the closest soulmates will always ALWAYS without exception have either conjunctions or solstice-conjunctions to their IC."


So, yeah, in any composite, my glance is always drawn to the IC. What is happening there? Where does the soul of the connection manifests? On the ASC? Can`t escape the soulfulness of that connection. It is always close to the surface.
You can try to rationalize it away all you want, you composite-Aquarius-Moon, but it will not go away.
Also the ruler of aSC is conjunct Sun in 10th house. Public. a connection that is meant to be in the limelight, be seen, manifest.


"He's always peacefully in the background these days, and always shows me honesty, love, and respect. He's literally defended my honour before. How often does THAT happen?"
Not very often.

Shall I be honest with you?
The way you talked about him, you and him together, it is just so beautiful. It feels like Sun warming the skin. Sorry I can`t really describe it well.
What I thought was, it feels so much like "true soulmates". The love is endless, no matter what might happen externally.

Have you looked at your heliocentric composite?
To gain insight into the "essence" of your relationship?
What is your story there?

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posted April 24, 2013 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. Such education. I'm wonderfully reminded of how astrology originated from human experience and observation - and that it continues to function because of it. Wow.

You've really opened my eyes about the IC. I've not given it the true credit it's due, as it never quite clicked for me in totality. I, too, am much the mind on legs myself. To the point where it really has wrecked havoc with my emotional life and being. My relationships. I'm 'distant' and 'aloof'. Characteristics I share with both (we'll call him Fate, given how that's the origin of his surname) and ... well, the above gentleman goes by Jack. Fate has his Moon in 4° Sag, and Jack's ASC is there. Now I realise, despite their aloofness, detached natures and overly logical outlook - they're both central points on my IC. My husband's Moon is also there, and my Moon is on his. That doesn't surprise me a bit now. Our rapport was initially eerily similar to how it is with Fate. He was holding back, being cold, distant, rejecting. Thing is ... he came back ... three months after Fate and I had begun a relationship. I hadn't realised it at the time, how much he wanted to (and even rather did) tell me not to. But, he and I were at such literal distance with a huge deception between us, preventing anything from deepening until it was gone. And when the time came for it to be removed and it didn't happen (we didn't meet) I took it to mean he couldn't possibly feel for me as I did for him, despite some things he'd said - which, for him? - was exceptional. (AUGH. And again - it always bloody goes back to him. SEE? God, that's frustrating.)

Of course, I could never suddenly decide my marriage was a mistake, or moving to LA when I did. I knew it was my path, and I've ALWAYS hated it that our paths are so continuously divergent. Reminds me a lot of the recent adaptation of a Philip K Dick story: The Adjustment Bureau. That's a concept which has obsessed me for years. Sadly, I don't think the happy ending is 'true'. I think twins often find themselves drawn irresistibly together, hoping to zip through the obstacles like Cooper paired electrons, but they just can't. Life intervenes. Karma remains.

I think it's deeply curious, and clearly no accident, that things are where they are at the moment. It broke my heart to put the brakes on LACHESIS, but I felt it coming when he'd gotten a job and was now on a whole other trajectory. He'd always been there - never let me down. When my own personal conflicts (and marital discord) begun turning me into an emotional wreck and a flake, he still hung on - until the day he graduated with his BS and begun job hunting. I felt the split there; didn't want to accept it. No way would he be able to dedicate himself as I needed. And, I've somehow just always known, this is our project. But I'll also be damned if I wait too long to get it out there. Alas, something else was transporting beneath the surface.

After over a year of no contact, thanks to the wiles of Facebook messaging, I thought one of my old writers who'd mysteriously left just suddenly hated me for some reason. It was strange! I couldn't fathom why, but he would NOT talk to me! So, out of the clear blue, THE DAY following That Day - 16 January - he came back outta nowhere! And reminded me a LOT of the nuances I'd either forgotten or just hasn't a chance to explore before he left the project in '07, as it was winding down. And he wrote our main villain.

Now, I knew Jack was ideal for it, after I had to shelve HUNTING ALICE, the project for which I had him audition so soon after we met - which was rather a formality. (When someone introduces themselves with the monologue from 'V for Vendetta' in response to 'are you an actor?' ANY audition is a formality!)

BTW, my luck with partnerships is TERRIBLE. Why on earth is that? A dear ex with whom I had a volatile relationship in college and remained close - very close, as in he became more like a sibling in the years following - was the one with whom I 'found' the story; and for 11 years, through relationships and relocations and career moves and life changes - we were SO close, to the day when I couldn't hold my tongue about the woman with whom he was living - for whom he'd left his home and family (of origin) and was SO unhappy. I couldn't call myself his dear friend of so many years if I didn't.

That was the last time we spoke. November 2010. I got married that December. It was strange, painful, bizarre not having ANY contact with him - AT ALL. And so, what arose from a simple matter of preference devolved into ad hominem attacks between his girlfriend and my fiancé, and the two of us. I'm STILL floored that despite my best efforts, he has REALLY cut me from his life since that day.

Moon on my IC, also conjunct Neptune. Sun quindecile Moon. ASC-DSC conjunctions near-to exact. And a bevy of other stuff.

It made me gunshy. Yet, when it came to Fate ... I couldn't help myself. The chance to have him REALLY in my life, AND for us to make what we'd created into what it deserved to be? It was a dream being realised.

It was enough to make me forget the intense relationship I'd just undergone with Jack, and how I'd lost one of my absolute closest connections I'd ever had - the one I'd say that's second to Fate, though with the intensity and passion having cooled years and years prior, leaving only a love I thought was unconditional and everlasting.

So, with my life changing dramatically as I moved a few blocks from the ocean, I realised, for the first time, I'd moved into the next chapter. Literally, the move somehow took me from one phase of my life - represented by one project (Hunting Alice) to the next - one on which I'd given up entirely of ever seeing be made into a reality: LACHESIS. Suddenly, the things I'd worked so hard to relinquish, which left a deep, gaping wound I tried to ignore, were whispering to me from the sea-breeze that complicated October of 2011, as All Hallows' Eve beckoned to me, thinning the veils, connecting two worlds - making everything seem possible.

So, I slipped out of Riley, my beloved Alice archetype, carefully developed, a phase of me I knew I wasn't anymore - or who I'd understand to the point I could now, and couldn't any further - and packed it all up into a neat little box, hoping I'd forgotten nothing. Blotted out the pain I knew Jack was hiding his absolute best, since he knew I just could NOT deal with it. Not then. Not anymore. And it broke my heart to do that to him. To everyone. Yet, again.

I dusted off Fiona Thierry, v1.0 - physicist, astrologer, embroiled in a complex and volatile entanglement with her twinsoul, Addison Lane - written, created by, and infused with all that Fate is.

I decided it was time to explore a whole new dimension of myself. I picked my astrology back up, and stopped treating it like a vice or guilty pleasure. Fiona had taught me of the power of combining science with spirituality - how it was the only way she'd ever become the person she'd have to be in order to fulfil her destiny with Lane. And, on a total lark, I begun a quantum physics course myself, wanting to understand the concreteness and foundation of abstract principles that have held my fascination since I arrived on the planet. And to my total surprise, I have a shocking knack for it.

I hit a wall with Fiona, or maybe plateaued. Her own destiny became understood regarding how she's separate from Lane, but I also came to realise, yet again, Lane isn't mine. Much as I want to believe otherwise for practical reasons, I'm scratching the surface. Ghostwriting, as his creator is essentially a ghost to me, leaving me haunted.

I suspected, the knowledge of Lane's death prior to Fiona's true potential being realised would mean that Fate and I would indeed have to separate - by circumstance, and yet, by choice as well. That things would become too much, and I'd HAVE no choice except to let him go - or else, I'll miss out on my own journey here. Fiona does a lot without Lane in the pilot episode / miniseries. Curiously, with the antagonist - Valden. Played by ... yep. Jack. (Marvellously, too. Amazing how such a gentleman can truly portray true terrifying evil.)

He takes her through Hell and back, confronting her with herself, that which she'd like to deny permanently, and the things about Lane which she refuses to accept. In so doing, a peculiar intimacy develops between them, resulting in an even worse entanglement by the time Lane returns to find his carefully ordered world is in shambles due to his apathy and refusal to trust anyone but himself. (It leads to betrayals everywhere he turns - all which have been brewing for years.) Fiona is, indeed, the only one left to whom he's ever felt any sense of true belonging - and something now prevents them from ever being together in a traditional - and quite literal sense. The whole first season subplot deals with their contending with that, and what it's done to their relationship. The feeling of 'just can't catch a break' tends to dominate.

And so it was with a VERY heavy heart I had to put ALL of it aside. I'd FINALLY figured out where I needed to go - LACHESIS was now separate from anything that had even bleeding into it from Hunting Alice, and vice versa - and THE BLOODY TIME ISN'T RIGHT ANYMORE? ARE YOU $&@# ME?

Ahem.

Nonetheless, that feels what's trying to come through since late March, when something I thought was long since resolved, and had settled into a peaceful contentment - that, or it didn't flare to the point of expressing itself. It could remain ... contained.

... Until our first read-through.

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No way, not really, maybe you told yourself so so you could somehow deal with it. But,... but, well and then you have Eros on the IC! There is NOTHING casual about that!
The IC is the deepest point, it is the womb, the soul of the chart. You cannot get deeper than that. Sure, others may not see it, but whatever you find there, this is what lies at the basis, this is the very foundation. In your case, Eros. The transformative power of creative and romantic passion; the spark, the passion to CREATE life, be it in form of love, romance, procreation or creative project

You mean it? Really?!

Ok, I couldn't let the similarity go since I added EROS yesterday for the very first time to our Composite..

CONJUNCT the IC! (you don't forget that )

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posted April 24, 2013 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo,

I am floored by your reply. I really speaks to me on a deep level. But I need to let it sink in before I can reply to it.
It`s strange I have quite some instanteous feelings/ impressions about Fate as well as Jack.
How weird, I don´t know either of them. That should tell you a LOT how impressive your writing is!

Btw Fiona? Really?
My best friend here in Germany has that name (she is half Irish).
And as a matter of fact you mentioned her family name in one of your last posts.
LOL

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posted April 24, 2013 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You mean it? Really?!

Ok, I couldn't let the similarity go since I added EROS yesterday for the very first time to our Composite..

CONJUNCT the IC! (you don't forget that )

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Mir,

yes, I mean it.

And I even meant it BEFORE I realized that in my own composite Eros is right on the IC as well.
actually Eros and Priapus both are conjunct AND parallel the IC.

How interesting, that all three of us have Eros conjunct IC in the composite.

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posted April 24, 2013 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW....

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posted April 24, 2013 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you say? Do you feel it?

I FEEL it.
(Eros on 14 Taurus is part of some aspects actually:

conjunct Priapus 15 Taurus
conjunct IC 16 Taurus

opposes Uranus 12 Scorpio

quinkunx Pluto 15 Libra

quinkunx Neptune 15 Sagittarius
quinkunx Mercury 17 SAg

trine Proserpina 14 Cap
trine Venus 16 Cap

square Pallas 16 Aqua


Hmm intersting, about the Yod of Neptune/Mercury sextile Pluto and both quinkunx Eros, and actually the apex is the MC-Uranus-conjunction in Scorpio, the MC-IC-axis like an arrow shoothing through that Yod.
And of course this is interlocking with a MT of Eros in Taurus in 4th, Pluto in Libra in 8th and Venus-Proserpina in Cap in 12th

Sorr I do not mean to dereail the thread, just got fascinated with my own Eros-composite.

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posted April 24, 2013 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I was completely floored by the similarities.

This Composite IC/EROS (15 Virgo) conjunction is only tightly trine the Moon.
Well yea there was another asteroid conjunct the IC at about 2 degrees, but I can't remember which one that was... (I just took some asteroid numbers from that chart on Indigo's other thread)

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posted April 24, 2013 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's Amor! At 17 Virgo

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posted April 24, 2013 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
You mean it? Really?!

Ok, I couldn't let the similarity go since I added EROS yesterday for the very first time to our Composite..

CONJUNCT the IC! (you don't forget that )

orb 0,33.


Ahem.

mir, I will stalk until I track you down therefore I can find you and slap you silly with a big ol' tuna fish if something GRAND and wonderful does not come from your Eros-IC. You HAVE been warned.

To my credit, we'll be doing it up about as big as you can get. And, NOW knowing what I do (thank you, Ceri, you're my astro-angel, I swear) I feel REALLY good about sticking to my guns about that.

Can't help but smirk at how I have Eros-Neptune conjunct and parallel with Fate in ours; Nep ruling the IC, which is otherwise kinda just hanging out by itself, as if to say, 'yo, what's up? Yeah, I'm here. Carry on.'

Neptune is, naturally, not surprising - having such links in fantasy and the industry. As for Jack, our Eros is in Aquarius - abstract and universal things, typically collaborative and group-oriented (oh, it's certainly that) with Uranus in Libra - aesthetics and beauty and artistry (of course!) and right on the ASC-Destinn? Yep! I'd say we have a clear winner. We're quite 'destined' for this.

What're you destined for, mir? I think the sign of Eros does convey a lot, as well as aspects and dispositors, of course. (And dwads! I love me some dwads!) Mine and Fate's is in Sagittarius; a fiery, creative Eros, indeed, geared towards highfalutin philosophical journeys. What better way to do that than an epic adventure for all? Neptune's self-explanatory. It parallels a lot of the personal points, too, as well as semisextiling them: Sun, ASC, Moon, Merc, Venus, Jupiter, even Pluto; Valentine and Lust, too. As if to just make its presence known EVERYWHERE. And it succeeds. A gentle nudge; kinda like my cat prodding my arm with his face when he wants to fall asleep on me. A tender assertion. Neptune semisextiles aren't weak (think of the angle of the aspect) so much as they're kinda soothing. Like anticipating a freshly prepared meal. Or knowing something wonderful is coming, and now you've just got to await its arrival. Soft Neptune aspects always feel like Christmas Eve morning to me. The older you get, the more you enjoy the quiet anticipation of a guaranteed fulfilment. You learn to savour the waiting.

My eleven year old stepdaughter has yet to grok this concept. ;p No amount of my convincing will help, either. I think it's just something you grow into.

That's why Jack and I are always some sort of waltz. We're crackling fires with gentle rain tapping on the window, and a curiously strong Chardonnay which burns only in the aftertaste. It lingers. It's deceptive. The mood is still and peaceful. Strains of piano on a wintre night by a warm, calm fire. A simple white wine that isn't. Instead, it stays with you. Makes you take notice. But the rhythm never changes. It's always the one-two-three, one-to-three. Gliding against the surface of the ground, but your feet never quite touching it long enough to gain traction. So you skate along a substance you can't even feel or understand its composition. As if it were pure fantasy.

You're never awake in those moments, either. I'm not. In just positively intoxicated; I can only recall by my concept of understanding the world that it's still spinning and I'm still on it. But I'm somewhere else, too. Not here. Not in that dreamy state. It'd be scary, if I weren't outside of myself - no longer in control of my faculties. Instead, I'm just gliding - just dreaming. The music takes me over. The curious marriage of a frigid draft against the warm room. Just enough of a chill to remind me that I AM alive - that this IS happening. And I have no control over it.

I can just trust he knows the steps, we won't go so high that we'll tumble to our deaths, and he'll hold fast to my hands, no matter how lost I become.

Now that I think of it - that's damned frightening, isn't it?

Maybe that's more Neptune with Moon, maybe Venus or Psyche.

What a lazy, cloudy, introspective environment I'm in today. As if wintre's come back for a last stand before surrendering to spring. It's an interesting time, April in the City of Angels.

I blame you, Ceri, and the Sun-Psyche-Moon Grand Trine for setting me off like this. ;p Clearly, don't stop! I just warn that this mind-with-legs can get rather dreamy at times as well.

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Indigo,

I am floored by your reply. I really speaks to me on a deep level. But I need to let it sink in before I can reply to it.
It`s strange I have quite some instanteous feelings/ impressions about Fate as well as Jack.
How weird, I don´t know either of them. That should tell you a LOT how impressive your writing is!

Btw Fiona? Really?
My best friend here in Germany has that name (she is half Irish).
And as a matter of fact you mentioned her family name in one of your last posts.
LOL


Okay, it's MY turn to be floored. (Mutual flooring society, over here.) The whole emergence of the dream / story which became LACHESIS is clearly rooted in so much 'coming through' rather than any 'creating'. I've just been a big receiver.

Names are a big, big thing to me, too. And I KNOW when they're right.

Fiona became a name which has deep resonance for me since, oh, 1999 or so - when the project which became the backstory for LACHESIS, called 'Forces of Destiny' came about. She was Fiona Evynder then, (her name in her previous life) and became Fiona Thierry very suddenly in 2006, when what's become LACHESIS started being developed from the dream I had the year prior. The username I had for her the account under which I wrote the character via role-play was 'complexthierry'. I loved the notion of a scientist / astrologer having a surname that's homonymous with 'theory', and I knew it was Thierry.

I've a bad habit of spelling my names a bit off. Terrible, really. Take Jack's character in HUNTING ALICE, for example: Dr Penderan Fauste. His first oft shortened to Deran, and never Pen. Once or twice, Pender, but didn't stick. But I KNEW the 'e' was there, despite the fact it's NOT pronounced 'FOW-stuh' - simply as it would be without it: Faust. And, oh, is he aptly named.

Riley is curious, too. Arguably, self-insert at work, as she's among my first developed characters. (Unsurprisingly, British, or British-American.) Traditional male name ending in 'Y'. Feisty female, like, say, her creator. Middle name Claridge in homage to her British heritage and its being a variant of Clarice, paying direct homage to Thomas Harris, who provided the seed from which it all sprouted that wintre 2001. And Wingate. Another for which I've no explanation, much like Fiona. Though I am always amused at Penderan's coining her 'Riley of the Winding Gate' - whatever the hell that means.

I was told not to use Fauste, too, for fear I was saddling my character with too much mythicism and history. That was the damned point! I held fast.

Lane, my latest 'creation' (really, it's more like finding the skeletal body of a burnt out classic muscle car, handing it over to a mechanic and saying, 'good luck!' In all honesty, Fate has built Lane into the character he is, drawing heavily subconsciously on himself, his karmic past, and our own) has his own quirky evolution.

Addison is the name of the town in which I was working at the time. Being that I liked the town - a corporate town - and the sense that he was its town hero of sorts, born of the family that literally owned the land upon which it was founded - it clicked for him. Then I needed something to do with big destiny, karma, and epic things. Fatum? Fatalis. Fata?

I kicked the tires on the name - still aware it was like putting a license plate on said junkyard wreck - and took him for a spin. I was humourously greeted with, 'I love everything but the name.' (The man is my distant cousin - which we discovered through genealogy.) I thought it was great! Of course, he said that he was 'an awesome character which needed an equally awesome name'.

And he became Addison Lane. (Addison Schyler Lane, in fact, some of his roots being in a much earlier character from one of my older works.)

So, I handed the keys over to Fate, and that's the last I really had much to do with Lane. He stayed Lane, very clearly. And Fate is both amused and rather mind-boggled at the initial surname choice. As it would have been HIS OWN.

YES.

It doesn't stop there.

Coming back from a delightful excursion in Thousand Oaks, CA to see the fireworks display he so enjoyed in his youth, Jack revealed something to me he was 'certain he had before'. As he used to work in comics, he knew some wonderful artists with whom he collaborated to compose the story and do lettering.

One such artist was so taken with his manner, they not only became good friends and colleagues - he used his likeness for a character.

A character named ... Jack Fauste.

YES. WITH THE 'E'.

Of course, I was dumbstruck. Dumbstruck! He just turned to glance at me from the drivers' side. 'Oh, I hadn't said?' Like we may've been discussing something as trivial as neglecting to mention a minor change in plan. That something interesting but altogether meaningless arrived in the post.

Not, 'incidentally, IT APPEARS I'M FATED TO PLAY THIS ROLE.'

Jeezy creezy!

Anyway. Yeah. YEAH.

... Yeah.

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posted April 24, 2013 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Mir,

yes, I mean it.

And I even meant it BEFORE I realized that in my own composite Eros is right on the IC as well.
actually Eros and Priapus both are conjunct AND parallel the IC.

How interesting, that all three of us have Eros conjunct IC in the composite.


Oh, WOW - is right! And most certainly not coincidental in the least. Wow!

What a wonderful means of studying the experience of Eros-IC. Small sample size - but, hey! Really quite large given the size of the population itself.

Now we've gotta really dig into the nitty-gritty here. Compare notes and all that rot.

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posted April 24, 2013 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What do you say? Do you feel it?

I FEEL it.
(Eros on 14 Taurus is part of some aspects actually:

conjunct Priapus 15 Taurus
conjunct IC 16 Taurus

opposes Uranus 12 Scorpio

quinkunx Pluto 15 Libra

quinkunx Neptune 15 Sagittarius
quinkunx Mercury 17 SAg

trine Proserpina 14 Cap
trine Venus 16 Cap

square Pallas 16 Aqua


Hmm intersting, about the Yod of Neptune/Mercury sextile Pluto and both quinkunx Eros, and actually the apex is the MC-Uranus-conjunction in Scorpio, the MC-IC-axis like an arrow shoothing through that Yod.
And of course this is interlocking with a MT of Eros in Taurus in 4th, Pluto in Libra in 8th and Venus-Proserpina in Cap in 12th.


As Jack likes to say: 'holy cats!'

As Proserpina is the actual counterpart to Pluto, any aspect between them - especially a configuration - would be very revealing. Am I to understand it's an 8H Pluto square 12H Proserpina? If so, how could you NOT feel kinda dragged through the Underworld by this guy? Even if some of those bumps along the way are positively orgasmic. (Hey, can't forget Eros!)

What do you know about the karmic nature of quincunx? I've heard some things, but I'm always learning. And you're absolutely certain some of those not quite quadrinoviles and not quite quincunxes aren't even loose quindeciles - right?

How does Nep/Merc QNX Eros work exactly? Attention is clearly gotten here - on a deep level - but is there surface tension? How does the eroticism play out in that pattern?

I know, -cough- how a regular old Eros-Mercury plays out. And an Eros-Neptune. (Oh, help me, Rhonda!) But what's the skinny on that particular pairing, per se?

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posted April 24, 2013 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's Amor! At 17 Virgo

Amor-Eros-IC? That sounds legitimately glorious!

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Okay, it's MY turn to be floored. (Mutual flooring society)

I got that word from you, I swear

Butteuh.. amor .. + eros =


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Amor relates to a kind of idealized vision of love, and unconditional energy with “no arm, no legs and no motives”. Do you get the feeling? Amor doesn’t need to have sex or create or merge. Amor can look at the sunset, think of the beloved and smile in the knowledge that life is good. It doesn’t need a specific response from the “other”. Just knowing they are alive suffices.
Conjunct Eros, there is going to be an added need (compulsion?) for a response—if not a sexual response, then one hell of a creative one.
http://erosastrology.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=syn&action=display&thread=333

Remarkable description!
I can't remember reading such a thing with the traditional planets?

Last night I literally said it to a friend; *poetic devotion* on mainly distance .. is .. soooo much worth if you went through all the sh*t of mainly real-life relationships.

The reality on a very inner level is *ALSO* reality! And to not underestimate that one!

Probably the effect of Amor to be so floored about it

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posted April 25, 2013 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
totally off topic.

I just been mailed by the theatre in London where I will watch "Henry V", where I have front row tickets. They are offering me the possibility to change to other seats, as they apparently realized that front row seats make for a "intimate experience", which apparently was not to anyone`s taste, and that I can move seats, "if you are at all concerned about being too close...."".


WHAT IN DESTINY`S NAME IS GOING ON HERE???????

LOL

No you cannot possibly understand the karmic backstory of it all, but still, the universe has an infallable timing, and more and more it seems, like what I am experiencing on an internal ("fantasy") level, seems to result in consequences or is reflected by external events, it just stuns me completely.

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posted April 25, 2013 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's Amor! At 17 Virgo

Just wanted to point out that in mytholog, according to Hesiod, EROS was a primordial god, present at the creation of the world (and having something to do with the creation itself I guess). This is the most ancient source.

However over time Eros became "domestified" a wee bit.
They made him the son of:
- Venus/Aprhodite and Mars/Ares
-Venus/Aphrodite and Mercury/Hermes
(and some others I guess).

It was only later that he became depicted as a child. In the early versions he was always depicted as a youth at the peak of his virility.


The Romans incorporated this god into their pantheon, too, under the name of two gods:
AMOR and CUPIDO

As a matter of fact in the story we know, about Psyche and her divine complement, it reads: "Psyche et Cupido".
And her husband is always being referred to as Cupido throughout the original text.

Anway, moving on.

Amor is the latin word for "love" and cupido is the word for "desire".
I suspect that Eros somehow got "split up" into these twin-feelings of (unconditional, caring)love and desire.

Just pointing that out cause we seem to forget about Cupido, maybe because he is often pictured as a pampered baby with wings and his arrow (baby`s shouldn`t play with weapons btw. lol).

But that is not what he is really about, originally, before the invention of Valentine`s days greeting cards.

Also in the other BIG opus, where this God often was named, Ovidius Metamorphoses, he is referred to as Cupido as well most of the time.

What I want to say is that if we are intersted in the myth of Psyche and the god of love, we need to really check for all three variations here, Eros, Amor and Cupido, and probably keep in mind that Eros combines both sides of love, while it seems as if Amor and Cupido might be "split parts", but I could be wrong.

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posted April 25, 2013 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo,

"Can't help but smirk at how I have Eros-Neptune conjunct and parallel with Fate in ours;"
I love that actually.
Eros-Neptune, dreamy and erotic, erotic dreams?

Well in my synastry his Eros is square my Neptune. His Eros in Pisces and 12th house. lol
It`s always been, well, I feel kinda "elusive". Not that he is elusive, but rather that for some reason I am switching between becoming very much "there" and then slip into invisibility mode again (well Ithink I am invisible, he often has proved me to think wrongly though. He shouldn`t even be seeing me. I am INVISIBLE for God`s sake! Neptune on ASC, okay? I.N.V.I.S.I.B.L.E. why does he see me?)

My Neptune also is conjunct his Mercury exact and squaring his Mars (and Neptune) in Virgo. Sometimes I feel lke I need to apologize for my Neptun being there. lol


"Nep ruling the IC"
So carrying the soul of your connection somewhere else. It`s sort of the messenger of the IC. and thus connects ERos with that energy again, just that is it not in the 4th house, but probably somewhere else, unless Neptune is in 4th.


"What're you destined for, mir? I think the sign of Eros does convey a lot, as well as aspects and dispositors, of course. "
I totally Agree. And also agree on the dwads.

Our composite Eros is in Taurus, trine its dispositor Venus in Cappy in 12th (yip the one squared by Libra Pluto in 8th).
Eros-Dwad is 26 Libra. Haha.
It trines Psyche on 24 Aquarius (the all important psyche in our synastry. They are conjunct and parallel in practically every chart. lol)

With our Eros in Taurus I think of physicality and sensuality. What do you think?
(and stubbornness, A LOT).

That was the first thing I noticd about him actually, his physicality, how he was just so "there", so different from my flying mind, that was always in dangr to simply float away from my body and away away away (maybe a reason I had to overeat so much for so many years, a way to keep me IN body to wait until my soul really arrived in my own body.)

Him on the other hand, so instinctual. AT least it seemed to me.
The first time we met he was sniffing my hair! (he didn`t believe I was NOT wearing a certain fragrance).
Crtainly never happened to me with anyone else, having someone sniff the air around me and my hair 10 minutes after saying `Hello`. Though I am not sure we even said Hello, what a waste of time, right?


"Mine and Fate's is in Sagittarius; a fiery, creative Eros, indeed, geared towards highfalutin philosophical journeys."
Yes, so much adventure. A Jupiterian Eros. Generous, expansiv, cannot be contained, always striving for more, higher.


"A tender assertion. Neptune semisextiles aren't weak (think of the angle of the aspect)"
I am so torn about the semisextile. Part of me sais it is not important. But the other part of me sais: It`s the other end of the quinkunx, Stupid! D `oh!
And goes on to explain to me how it relates to the 2nd and 12th house symbolically (starting from the 1st hous.
How can it be unimportant?
It might not be as flashy as the square, but thre`s a reason it is there.

Also, thinking of it, we place so much importance on the Sun/moon-interplay, also on Venus/Pluto or Venus/mars, and yet especially in the sense of Sun and Moon they ar eno polarities, they are succedent energies (Leo follows Cancer, or 5th house follows 4th).
The Venus-Mars is part of a polar pair alright, but also the all important succedent development of 7th and 8th hous, Libra and sCorpio.

What to make of this?

BTW mr Henry V.th Neptune is precisely semisextile my Venus - and his Venus is conjunct my Neptune by 3 degrees. The semisextile is closer. And yes, parallel, too (I noticd quite some parallels coinciding with semisextiles).
It seems to make sense, I just don`t see WHAT sense.


In the synastry with Mr Transformation his Venus is precisely semisextile my Sun 0.00.
And yes parallel, too.
What does it mean?

When we met, his pr Sun had reached a conjunction to that Venus with an orb of 0.00. It was only as exact fro about a week in total.

"We're crackling fires with gentle rain tapping on the window, and a curiously strong Chardonnay which burns only in the aftertaste. It lingers. It's deceptive. The mood is still and peaceful. Strains of piano on a wintre night by a warm, calm fire. A simple white wine that isn't. Instead, it stays with you. Makes you take notice. But the rhythm never changes. It's always the one-two-three, one-to-three. Gliding against the surface of the ground, but your feet never quite touching it long enough to gain traction. So you skate along a substance you can't even feel or understand its composition. As if it were pure fantasy."
That is so beautiful.


"Now that I think of it - that's damned frightening, isn't it?"
Yes.
And soothing.
You are talking to a Moon in Aquarius here, with Venus in Capppy squaring Pluto.
I am DEAD SCARED of this. But the longing is there, and the deeply embedded realization that THIS is huge, bigger than me, and that I do not really have a choice but surrender to a will that is stronger than my mental shields. My defense mechanisms do not work with him anyway. Which is something that seems utterly impossible. I AM Miss DEFENSIVE. I am the Queen of Swords (well I was at least), not tha I like it, but that is what Ihav always been.
And he comes and my own frigging defense system does not even REGISTER he hasn`t got the same auric field like mine? It doesn`t even realize he is NOT part of the system?
He is the ONLY one who can sneak up on me unnoticed (though at other times I know exactly when he enters a room. I just know. And for some weird reason his eyes always know where to find me. And they shouldn´t! He`s a stranger, for God`s sake! Or he should be).


"I blame you, Ceri, and the Sun-Psyche-Moon Grand Trine for setting me off like this."
I gladly take the blame. You do the same to me. And tomorrow I will read it and ask myself: Have I been drunk writing this? What did I even mean?
But though I will not admit it, it is probably closer to the truth, the real truth inside, than anything I can say with clear mind.

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posted April 25, 2013 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo,

"Okay, it's MY turn to be floored. (Mutual flooring society, over here.)"
LOL
The floor will disappear from view, with us three covering it.


"The whole emergence of the dream / story which became LACHESIS is clearly rooted in so much 'coming through' rather than any 'creating'. I've just been a big receiver."
Ys, that is how I often have felt about my stories, as well. And well, I have had the habit trying to talk to my characters, what they are about and so on.
I remmber vry clearly, I was onc writing a fanfiction to the musical Jesus christ superstar (little did I know HOW intricately interconnected all of it is, what a tangled web. lol), and it totally took a life of its own. And I was trying to talk to "Annas" many times; but the arrogant ******* would ignore me (I was "beneath" him). And he also told me that I couldn`t even bear the truth (bit like the Jack Ni!cholson character in that military film, you know?).
But then one day - I can be persistent and HEY I am the author! Show a bit respect here!-
he didn`t tell me, he showed me, and I was, well, floored.
It is, especially with this story it was like it, that it is like I am watching the story unfold, I can see it, touch it, smell it, hear it, sense it, and sometimes it exhausts me, when I have to place myself in it, to understand it or make it unravel.

It is strange, I guess. But that is how I`ve been since I was a child. Inventing stories, no, seeing them in my mind, letting them take me anywhere, and often I had no idea where I would end up with that story.
Some stories I destroyed just after creating them, because, well, I rarely see nice and fluffy stories.

One time I thought I was finished with a story, but one of the minor characters (I thought he was, little did I know!) sort of sneakt up on me in my mind, insisting on telling parts of his story, sort of a prequel. I evn remember how he started the talk: "Did you never come to wonder why your protagonist can`t remember her past?"
No, surprisingly I didn`t.

But I did not want to talk to him. He was, well, dark. He insisted and even threatened to haunt my dreams if I didn`t sit down and listen, or rather see.
So I sat down, and he showed me, glimpses.

Of course I know that this comes all from inside my mind, but it is weird and strange and yet interesting what forms the mind can take at times.
Well, I did abandon the story nevertheless.
The last person I had been mentioning it to, died a few weeks in a motor cycle (nothing having to do with the story. I am not that superstitious), but after that I could never find my voice again.

I miss writing, and there are some unfinished stories waiting to be told, but I don`t think I am able anymore. Or maybe I will one day. Or maybe there will be other stories, who knows?


"Names are a big, big thing to me, too. And I KNOW when they're right."
Yes. A story cannot be right, if the name is not.

"ery suddenly in 2006,"
LOL 2006 was the year I first saw Mr Transformation.
3rd june of 2006, which makes sense. My lifepath number is 33, his is 3. My name numbr is 3, his is 9. lol

"when what's become LACHESIS started being developed from the dream I had the year prior."
That first story, the one with the amnesiac protagonist, it started with a dream, as well. The dream is part of the 2nd chapter. lol


" loved the notion of a scientist / astrologer having a surname that's homonymous with 'theory', and I knew it was Thierry."
It`s brilliant!

" Feisty female, like, say, her creator. "
LOL

"'Riley of the Winding Gate' - whatever the hell that means. "

Wll, of course I don´t know your mind, but the image I had in mind instantly was that she is able to go back and forth through the gates between dimensions or times, not in one direction, but in any direciton.


"YES. WITH THE 'E'."
Wow!

It is all so intervowen, right? The interconnections, everything. It is hard to NOT see the threads.

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posted April 25, 2013 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo,

"As Proserpina is the actual counterpart to Pluto, any aspect between them - especially a configuration - would be very revealing."
It`s a theme, a bit at least.

his pluto sextiles my Proserpina exact
my Pluto trines his Proserpina

his Pluto conjuncts my DNA
my Proserpina conjuncts his DNA

" Am I to understand it's an 8H Pluto square 12H Proserpina?"
Yes.

" If so, how could you NOT feel kinda dragged through the Underworld by this guy?"
Yes, but the thing is, I don´t know how to put it, it feels scary but in a very good way.

Well, after all, even though Proserpina had been kidnapped, she was swallowing Pluto`s seed - pardon me, the seeds of the pomenagrate - voluntarily.
You can`t tell me she did not know what that meant! She was part of the gods and goddesses, of course she knew she had to stay down there, when she was accepting any kind of nutrition in the underworld.

I guess she just couldn`t tell her mom! (Ceres/ Demeter).
Their relationship was TOO tight, and she as the daughter had to grow up, become a woman of her own power - and that she did becoming queen of the underworld, no less!

I always identified with that story so much along with the Cupido/Psyche and the Dionysos/Ariadne one. There is a need for transformation in me, and yes, I need to be pushed towards it a little, or I will not get moving at all!
So in a way that guy might be exactly what the doctor prescribd! Yes he is shaking me out of my comfort zone, but though it sometimes might feel like "too much" and "I can`t deal with this stuff", at the same time I find a lot of pleasure in being pushed to go beyond my limitations (nothing too grave, but I am so inhibited in many ways, that what for others is just little stuff, for me sometimes feels like leaping up onto the moon. lol).

There seems to be a bit of Venus-Pluto-theme, too.

We both have a natal Cappy-Venus squaring Pluto. Each of us.
We have the square between Venus and Pluto in composite. With Pluto being oipposite his helio Eros btw!
And composite Venus being conjunct my helio Venus. LOL

Actually my helio Venus is on the midpoint of the composite Moon and Venus conjunction of 6 degrees.

though we do not have an Venus-Pluto aspect in tropical synastry we have it in helio. His Pluto exactly squares my Venus in helio.
Yes, it had to be the square!
Anything less would not even register with me I guess.

For him it seems to have to do with relationship-stuff predominantly, as Pluto is the ruler of his 8th house, falling into his 7th.
For me Venus rules 5th, 6th and 10th house and falls into 1st house and helio Venus falls into 2nd house - for me it has a lot to do with my identity apparently.

Well, my Eros is squared by his Pluto exactly (my Eros in his 5th and my 8th house; his Pluto in his 7th and my 10th house).

his Eros is quinkunx my Pluto exactly
(his Eros in my 3rd and his 12th house; my Pluto in my 10th and his 7th house).

Pluto rules the 8th house for him, the 12th house for me (and the 11th house). So it kind of resonates with the Pluto-Venus-square in composite from 8th to 12th I guess, and making a MT with Eros in 4th.

In the composite, Pluto rules the MC, and Venus the IC.

"What do you know about the karmic nature of quincunx?"
I am as torn on this one as on the semisextile. However having a Moon-Saturn-quinkunx (exact) natally, I am very certain it is a strong aspect. I definitely feel that one.


"And you're absolutely certain some of those not quite quadrinoviles and not quite quincunxes aren't even loose quindeciles - right?"
No, I don`t believe in loose quindeciles. LOL

I have enough quindeciles with him as it is. lol

actually my own Venus is quindecily my Eros exact.

funnily enough his Eros is 15 degrees off my Psyche, which would be the polarity aspect to the quindecile, though it does not seem to be intrpreted at all.
Yet, when I started doing astrology, I always thought the 15 degree were important, mayb just because there are 15 degrees between my Neptune and my Sun-Mercury conjunction. And it semed to fit the bill so well. But I guess it doesn´t mean anything. But why not?
If we view the trine and sextile, and the quinkunx and semisextile, and the two squares, all of these add to 180°; why not viewing the 15 degree aspect as it complements the quindecile?


"Attention is clearly gotten here - on a deep level - but is there surface tension? How does the eroticism play out in that pattern?"
Not really sure.


"I know, -cough- how a regular old Eros-Mercury plays out. And an Eros-Neptune. (Oh, help me, Rhonda!) But what's the skinny on that particular pairing, per se?"
Tell me how does it play out?


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This (below) is a great link to find about ANY Composite Eros aspect.

Striking is that every Composite Eros-planet conjunction is marked as *GREAT LOVE* but when it comes to the ASC/DESC it's an *INCREDIBLY GREAT LOVE*, to the NN/SN a *DESTINED GREAT LOVE* ... but our hobbyhorse IC/MC is the absolute winner of all;

quote:
Composite Eros conjunct/opposition composite Midheaven

This is an *INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT GREAT LOVE* and you will build a structure together, whether home, family or business! The core and integrity of the relationship is touched and shaped deeply by this erotic connection. You are both challenged to love your vulnerabilities and find a sense of meaning in surrendering to Love.


Congratulations!

But here the rock on which we split;

Trine our Moon (only);

quote:
Composite Eros trine composite Moon

It is easy to surrender to this great Love in your feelings together! Your comfort together flows smoothly as you are touched and shaped deeply by this erotic connection. You can easily love your vulnerabilities and find a sense of meaning in surrendering to this Love. Whichever person appears to be the more receptive partner may identify much more with this flow of emotional comfort, when you are together.



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