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posted April 25, 2013 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, so anyway, the story keeps going on, we are both resentful, both unwilling to admit to dependency, he's perhaps more in love and i'm perhaps more drifting towards compassion/sympathy. Meanwhile the asteroids look approximately as below. I am obvs aware of the Eros Psyche conjunction in Pisces, and yet one might assume that is not mental enough, so there turns out to be sh*tloads more. And every day we can't forget each other - and I keep wondering if it's by mistake or design. We have been apart for 3 years, he keeps sending me mental messages now and again, I keep replying.

Did I really stumble upon something so unique it would be unrealistic to count on ever encountering a similar experience? Or is it nothing out of the ordinary?

If anyone wishes to take a look, I'd be super-grateful. I do Tarot or Lenormand (taking 3 days in the event of the worst case scenario), so feel free to claim.


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posted April 26, 2013 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When a woman's Psyche conjoins a man's Eros, it can be quite the potent sexual obsession. Not saying it's only sexual - but that it's clearly of an erotic nature.

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posted April 26, 2013 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ desire was part of it but it wasn't the driving force. In fact it wasa very spiritualised desire

I think a lot depends on the sign of the Eros psyche conjunction, Pisces in my case, so spiritualised eroticism perhaps I suppose

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posted April 26, 2013 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not exactly how Eros-Psyche works.

Did you say 'mental messages'? How exactly do you mean? Psychic transmission? If so, you'd want Telephus and Pallas for that.

Psyche is more the depth of longing. Soul's yearning for completion. One facet of many.

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posted April 27, 2013 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, Indigo.

However, in some cases I have seen that it is the Eros partner who feels most of the erotic attraction. Under certain circumstances Psyche could be a bit unaware of the erotic attraction. (at least until she "sees" ERos. There is a stage in which Psyche is practically blind.).

Maybe there needs other aspects in play as well for the Psyche partner indicating her attraction.

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posted April 27, 2013 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ceri, he is easily the one who feels more attraction. I don't think my erotic experience was any match for his. I literally fed off his experience of me and his pleasure. So what do you think, does the sign of the conjunction matter or does it not?

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posted April 27, 2013 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Andstuff,

it makes sense to me that the Eros-partner feels more, well, erotic.

The sign does matter of course. However, Eros stays Eros and Psyche stays Psyche, and Eros-Psyche conjunction is always about the Yin and Yang interplay, as we know it.
The sign it falls in shows probably how it is expressed.

And Eros-Psyche-conjunction in Gemini might express their erotic and soul attraction to each other in more verbal or mental ways, while with a Psices background it is more dreamy. Not necessarily more spiritual, as spirituality can be expressed in any sign, just in different ways

However, even if theconjunction falls in Gemini or Aquarius it does not mean the attraction in itself is "cooler" (there is nothing detached and cool about Eros and Psyche pairings), just that it might expressed in a more verbal, mental way.

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posted April 27, 2013 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ceri: thanks for clarifying

So this synastry doesn't strike you as anything extraordinary in terms of intensity/connection? Or is Eros conj Psyche enough to cause all the havoc ?

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posted April 27, 2013 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course it is something extraordinary in terms of intensity!
I didnīt get that this was the question, though you voiced it quite clearly. Sorry.

But just by a single look, you can see the signficance.

What my eyes are always drawn to, are conjunctions, and especially conjunctions with the angles, nodal or Vertex axis.

So let me gather:

- NN conjunct IC
- Saturn and SN conjunct MC
- Sun conjunct ASC

I hope his birthtime is known? Other wise these would not count.


Howvr what strikes me odd is that the inner person`s angls are not being hit like this. Is there a bit of a onesided affect going on?
I cannot see it too well, but if there are suares to the angles, these count as well of course.

RED NN might be square BLUE ASC And DESC.

The Neptune-uranus/SAturn conjuntion struck me as well. Yes, it is generational, unless you look at the ruled houses.

Blue 11th house ruler conjunct REd`s ASC-ruler. I fnd that beautiful for a friendship as a matter of fact. Not a loose friendship though,b ut one where really profound thoughts are being shared, the mental connection you have been talking about.

Especially since his dESc-ruler seems to be conjunct your intercepted 11th hosue ruler as well.

However, I don`t see which aspects your 5th house ruler Mercury makes (within 3 degree orb). Not sure if his 5th house ruler is aspecting anything either.
That would actually be a thing to watch out for, if you are intrested in a romantic connection.


There is of course the Moon-Mars-conjunction, which is about a very primal attraction usually, but you said you are not as attracted, so I guess it must make itself felt otherwise, mayb because Mars rules your 11th house.


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posted April 27, 2013 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also do not underestimate the power of his ASC on your Sun in your 8th house.

Something about these 8 house connections just makes people crawl under your skin (even if we ultimately might reject that feeling).

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posted April 27, 2013 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, his birthtime is guessed by ASC, so very approximate.

But I would bet nearly anything he's Capricorn rising, this Paul Newman/Bob Dylan sort of vibe, dark hair, features they call "chiselled" etc. He definitely doesn't look like any other rising sing either.

I am not saying I wasn't attracted, but with me it was more like I wanted to be with him because of other things. The first time he held me was by accident, he pulled me towards him because a car nearly ran me over, and we just stayed like that for a bit, all i knew it felt like coming home. Weird I guess. So I definitely felt desire, but it was in spite of his looks whereas his was definitely because of mine, if it makes sense

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posted April 27, 2013 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes it makes sense.

It sounds like your reaction to him was more kind of Moon/VEnus/Psyche like, while his reaction might have been triggered by something similiar to Venus/Eros/Mars maybe.

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posted April 28, 2013 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@andstuff: How approximate? Rather, what's the margin of error here? Ten degrees? More?

Also, @Ceri:

Wow. Serious lightbulb moment.

Yes, Psyche absolutely IS blind up to a point. She's going ENTIRELY off of faith; or obligation. Eros IS the one who falls for her - even if it's because he pricked himself on his own arrow. He's still in love with her.

I guess we forget the stages. We presume immediately that it's not evolutionary, but static. Psyche longs for Eros and feels complete in his presence; Eros desires Psyche and will do anything to have her.

But not at first.

At the start, Psyche is torn. She's so cared for and adored by Eros, but haunted by her family and friends suspicions that Eros is actually a monster - and she's a fool for allowing herself to abide by such blind trust. Literally.

Of course, once she can no longer accept going on blind faith, she betrays him by stealing a look to ensure he isn't a monster, and all her fears are negated. Until he awakens to find her there, and vanishes from sight. Then she's abandoned, and her trials to get him back begin.

Question is ... how is that seen in the synastry? How do you know when you've cleared the first half of the dynamic and are now operating with an ardent Eros and an aware and adoring Psyche?

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posted April 28, 2013 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo,

you know what is funny?
When I was at university my friend and me were doing a paper of the original story of Cupido/Amor/Eros and Psyche.
It is set in a frame story about a transformation, too, and the transformation for the main character (having been transformed in an "ass" actually. lol) results, AFTER the telling of the Amor and Psyche Story, in his initiation of the ISIS-cult, which was a big thing in the 1st century a.d.
It later on struck me, how closely intertwined Isis and Osiris were with this one, just because of the close association between Egypt and Rome in these days.

Anyway I disgress, my friend were doing the part on Psyche and I did the part on "momma`s boy".
Well, at some part in the story he definitely behaved like one. Running back to mommy and complaining and wailing and then when he decided he still wanted to be with Psyche, he ran away again to avoid a confrontation with his mum Venus.
Actually it was not only Psyche who went through a transformation process; it is true, Eros was in love with her throughout the story (aftr he pricked himself with the arrow), but he had to learn to acknowledge and admit to that love. Remember, at first he would only come in the dark to lie with her!
She was alone for the day, and only was with him during night (dream? subconsciousness? astral plane? ).
In any way he hid her away (he was afraid of Mommy`s anger, as he had been disobedient; as a matter of fact I think he planned to keep Psyche that way, his little secret in the dark) and going on as he always did during day.

And then she "saw" him; she directed light (consciousness) onto him, and thus forced him into a decision.
There was no way he could keep her in the dark anymore. Psychew ould no longer stay in his 12th house!
Not even in his 4th.

He fled, he ran. Of course he was hurt - literaly. But also, he was afraid. All his plans were shattered, and he was angry with her, cause she MADE him do it, she pushed him into that situation. And he did not want to transform, to grow up, grow apart from his mother maybe, did not want the conflict, the decision, did not want to say "Yes" to her in an unconditional all encompassing way.He wanted it all, and yet wanted everything to stay the same, as it felt comfortable to him. But no way!

He had to decide if he purged her out of his life completely or if he embraced her entirely, fessing up to everyone around about the way he felt about her.

He ran to heal, to hide and to decide. I think in the beginning he REALLY wanted to abandon her. But then apart from her, he had to realize that the inner transformation had already set in. He wasn`t the same as he used to be, and he couldnīt be without her.
It tok some more time to manifest that externally, but eventually he came to her rescue, waking her up from the deadly sleep she had fallen into.
Thus, like she did with him before, he now gently nudged her awake, so she could finish her task, complete her journey back to him.

I think it also means that in PsycheS journey there will be lapses, relapses. After the initial moment of realization, truth whatever and the learning and growing, there comes a time when the darkness, the blindness, the sleep comes back and overwhelms her, and it is then that her lover comes to give her a push into th right direction. Interestingly he did not take ovr her task; he let it do her by herself, just with alittle assistance along the way.

" She's going ENTIRELY off of faith;"
Ys, but it is not real genuine faith. She doesn`t have much of a choice. I think it is only during the journey that she realy learns to have faith, faith in her own feelings and not letting them get disturbed by some nasty jealous sisters.


"I guess we forget the stages."
Exactly.


"Question is ... how is that seen in the synastry? How do you know when you've cleared the first half of the dynamic and are now operating with an ardent Eros and an aware and adoring Psyche?"
Not sure about the astrology, but I think you know it when both stopped running away and really see each other, and allow the feelings to be, even if that means they might be rejected.

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posted April 28, 2013 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, funny you mentioned the golden ass, I was sort of jogging my memory about it the other day

In fact I've never tried to project this story on me and him and yet... I don't know. I felt I wanted to be with him, never knew why, just felt natural. Then I don't know who ran away. Guess we both did. He relapsed into horribly toxic lifestyle trying to forget me and get himself a life that didn't include me or wasn't lacking me. Ok fair enough. Then he started sending me weird messages such as "this way its worth for you and for me", "I don't want to suffer" etc. I'm really not sure anymore. I've definitely been through everything, I might have even descended into hell and back. Everyone I know calls him an idiot, an uneducated loser and worse. Everyone tells me to go look for someone and I would if only I could stumble upon feelings equally beautiful. I don't want to be an earthly woman by an earthly reliable mans side, not after this. I feel like I'm the only one who sees this beauty/purity of his soul he's going out of his way to soil and run away from because it's also a source of shame and boys can't cope with shame can they?

I'm pretty sure if we keep projecting mythology the ball is so in his court at this stage.

It's also funny how our Isis/Osiris aspect nodes and Eros/Psyche. I am so trying to figure out if I should give up on him or if I shouldn't. Its very rarely that I have dreams about him, he's always either very deplorable or very good looking and renewed, as if purified of everything. I can't live with this and can't live without this, very sad

I am not convinced he is my whatever - twinflame, partner in sacred marriage etc. And yet if someone offered that I retrieve all bits of his disjointed body and revive it, I would so do it, this second

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