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posted April 25, 2013 03:05 PM            

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I'm on the outside, them inside. There's times our relationship is intense and times when it's light hearted, and also times where one of us is feeling lovey and the other is like "TF?" I think we pick up our moods a lot faster than other friends do, there's a sense of closeness but also something that prevents me from feeling totally at ease.

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posted April 25, 2013 06:32 PM            

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Willing to read tarot if someone will answer questions I have

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posted April 25, 2013 08:59 PM            

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was the person on the inside born on Nov 26th 1987?

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posted April 25, 2013 09:02 PM            

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Actually I just noticed, I made mistake, I thought he was on the outside. so it's not his jupiter making the conjunction it's your jupiter with in this case rules house 6, which is conjunct his chart ruler, 12th house ruler and 3rd house ruler. Disregard what I wrote below.

his Jupiter, 7th house ruler is conjunct your sun/venus/mercury stellenium, in which mercury is the chart ruler and venus is 8th house ruler. I can tell you from my own personal experience that Venus conjunct jupiter is a very good aspect for a relationship especially when they rule 8th and 7th house. In my last relationship my our 8th and 7th house rulers were also conjunct (moon with mercury) and it was, still is the most profound relationship of my life. I'm not an expert, i don't read peoples charts, but this is something I noticed from my own experience and just wanted to let you know.

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posted April 25, 2013 10:37 PM            

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I know we have Venus conjunct Jupiter for sure though, I think it's my Venus and his Jupiter. Also he was born the 24th, but how did you know? We make each other happy when we're both being good to each other but when it gets bad, it's irritating, naturally. I'm not even sure he's a Cancer rising, he could be a Virgo one.

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posted April 25, 2013 10:58 PM            

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well both mooons are afflicted as well as a mars opposite saturn. And his mars is unaspected.

It's really not that bad... I can see where there can be tension but it seems like it's stuff that can be worked through.

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posted April 27, 2013 04:42 PM            

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well both mooons are afflicted as well as a mars opposite saturn. And his mars is unaspected.

It's really not that bad... I can see where there can be tension but it seems like it's stuff that can be worked through.

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There's nothing seriously afflicted with Neptune? I feel like he is trustworthy but at the same time there's something hiding.

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posted April 27, 2013 05:39 PM            

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The only affliction is your (outside) Uranus conjunct his Saturn. It may be your asc in his 12 with the Chiron action over there. Your 12h ruler is Venus squared by his moon and his 12h ruler is merc which is unapected.

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posted April 27, 2013 06:17 PM            

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Oh, I thought Venus square Moon only meant family problems. I'll have to look into it. Did you want me to read tarot for you littlecloud?

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posted April 28, 2013 10:47 PM            

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I don't have any new questions and most of the readings haven't completely played out yet so I'd like to wait a bit but thank you. If anything comes up I'll likely post in my thread again.

I was referencing possible neptune/12 house issues. There's some slight funkiness going on that may make you feel he's hiding something. But it could also just be your perception of him since your asc falls into his 12 house.

From cafeastrology:
Taking each other for granted and failing to give praise or acknowledgement for favors is an issue that you will have to deal with. Self-indulgence can also make life a bit difficult. Living beyond your means or seeking to keep up appearances will eventually create strain in your relationship. Take time to identify what's the most important value to strive for in any situation You will also learn how much to compromise and when it's too much, even for the sake of peace.

Although there is a natural appreciation and liking of each other, there will be times that you won’t appreciate each other’s habits. Or possibly your values are in conflict. Those will be difficult and frustrating times. You may feel undervalued or misunderstood by your partner. The affection is still there but you’ll have to work on the breach or any damage to the self-esteem of your partner. It’s important that you put effort into cherishing the good qualities that each of you have, even though they may be very different from your own. When you are in conflict make sure you don’t disparage your partner just because you don’t like their choices. Be sure to give credit where and when it is due. It’s easy to take the good graces and support of your partner for granted but it does harm to the goodwill of your relationship, long term. The purpose of this aspect is to teach you cooperation, negotiation and compromise.

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posted April 28, 2013 11:40 PM            

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The self-esteem part rings true. For whatever reason we affect each other's self-esteem. First him and mine, then later on I realized I was affecting his without realizing it. I had to constantly remind him I haven't gone anywhere.

Do you see anything in our chart about why we are SO opposite? I mean we are like night and day almost.

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posted April 29, 2013 10:17 PM            

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The first thing I can think of that stands out to me and I may be wrong so take it with a grain of salt, is his moon squaring your Aries stellium (no wonder I like you!) Firstly his moon is in capricorn which is very different in it's approach to a lot for one. I'm not a big fan of sun square moon in synastry. It may be great initially but without any aid from other planets it can become an issue because there is a lack of basic understanding, it's like you end up seeing the worst in each other. Now your stellium falls right on his moon/jupiter square and although a jupiter conjunction isn't too bad, actually it's usually very nice especially with sun, merc, and venus but here it's like you aggravate it and end up finding him to be wish washy. Jupiter in this position expands everything, good and bad. So when things are good they're great and when they're bad they're awful.

You guys probably talk a lot or can talk for hours but at times you likely trigger some type of nasty emotional response from him where he doesn't seem to understand where your're coming from or that you think he's taking too seriously. Now take that with his Saturn opposite your mars and his pluto opposite your moon and you have a bit of a power play. Personally I'm not a fan of Saturn. Super stifling even in the 'nicer' aspects but I'd rather have the nicer ones than a mars/saturn opposition bc he literally stifles your action and perhaps even sex appeal and things related to sex. With Pluto is like this pull on your soul, reaching in there to examine every bit of it and with the opposition it can be a bit painful.

It may be wide but if his mercury is opposite your moon and his moon is square your mercury it points to some serious communication issues. It's not too bad if you can learn to be objective and if it weren't double whammy but in addition to that, your 3rd H ruler is Sun and his is mercury which make no aspect to each other. So conversation is stimulating but also likely leads to arguments and you both can't understand why you can't understand each other at times. You may both have the same goal but different ways of achieving it and you both think your way is better. But with his 6th house stellium trine your 11th house stellium you both work at being friends.

He hits close to your DSC, exciting you and making you feel loved and just a very attractive pull but every relationship needs good communication. I've come to appreciate mercury trine mercury as an aspect.

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posted April 30, 2013 12:53 AM            

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YES I find him wishy-washy, and OMG were there communication issues. His Mercury conj. Pluto didn't make it easier. He seemed overly secretive and just tight lipped and lied a lot, and he was indirect as hell. YES he was stifling I think. He never complimented me, and if he did it was in a sarcastic manner. I think that stems partially from insecurity but still. You don't tell someone in private that they look nice and then publically go "Eh."

This: "He hits close to your DSC, exciting you and making you feel loved and just a very attractive pull but every relationship needs good communication. I've come to appreciate mercury trine mercury as an aspect."

How do I make him feel? Yeah somehow I did feel loved and was very understanding of him, I don't know why. Conversation wasn't hard when we were goofing around but trying to have serious conversations were difficult.

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posted April 30, 2013 12:54 AM            

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And yes we had to talk to each other every day, it was irksome not to even if we didn't have a lot of conversations. And yes I argued with him a lot because I was trying to show him he didn't need to be secretive with me.

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posted April 30, 2013 05:43 PM            

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I think he may have felt like you were ideal. It kinda goes both ways, that you excited him and he felt like showering you with as much love as possible, almost in service of you (6th house)which likely made him feel a bit vulnerable too for fear of losing you.

Does that sound right? I feel like I'm making no sense lately..or that I'm seeing everything wrong...

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posted April 30, 2013 08:45 PM            

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I guess he was affectionate, but not to my standards. He was really indirect. But I think he may have had a personality disorder so.... :/

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posted May 05, 2013 06:47 PM            

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He is a venus in sag conjunct Uranus (I know one of these) so no he wouldn't normally be too affectionate or affectionate at all. But all this trining your stellium and his stellium in his 6th hitting your DSC likely made him more affectionate to you than is normal to him, even if it's not showy enough for you. It was likely in practical matters, maybe helping you with school or studying, calming you down if you were stressed because of something.

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posted May 05, 2013 08:53 PM            

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He is a venus in sag conjunct Uranus (I know one of these) so no he wouldn't normally be too affectionate or affectionate at all. But all this trining your stellium and his stellium in his 6th hitting your DSC likely made him more affectionate to you than is normal to him, even if it's not showy enough for you. It was likely in practical matters, maybe helping you with school or studying, calming you down if you were stressed because of something.

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OH! Well that certainly puts a new perspective on things. I knew he had that in the beginning but didn't know it stayed after I adjusted his birth time to the kind of rising I decided he was. You're so right! Emotional stuff makes him uncomfortable so I try to act more friendly and fun than mushy with him. But he does see himself as a hopeless romantic and he has this way of picking out a very precise poster or song that describes us, etc. And yeah he calms me down a lot just by talking to him (not even about the subject stressing me out) I'm just never sure if we're on the same page or not, at this point I'm just going with the flow honestly. Dating here and there, but he doesn't like that too much.

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posted May 05, 2013 10:10 PM            

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He doesn't like that you're dating around? Post just his natal, how sure are you of the time, or the asc at least?

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posted May 05, 2013 10:45 PM            

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He doesn't like that you're dating around? Post just his natal, how sure are you of the time, or the asc at least?

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He won't say as much because he knows he doesn't have a right to, but he references it here and there in passive aggressive remarks.

His BD: Nov 24th, 1987. I think in another thread we were deciding if he was Cancer or Leo rising and we decided it was Cancer. I see Leo rising in his looks but Cancer/Scorpio in his personality (but he has Mercury conj. Pluto in Scorpio so...)

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posted May 05, 2013 11:17 PM            

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I'll look at the chart in a couple of days. I want to give it more than just a quick glance. Also don't forget that aspects to the asc can affect the way you look.

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posted May 05, 2013 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
I'll look at the chart in a couple of days. I want to give it more than just a quick glance. Also don't forget that aspects to the asc can affect the way you look.

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Oh that works out, it'll give me time to post it. And this is true!

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posted May 06, 2013 11:41 PM            

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Is there a moon opp pluto? That's fluctuating intensity.

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posted May 07, 2013 06:40 AM            

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Is there a moon opp pluto? That's fluctuating intensity.

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I'm pretty sure there is. There was in the noon chart I had before narrowing down what his ASC could be. Does it ever go away? It sure can bind two people together, can't it...but not in that calm, Saturnine way.

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posted May 07, 2013 06:51 AM            

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