posted May 04, 2013 08:52 AM            

Saturn rules his 12th house - that enhances the karmic theme from his perspective even more.
And since it falls into your 12th house - I am pretty sure now there was past life stuff between you, that will be worked out now, hopefully.

Could be very binding, though even in an uncomfortable way. Like you have no clue why you are so glued or attached, but it is just like it is.

° 8th house cusps are aligned with each other, and your 8th house Pluto on his 8th house cusp
- Ever read the hades-Persephone myth?
You are being pulled into the underworld, BUT like Persephone, probably you both need to be! In the very least this seems very transformational, but I don`t want to conceal that in my very personal opinion the 8th house is a NECESSARY ingredient in true soulmate relationship.

Actually looking especially for the connections of 8th house to 7th or 2nd house (curiously also the 8th-1st house combo popped up, though it relates more with Mars-Pluto than Venus-Pluto).
Also, the combo of 8th and 4th house comes up (soulfamily), and the combination of 8th and 12th house is maybe one of the most puzzling, yet intriguing ones. Not an easy one, but oh if you have it you WILL learn whatever there is to learn. NOt much choice involved with the water houses.

8th hous to 5th house usually comes up in the "you want a love that consumes you" kind of contracts; and you can substitute the word "love" with "sex".

Apart from that, we want to see angle-action. To have ANYTHING materialize in the real world; and luminaris of course.

So after making up the guidelines lets get to work now, shall we?

posted May 04, 2013 09:05 AM            

Besides the NN-ASC (one of the most compelling and binding connections there are - at least in terms of how something affects you, even if the relationship has not worked out, but then again for Mr Hanks and his wife, and for Mr Mc Cartney and his first wife it DID seem to work quite well), we see Sun on the ASC.

Biggie!
Even more biggie, cause his DESC-ruler conjuncts your ASC
Since it does fall into your 12th house still, he seems to have come from out of nowwhere, and BOOM there he was, and luminaries on angle? They will make you pay attention. You will never be able to ignore someone with their luminaries on any of your angles, even squarses seems to work that way.
(they do get your attention, even if sometimes you may not lke it).

Here though, he coming from nowwhere, falling into your life (ASC as the line that separates being born from being unborn), maybe he literally came from your past. 12th hous, and in Pisces to boot.

he brings his DESC ruler onto your ASC - you are exactly what he needs, what completes him.
Since his DESC ruler and your ASC falls into his 1st house, he seems to see a lot of common ground there, and he likes it. most of the time probably. Generally speaking.

However your Uranus squares his Sun - oh oh exciting, stimulating, she`s thrilling, she is special, she is unique - oh wait a moment, she was here a moment ago, wasn`t she?
Oh no she is gone, how could that happen? where did she run to? Why?
Oh there I see, she is back again. Where did she come from?

So or like that any planet blesed by a square to someone else`s Uranus could talk to themselves.

You challenge him, you excite him, you shock him, you shake him out of his comfort zone. In this case your Uranus squars his DESC-ruler.
So thrilling, so exciting, but also so unpredictable. Can he ever rely on you? Can the two of you ever have a stable relationship?
Something about your behaviour, though he needst he transformational kick out of his routines, makes him probably a bit scared about the potential future you could have.

But why is that?
Your Uranus rules your 12th house. SEe? How it all leads back to there?

some subconscious content bubbling up, some issues that need to be addressed. Past life revolutionary or runner? Are you used to be detached and independent? Do you fear losing yourself?

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your ASC-ruler, Mars, in his 7th house, on his Vertex, surely had something to say about his attraction to you as well. With Vertex involved, it certainly felt like "a bolt out of the blue".

Your Mars trines his Uranus, which equals a trine between your ASC-rulers; I feel this gives a basic harmony between you.

I notice of course that his URanus sits on the cusp of his 12th house, so 12th house again, and with it trining your ASC-ruler in his 7th house - another hint to a past life relationship, that may form again. Or at least you`ve known each other before.

I find it significant that there is this very exact conjunction of Uranus, Neptune and EROS on his 12th house cusp - some sort of otherworldy unique, dreamy erotic attraction there.

The ruler of his 5th house, MOon, ALSO in your 12th house, and opposing your Sun in HIS 7th house.
Of course that is a strong magnetism between Yin and Yang. And of course it is yet again an interconnection between Karma, past lives (12th house) and present relationships (7th house).
In the very least there is some mirroring and wake-up-call effect going on.
Since Moon rules his 5th house, and it opposes one of your luminaries, he might be alos sexually attracted to you. There is a definte spark.

He also has a 5th house Mars, which is exactly conjunct your Chiron.
Mars is the traditional ruler of his 8th house, so here we have a hint towards the soul-connection (which extends the karma of the 12th house and Saturn-NN).

I find this very very intriguing.
Chiron is where you do not have any kind of emotional skin. You are stripped bare and vulnerable; putting the notion of healing and wounding aside, it means that you can`t hide from him (and certainly not from a 5th house Mars!). He gets under your skin, and he does so, in your 4th house - an 8th-4th house connection with the inclusion of the 5th house - soulfamily-alarm and one that comes with some flirtative and erotic sparks.
He gets to you.

However, opposite your Neptune, of course the 12th house ruler , why am I even mentioning it?

of course it means that you have Chiron-Neptune-opposition, something from a past life being carried over and probably manifesting in a very sensitive sphere for you. Could even have to do with your family background.

There is confusion going on, insecurity, though also immense creativity and healing potential; however Neptune can be very teasing due to its elusiveness, and "not-quite here"- kind of ways, especially in relation to Mars.
Your Neptune opposite his Mars - probably a big tease to him. Powerful erotic images and fantasies evoked, at the same time you are just out of grasp. Something he can`t really touch about you. Something he can`t figure out, maybe he is sometimes a little sexually frustrated? lol

(also squares his Jupiter IT hink, not totally sure)

but it also trines your 8th house ruler Pluto - so you naturally have much regenerative power and self-healing capacities; but you have to get really involved and close to do that.

This Pluto in 8th house trines his Mars in 5th house and also trines his 5th house ruler Moon; if things get a little calmer (trine), there is a delicious flowing aspect involving the "sex-houses".
There is a lot of depth and soul-attraction there, but in a gentle way.

(but do not forget, his MOon in your 12th house).

Actually it looks like a Grand trine in your water houses - no wonder you are sucked in!
That is deep.

For him it might be a little more on a more ovbvious attraction level (1st-5th-8th house).

let me check for the 8th-2nd/1st connections:

°your 8th house ruler Pluto trine his intercepted 1st house ruler Mars
° (your 8th house ruler Pluto trine his 7th house ruler Mercury in his 1st house)

° his 8th house ruler Pluto is unaspected

° your trad. 8th house ruler Mars conjunct his Vertex in 7th house

° your Mars trine his ASC-ruler Uranus in his 12th house

° his Mars conjuncts your Chiron in your 4th and his 5th house

° his Mars opposes your 12th house ruler Neptune

° I am not sure what planet is on the Apex of the T-square.

However, the other aspect pattern that stands out is of course

your MOon and Venus opposing his Venus and squaring his Uranus I think?

It is a very strong attraction pattern, but not of the easy kind. Actually you both have Uranus squaring each other`s DESC-ruler. It surely will be fascinating, electric, I guess the electricity between you must be off the charts.
But it depends on how you individually deal with Uranus typical traits, to say you can make that one a lasting relationship.

From that overview I`d think there is definite Karma at play (NN-Saturn; 12th house activation); there is a LOT of electric and emotional attraction going on; and yes, I`d think you are soulmates.I am however not convinced if you are twinflames. But then again some people do not even believe in that concept.

posted May 04, 2013 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Angles - not much there on first glance, but oh wait, w havenīt had our glasses on.

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he he

posted May 04, 2013 03:27 PM            

You pick up on so many more nitty gritty details it's amazing. I'm going to read your posts now, and bow down to ya at the same time!

Just out of curiosity, how long have you been reading charts for?

If it's possible, *do* check out the Composite and even the Davidson (if you're keen, I do find the sun, moon and mercury conjunction and venus and mars conjunction in the Davidson to be interesting?).

Thanks hun, you're bloody awesome.

posted May 04, 2013 08:47 PM            

I took a look at the composite. I'd start off without the asteroids, get the basics down first. I'm worried you don't have the love stellium. However, there are loose connections, you have Mercury opposing soon which relates to Neptune which Venus is conjunct with.

However, these yods are super interesting to me. One pointing to Sun and the other pointing to Venus/Neptune. I am leaving the Sabian symbols at the bottom for you. Also, I think the IC/MC actually placates the Mercury/Moon oppose Sun.

That's about it on my end - not seeing any house rulership stuff jump out - to be frank. Again, I'm kinda tired today - put a lot into that horary thread! Do you have any specific questions - I am still learning, but perhaps I can try to look at more specific things? I am better with natal charts to be honest, not so complicated!

You know one thing to consider is Draconics - IQ has some advice on this.
http://www.tamsoft.co.in/soulmates.html
http://www.tamsoft.co.in/draconic.html

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Sabian Symbols from Dane Rudhyar

Sun in Gemini 20 46

PHASE81 (GEMINI 21°): A TUMULTUOUS LABOUR DEMONSTRATION

KEYNOTE: The revolutionary impact of mental concepts upon the collective emotions and desires of man.

This symbol parallels the one that began the process of "exteriorization" (Gemini 16°), but the process is seen here operating definitively at the level of collective responses. The mass of men have been aroused by mental images, slogans and an appetite for the abundance the "ruling class" enjoys. This also applies to the individual person in whom contrasting spheres of activity have taken shape as the result of the mind-based individualizing process. The organic functions make their collective demands upon the lordly intellect. The stage may be set for the kind of "revolution" we call psychoneurosis.

This begins the seventeenth five-fold sequence of symbols. It sets the stage for a tumultuous process, which may lead to a new approach to the problems resulting from individualization. The repressed or oppressed instincts stage an EMOTIONAL OUTBURST, claiming their due.

Neptune in Capricorn 15 17

PHASE 286 (CAPRICORN 16°): SCHOOL GROUNDS FILLED WITH BOYS AND GIRLS IN GYMNASIUM SUITS.

KEYNOTE: The need for physical activity and play, especially in adolescence.

Society has learned that a balanced combination of intellectual study and physical activity is necessary for the harmonious development of the human personality. Adults often forget this under the pressure of money-making and other duties, and this symbol reminds us of it.