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ueharaa
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posted May 30, 2013 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The past 6 years haven't been that great and I don't think it's getting any better so I've been wondering what could explain it astrology wise...
It started by the end of 2007 and this is my natal chart with transits and progressions :


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I don't know what else you would need to assess such things but I am curious as to what could point to this

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posted May 30, 2013 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i hope other people respond too, because you have an interesting chart and i'd like to learn more myself. but, what struck me first is that you have jupiter (the planet of luck) opposite several planets in your stellium. that would indicate some bad luck, sure. and your stellium is clustered in the houses dealing with family/relationships/health with an absense of planetary energy in other areas, such as travel, friendship, career, money, etc. you also have a lot of capricorn/saturn energy ... people with a lot of saturn feel mature beyond their years, and yet really want to be youthful/spirited, but somehow feel inhibited, and it'll be even more pronounced since you have cap/saturn as your moon sign conjunct to your mercury and venus. cap moons (i am one myself) can get into melancholy quite easily and feel depressed, unworthy, etc. when things don't go their way. and an aqua venus wouldn't help your cause - it's a detached placement (aqua) that doesn't form tight/loving bonds well, the same as your cap moon struggles. i'm not sure what areas of your life you're feeling unlucky in, but i do see in your chart the need to (likely) be much more outgoing with people and relationships and not allow all that saturn energy to hold you back. i have a large stellium also and the thing that can happen with such a large stellium is that you neglect areas of your life in favor of others. for example, i have a stellium of 7 planets in the 10th (of career), so i never foucsed on love/romance until much later in life and always felt unlucky in love; i wasn't actually unlucky, just neglecting that area. you might just be focused too intently on certain areas, given your stellium, and by concetrating on the other areas you might find some relief from that 'bad luck'

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posted May 30, 2013 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I didn't read all of what starmoon posted. But for me its not the stellium. You have a yod and its pointing to Jupiter which is the givers of gift and luck, and Jupiter is also in retrograde. To handle this, because astrology is all about learning to make our weaknesses into our strengths and how we respond to what we have been given. I would consider where the Jupiter is. I've posted the Sabian Symbol below.

Thankfully, the Jupiter is within the orb of it being exalted in Cancer, so that's no so bad. I think technically you would want it at the exact degree of 15, but you should ask someone who has more experience reading charts - Ceri is super good.

I'd also look at the base of this Yod, you have Venus in Rx in Aquarius as well as Mars in Sag. For example, are these planets in dignity or debility?
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

Last point is to consider, Ruler of the 5th and 9th in the 12th house - i.e. Jupiter naturally rules Sag and Pisces. Skyviewzone had the best descriptions, but you can also look for it on Cafe astrology. 12th is the house of secrets and undoings...

Some other things - Chiron is in a loose orb with this Jupiter so this is all about healing, look into what Chiron as an asteroid means and what happens when it is in conjunction with Jupiter.

Anyhow, that's my quick 5 minute reading. Good luck and hope its helpful!

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SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL

PHASE 96 (CANCER 6°): GAME BIRDS FEATHERING THEIR NESTS.

KEYNOTE: An instinctual dedication of self to new forms of life.

The original symbol (which was subsequently altered) spoke here of "game birds"; thus we deal with spiritual forces (birds) placed within a social context. As in the symbol for Cancer 1° we see here the beginning of a process; action is definitely oriented toward the future. A new wave of life is starting and a concrete - and no longer symbolical - preparation is made for it. At a social level - we can speak of the pioneering efforts dedicated to the building of a new culture, new institutions.

This is the first stage of the twentieth five-fold sequence. It reveals a preparation for rebirth, and a significant note is sounded by the mention of game birds. What is being built is instinctively - but not yet consciously - offered to a higher level of consciousness. The young-to-be are potential sacrifices to feed human beings. Just as tribal men sacrificed virgins to satisfy the gods. Already the meaning of the second half of the cycle (the first degree of Libra, for instance) is implied, just as the entire social process is implied in the formalism of the marriage ceremony. An appropriate key would be SYMBIOSIS, i.e. a deep unconscious cooperation between different levels of existence, the "animal" level producing lives for the sake of the "human."

FROM: Dane Rudhyar, Sabian Symbols

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posted May 30, 2013 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a few things that I'm noticing right off the bat:

Transit North Node conjunct natal Pluto - This strikes me as a point right now where major upheaval in some form is likely to happen. It doesn't have to be catastrophic, it could be either a slow burn or it could be a more internal catharsis. In Scorpio, my vibe about health is going off a little bit. May be a good time for a checkup to be on the safe side. North Node transits the zodiac about 18 years or so offhand, so this wouldn't have been the catalyst for the entire last 6 years.

Progressed Venus Retrograde conjunct natal Descendant/Mercury/Moon - I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that some of your difficulties within the last several years have involved other people and very likely in the realm of romance (based on the Venus progression). Venus started retrograde natally, so it has to go direct by progression at some point. Could be soon. You could start experiencing a pickup on the social / outward facing front if I'm right about this, so don't lose hope.

Progressed Mercury conjunct Transit Pluto conjunct natal Neptune, within orb for the Yod Kite (Mars sextile Venus retro, both quincunx Jupiter retro, with natal Neptune, and more so natal Uranus and Pluto pulling the bowstring so to speak)... hmm.... Pluto's a slow mover.
- That progressed Mercury placement is really throwing me... did it go retrograde soon after you were born and have a short retrograde cycle?
- The Transit Pluto would most definitely, in my view, been activating all sorts of energy in this Yod Kite. Jupiter, being lord of your 6th house Sagittarius, and being retrograde and being opposed by this transit Pluto... either there's some underlying health problems or you're having a hell of a time in a job with other people being not-so-helpful (as opposed to a career which would be 10th house). With progressed Mercury, are there more messages/emails/calls regarding job-related incidents? Also, with transit Pluto starting to line up with opposing natal Chiron... I'm going to recommend some stress-relieving techniques like meditation for that time period in the next couple years. I'm not sure entirely.
- Progressed Moon conjunct natal Mars: It sounds like from your description that emotions are running hot at the moment. Moon moves fairly quickly in progressions so this influence should subside in a couple weeks somewhat (assuming I have the speed of a progressed moon right).
- Transit Saturn sextile natal Uranus, well this one is a little more positive. There's a potential here for applying some needed changes, just have to keep the eye on the ball. Could be taking up a hobby that you could apply to a different job track (or even career, perhaps). Or starting a new exercise plan (which doubles as stress relief, especially when you start seeing results).

I'm going to say there's probably going to be some more rough patches in the next few years given the Pluto transits, but the worst may be over. Pluto's getting past a few rough points so it should ease up for you.

Hoping this helps a bit.

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ueharaa
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posted May 31, 2013 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by starmoon:
i hope other people respond too, because you have an interesting chart and i'd like to learn more myself. but, what struck me first is that you have jupiter (the planet of luck) opposite several planets in your stellium. that would indicate some bad luck, sure. and your stellium is clustered in the houses dealing with family/relationships/health with an absense of planetary energy in other areas, such as travel, friendship, career, money, etc. you also have a lot of capricorn/saturn energy ... people with a lot of saturn feel mature beyond their years, and yet really want to be youthful/spirited, but somehow feel inhibited, and it'll be even more pronounced since you have cap/saturn as your moon sign conjunct to your mercury and venus. cap moons (i am one myself) can get into melancholy quite easily and feel depressed, unworthy, etc. when things don't go their way. and an aqua venus wouldn't help your cause - it's a detached placement (aqua) that doesn't form tight/loving bonds well, the same as your cap moon struggles. i'm not sure what areas of your life you're feeling unlucky in, but i do see in your chart the need to (likely) be much more outgoing with people and relationships and not allow all that saturn energy to hold you back. i have a large stellium also and the thing that can happen with such a large stellium is that you neglect areas of your life in favor of others. for example, i have a stellium of 7 planets in the 10th (of career), so i never foucsed on love/romance until much later in life and always felt unlucky in love; i wasn't actually unlucky, just neglecting that area. you might just be focused too intently on certain areas, given your stellium, and by concetrating on the other areas you might find some relief from that 'bad luck'

I never thought about jupiter making hard aspect to many planets in my charts as bad. I guess it's because I only just focused on the fact that it is in the 12th house and that it is supposedly a good placement. But it does make a lot of sense that hard aspect from jupiter would not ease things out.
As for the capricorn stellium, well, yes I am heavily ruled by saturn. I don't know if it factors in but I just can't do anything right. I don't feel unlucky because in the end it really is because of me and not some outside forces that I can't prevent. And it has to do with every part of my life, education, work, relationship, career..

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ueharaa
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posted May 31, 2013 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by imeanj:
So I didn't read all of what starmoon posted. But for me its not the stellium. You have a yod and its pointing to Jupiter which is the givers of gift and luck, and Jupiter is also in retrograde. To handle this, because astrology is all about learning to make our weaknesses into our strengths and how we respond to what we have been given. I would consider where the Jupiter is. I've posted the Sabian Symbol below.

Thankfully, the Jupiter is within the orb of it being exalted in Cancer, so that's no so bad. I think technically you would want it at the exact degree of 15, but you should ask someone who has more experience reading charts - Ceri is super good.

I'd also look at the base of this Yod, you have Venus in Rx in Aquarius as well as Mars in Sag. For example, are these planets in dignity or debility?
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

Last point is to consider, Ruler of the 5th and 9th in the 12th house - i.e. Jupiter naturally rules Sag and Pisces. Skyviewzone had the best descriptions, but you can also look for it on Cafe astrology. 12th is the house of secrets and undoings...

Some other things - Chiron is in a loose orb with this Jupiter so this is all about healing, look into what Chiron as an asteroid means and what happens when it is in conjunction with Jupiter.

Anyhow, that's my quick 5 minute reading. Good luck and hope its helpful!

----

SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL

PHASE 96 (CANCER 6°): GAME BIRDS FEATHERING THEIR NESTS.

KEYNOTE: An instinctual dedication of self to new forms of life.

The original symbol (which was subsequently altered) spoke here of "game birds"; thus we deal with spiritual forces (birds) placed within a social context. As in the symbol for Cancer 1° we see here the beginning of a process; action is definitely oriented toward the future. A new wave of life is starting and a concrete - and no longer symbolical - preparation is made for it. At a social level - we can speak of the pioneering efforts dedicated to the building of a new culture, new institutions.

This is the first stage of the twentieth five-fold sequence. It reveals a preparation for rebirth, and a significant note is sounded by the mention of game birds. What is being built is instinctively - but not yet consciously - offered to a higher level of consciousness. The young-to-be are potential sacrifices to feed human beings. Just as tribal men sacrificed virgins to satisfy the gods. Already the meaning of the second half of the cycle (the first degree of Libra, for instance) is implied, just as the entire social process is implied in the formalism of the marriage ceremony. An appropriate key would be SYMBIOSIS, i.e. a deep unconscious cooperation between different levels of existence, the "animal" level producing lives for the sake of the "human."

FROM: Dane Rudhyar, Sabian Symbols


I don't understand the yod, how it works or what its effects are. I know it's supposed to give you a purpose and such but well that is not my case at all. And I don't really feel that a yod pointing to the 12th house can be a good thing.
I do have chiron in the 12th too and opposing saturn so maybe I should focus on this?
Thanks for the sabian symbol. I am going to read it and try to get a better understanding of it.

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ueharaa
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posted May 31, 2013 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
There's a few things that I'm noticing right off the bat:

Transit North Node conjunct natal Pluto - This strikes me as a point right now where major upheaval in some form is likely to happen. It doesn't have to be catastrophic, it could be either a slow burn or it could be a more internal catharsis. In Scorpio, my vibe about health is going off a little bit. May be a good time for a checkup to be on the safe side. North Node transits the zodiac about 18 years or so offhand, so this wouldn't have been the catalyst for the entire last 6 years.


I didn't even notice this. It could explain a lot though. Tr North node is also square my own natal nodal axis. It's true that things started to get really heavy when north node returned now that I think about it.

quote:
Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
Progressed Venus Retrograde conjunct natal Descendant/Mercury/Moon - I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that some of your difficulties within the last several years have involved other people and very likely in the realm of romance (based on the Venus progression). Venus started retrograde natally, so it has to go direct by progression at some point. Could be soon. You could start experiencing a pickup on the social / outward facing front if I'm right about this, so don't lose hope.

Yes you're right, I mean it was't because of other people but relationships became a huge issue for me. And well since I was born at the very beginning of retrograde venus, it won't go direct until I reach at least 40. So it won't be soon. But anyway right now I just don't expect anything relationship wise or friendship wise etc...

quote:
Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
Progressed Mercury conjunct Transit Pluto conjunct natal Neptune, within orb for the Yod Kite (Mars sextile Venus retro, both quincunx Jupiter retro, with natal Neptune, and more so natal Uranus and Pluto pulling the bowstring so to speak)... hmm.... Pluto's a slow mover.
- That progressed Mercury placement is really throwing me... did it go retrograde soon after you were born and have a short retrograde cycle?
- The Transit Pluto would most definitely, in my view, been activating all sorts of energy in this Yod Kite. Jupiter, being lord of your 6th house Sagittarius, and being retrograde and being opposed by this transit Pluto... either there's some underlying health problems or you're having a hell of a time in a job with other people being not-so-helpful (as opposed to a career which would be 10th house). With progressed Mercury, are there more messages/emails/calls regarding job-related incidents? Also, with transit Pluto starting to line up with opposing natal Chiron... I'm going to recommend some stress-relieving techniques like meditation for that time period in the next couple years. I'm not sure entirely.
- Progressed Moon conjunct natal Mars: It sounds like from your description that emotions are running hot at the moment. Moon moves fairly quickly in progressions so this influence should subside in a couple weeks somewhat (assuming I have the speed of a progressed moon right).
- Transit Saturn sextile natal Uranus, well this one is a little more positive. There's a potential here for applying some needed changes, just have to keep the eye on the ball. Could be taking up a hobby that you could apply to a different job track (or even career, perhaps). Or starting a new exercise plan (which doubles as stress relief, especially when you start seeing results).

I'm going to say there's probably going to be some more rough patches in the next few years given the Pluto transits, but the worst may be over. Pluto's getting past a few rough points so it should ease up for you.

Hoping this helps a bit.


Yes pluto has been on my sun since 2008 I think, meanwhile uranus went on to square my sun-jupiter opposition and saturn also squared all of my cap cancer placements in 2011. Still squaring venus.
And yes mercury retrograde soon after I was born and just turned direct in progressions a few years ago (2010 I think?)
Hmm maybe it is just an occurrence of bad transits and progressions combined..

Thank you to the three of you for your analysis and taking time to do so.

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ueharaa
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posted June 06, 2013 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am bumping this.
I am sorry if I come off as insisting but I'd like to understand why things are like that for me and what I'm supposed to expect for the years to come (ie restraints and limits) if it is possible to see such things in a chart.
I find myself exactly where I was four years ago, minus some options that I don't have anymore. All these years where I made efforts were for nothing. People my age, who used to be classmate back then, have graduated, are working and have some social life, healthy relationships etc.
I am well aware that these alone don't make one happy since there are well accomplished people that still are not. But the absence of it certainly isn't helpful either right?
I feel rather awful about myself, and I don't understand why things turned out this way.
If anyone can offer some insights, I would really appreciate it.

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posted June 29, 2013 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for curiouswoman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I am also a capricorn and can say that the past 6 years have been very difficult but very much a valuable lesson. I hope it gets better for us cappies.

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