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Topic: Horary - help with interpretation needed
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Astro keen
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posted June 09, 2013 06:14 PM
  
SEE AN UPDATE BELOW-------------------------- I'm trying to learn Horary but very very slowly. Here's a chart for the question: will we enjoy our weekend together? And there is no reason to suspect otherwise. I thought this would provide a straightforward yes answer which would be plain to see. But it is not so simple! This is as far as I have got.  The querent, Jupiter, is combust (too close to sun) and shows the querent is fearful. If combust, can it said to be in dignity? Jupiter is the 7th house also shows the querent is the more ardent of the two. This may be supported by the fact that the ruler of the 7th is in the 7th house which is said to show that the person being asked about thinks little of the querent (eek!). The second significator, Moon, is in reception with Mercury (same sign). However, separated by Venus - would that be a girlfriend coming in the way? Unless Venus is also a significator for the querent. Then we're home and dry! On the other hand, an application from the Moon to Venus can indicate the relationship will develop, if both in essential dignities. Are they? Another plus - significators are in water signs, so the matter looks promising. Mercury trines Neptune, which by some is said to be co-ruler of Sag. If so, then it's a yes. Not sure what a trine wth Saturn would indicate. A second significator for the quesited since he is an older guy? Part of Fortune in the 1st appears to be a lucky sign. However, Pluto opp both Mercury and Venus may cause some strife. I hope it isn't all way off the mark. With so many possibilites of getting it wrong, I would be grateful for some guidance. IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted June 09, 2013 06:59 PM
So looking at this briefly. I would say that the moon is a bit wonky - i.e. in some ways its still void because its coming out of transition. Kind of like an insect or animal that has just molted - if that makes any sense.Second point I would look more to how dignified the planets are - i.e. how is Mercury in Cancer? Are you exalted in Gemini? Its more when the planet is in its own sign its that the quiested has a tendency to be self absorbed - however, he is faster than you as mercury so actually he is more keen. There is a lot going on in this chart - so it would be good to take time and look at each point you have mentioned. However, I cannot do that at this time, but I am sure someone else will. Hug! And hope all of this works out I know it has been a long time coming! PS I am not seeing any aspects - which is what you are mainly looking for...though moon would eventually conjunct Mercury. :/ IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted June 10, 2013 05:36 AM
Thank imeanj. Good to correct and learn more. So, I as Jupiter, am combust and in detriment. If this is coming as a warning, i.e., to be anxious would be detrimental, then that is a good thing. If it portends something more negative, then that doesn't make sense. If understood incorrectly, this could become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm still uncertain about the role Venus and Moon are playing here as there seem to be various interpretations. Hope someone can advise. IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted June 10, 2013 02:43 PM
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imeanj
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posted June 10, 2013 02:53 PM
I know how studious you are - so read thru some of this for help. I feel that the Venus is not good, because of its placement - i.e. see Depth's comments in this thread on Mars.Sorry, its like drive-by help on LL today and for the next week or so. Hug! [edited link] *Sideline advice, let go of this situation for the time being - put it down and spend some time focusing on you and maybe go for walks now that the weather is better. I feel if you clear it, what you want may happen. i.e. I know karma clearing etc is cumbersome especially for you at times given the circumstances/cultural heritage - but go light some candles in a church, appreciate the beauty of the space, and release some of that burden, you have done well and accomplished a lot my friend and it is okay to say well done to your inner child. (IMHO) IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted June 10, 2013 03:01 PM
Great advice imeanj, as I'm right into releasing, cultural background notwithstanding. Couldn't understand much on that link. It is harder trying to release the need to fathom horaries for the moment! IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted June 18, 2013 12:01 PM
HORARY PROVED TO BE FALSE!!Just providing an update on the weekend in question. It went very well. I, as Jupiter, was a little fearful at the start. But later, I became more confident as we both had a very good time. Everything worked in our favour - the meals we ate, people we met etc. I am still uncertain about our future together, but that is more because of the fact that we live so far apart. So, could somene please help me understand what it was in the horary that redressed the belance of me, Jupiter, being combust? The answer to my question - will we enjoy our weekend together? - should have been a resounding yes, but it didn't appear to be. IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted June 18, 2013 01:43 PM
I think my first comment here goes - the moon is still coming out of its original sign and is void of course, which renders the chart unreadable - which would make sense as to why it conflicted with reality.Glad to hear that it turned out well! <3 PS, Also know that with all of this fortune telling/predicting that we are doing - free will still and always is a factor. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted June 18, 2013 02:02 PM
Actually this horary presented a Yes imo.Jupiter is in Gemini, ruled by HIS significator.
Mercury is in Cancer, the exaltation of Jupiter.
So both are very taken with each other, the mutual reception could not be any mroe positive. It is true though, it would have been great if there had been an aspect between those two. Jupiter, as you said, was feeling a little fearful, maybe even overwhelmed, which might be due to the combustion of it. However, it is not yet in the "red-alarm-area", just barely entered the rays of the sun. Besides I have never seen it really being a drama, except for giving a feeling of being overwhelmed or sometimes powerless against an attraction for example. Moon is anything but void of course. It has just started its way through Cancer. At home. Powerful emotional Moon there. As a matter of fact the Moon is applying into an antiscion relationship with Jupiter, which works like a subtle aspect. And Moon likes Jupiter oh so much. Now Moon is representing the course of events mainly (and is also your co-significator btw). What it means is that the course of events is much to your taste. The next aspects of Moon are a trine to Saturn and a conjunction to Venus - what to complain about?
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EmpressMendez
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posted June 18, 2013 02:46 PM
I agree, plus the Moon is in Cancer - @ home where it can really act.. quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually this horary presented a Yes imo.Jupiter is in Gemini, ruled by HIS significator.
Mercury is in Cancer, the exaltation of Jupiter.
So both are very taken with each other, the mutual reception could not be any mroe positive. It is true though, it would have been great if there had been an aspect between those two. Jupiter, as you said, was feeling a little fearful, maybe even overwhelmed, which might be due to the combustion of it. However, it is not yet in the "red-alarm-area", just barely entered the rays of the sun. Besides I have never seen it really being a drama, except for giving a feeling of being overwhelmed or sometimes powerless against an attraction for example. Moon is anything but void of course. It has just started its way through Cancer. At home. Powerful emotional Moon there. As a matter of fact the Moon is applying into an antiscion relationship with Jupiter, which works like a subtle aspect. And Moon likes Jupiter oh so much. Now Moon is representing the course of events mainly (and is also your co-significator btw). What it means is that the course of events is much to your taste. The next aspects of Moon are a trine to Saturn and a conjunction to Venus - what to complain about?
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Ceridwen
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posted June 18, 2013 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
I agree, plus the Moon is in Cancer - @ home where it can really act..
Yes, exactly. The only thing that is weird is there is no direct aspect. But then again the question was about "enjoyment", which is a state of mind and feeling, rather than an action. IP: Logged |
Astro keen
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posted June 18, 2013 04:00 PM
Thank you Ceri and Empress. This just goes to show how multifaceted Horary can be - and reading some guidance off websites, which is what I did, simply isn't good eough for a fuller understanding of all these facets.Just a thought - my uncetainty about the future of this relationship may be indicated by the lack of a direct aspect. Thanks again. Your input is really appreciated. IP: Logged | |
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