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Topic: Which Tarot symbols rule cold air, cold atmospheric fronts and such?
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andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted June 29, 2013 09:31 AM
I don't care if I get a headache, I don't care if it exhausts me, I don't care how many people around where I live want "summery summer". It's scorching hot and it's killing me. The weather forecast makes me wanna commit suicide. I wanna try something in order not to die. Which is why I would be grateful If someone told me which cards represent cold air, or at any rate some symbolic representation of "summer going away". Maybe if I pray hard enough it will be good? The sun + 6 swords? Might this one work? Many many thanks in advance IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted June 30, 2013 03:42 AM
Oh! I like this way of using the cards! Weather forecast with tarot You could actually daily practice with it Sun + 6 of swords could work, yes. But try asking your cards. I can imagine the symbolism could be very personal. 5 of pents is an obvious one, hermit possibly and also the wheel for weather change. I would look closely to the images on the cards. That's the way I expect they will 'show you' the weather. All swords cards have a certain 'coolness' in them and some relate swords to the 'winter season'. Just try working with them and make notes how they tell you Nice! I might start trying this too IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted June 30, 2013 06:43 AM
I wanted to do a spell, Twirl And what can I say today it's nicely cloudy and not hot at all, nice cold breeze etc. it's not like a proper cold front can materialise out of nowhere the very same day though, so it's not a cold front im sure I used ace of swords plus 6 swords plus the sun. I suppose I should do it again though, who knows if it's gonna last And let me say I love the idea around the wheel and the hermit, will give that a try as well. I suppose as long as no one gets hurt I'm not doing anything bad am I? Even though maybe its just a coincidence. Still the forecast said at night would be 21 centigrade and it was 16! IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted June 30, 2013 08:02 AM
Aah okay, I'm not really pro using spells for personal gain where greater processes are influenced. That's walking the line between the darker and lighter energies which also is a personal choice of course. Even though I doubt the weather changed because of that at this point. But quite frankly, if you want colder weather then the solution is not spells to change that, the solution is to look if you should relocate. Using magic takes great responsibility and it's wise to handle it with care. Also do realise that you are working with great energies that do exist and they are very strong. Probably much stronger then you expect them to be. Again, I'm pro everyone making their own choices in what path they want to be on, but to me there is a huge difference in how magic is used. Energies to me are not neutral and "can be bended". The white ones come from a source of love and are pure bliss. Absolutely not the same source where energies are detracted from to influence and control. To use Crowley as an example again. Yes. He was good and understood the magical process. Did his energies come from love/the universe and were they used for the greater good? No. He used them to enhance his ego and to attain power. That is a very different approach. Btw, it is not my intention to sound like a school teacher, but I did feel the need to explain the differences in a nutshell. The rest is all up to you if course
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andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted June 30, 2013 10:31 AM
No of course no offense is taken I understand about Crowley. But in my defence I can say the heat was unbearable to quite a few people, Everyone was complaining and uncomfortable, my objective was not to tickle my vanity. The forecast said 30 C all of next week. I just thought I'd try and see what happens, I wasn't positive there would be any result at all. I don't know for sure if my actions did it but if they did... If I have anything in me it's so unevolved. I have some idea of what I'd never do. Like love spells, power spells etc. Anything involving other people. After I realised my ill wishes come true I stopped wishing people ill (someone actually broke a leg after running too enthusiastically over my head - that was scary And I was 15 so that was some kinda lesson for life) I'm doing my best to have an ethic I guess IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 01, 2013 10:05 AM
Lol, well... Thing is you can never know if it is for the good of all, even if 'everyone' is complaining. Unless you speak to every single person in that part of the country I have no problem with love spells by the way. It just depends on how it is asked. And not to put will on others... But I'm sure many disagree with that as well. By the way, I would like to try out a 'life tree' tarot reading on you if that's okay. It's a rather complicated reading (takes quite some time to get it right), but I find that they can be way more accurate than The Celtic Cross. Would you mind being my guinea pig? I do not think I'll do it today, but will put you first on the list.
quote: Originally posted by andstuff: No of course no offense is taken I understand about Crowley. But in my defence I can say the heat was unbearable to quite a few people, Everyone was complaining and uncomfortable, my objective was not to tickle my vanity. The forecast said 30 C all of next week. I just thought I'd try and see what happens, I wasn't positive there would be any result at all. I don't know for sure if my actions did it but if they did... If I have anything in me it's so unevolved. I have some idea of what I'd never do. Like love spells, power spells etc. Anything involving other people. After I realised my ill wishes come true I stopped wishing people ill (someone actually broke a leg after running too enthusiastically over my head - that was scary And I was 15 so that was some kinda lesson for life) I'm doing my best to have an ethic I guess
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andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 01, 2013 11:00 AM
Twirl!! I would adore that very much. And my RWS, Deviant moon or Lenormand would be at your disposal as well if you deem it useful. I haven't done a Lenormand Grand Tableau for someone online in a long time either, so if you want one I'd be happy to offer one in exchange. Is the Tree of life a general thing or is there supposed to be a question? I guess speaking of love spells I meant those that make a person who has no feelings start having those feelings. A bit like "Imperio" in Harry Potter is what they seem to be. Precisely because there is interference with free will. I know there are others like asking for new love and all that, no harm in those to be sure Also speaking of Crowley I am still having a hard time believing he actually did anything, perhaps just waving things about. But then I haven't read his bio (only bits retold by people), so maybe there's proof he actually did some magic or other. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 01, 2013 03:20 PM
Hi A question or an area of interest is helpful. So if you have a question you can ask me I used them on myself for just the 'general situation' and as with the celtic cross the most important stuff then comes up.I might verify what I see in between, because with general, the direction isn't instantly clear to me. Also when I read I mostly see the 'psychological process' that is going on and how that evolves. Lovely if you also want to try the cards on me, but it's absolutely no 'must' and just wait until I did your reading first. IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 01, 2013 03:35 PM
Ah ok, I'll leave my question now then, so I don't miss the beginning of the thread for those? It's just if I will fall in love with someone up my avenue any time soon. And I'd love to read for you, I should be getting more practice than I am. So if you want that GT, I'd be more than happy. And I'm away from all of my decks until tomorrow eve, so wouldn't be able to lay anything out till then anyway IP: Logged |
sharpei Knowflake Posts: 303 From: london Registered: Jan 2013
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posted July 02, 2013 07:42 AM
sorry a non reading comment but its sooo cold over here and it is making me depressed, no sun no heat- i want to cry its making me really depressed todayIP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 04, 2013 06:11 AM
Hey Andstuff: what is your usual card to represent you in a reading? And also: what is your age? Saw you also asked Becca for a love reading. Do you want mine to still be on love? Or are there other questions? It can be confusing to have two readings done on the same subject.Bye IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 04, 2013 06:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by Twirl: Hey Andstuff: what is your usual card to represent you in a reading? And also: what is your age? Saw you also asked Becca for a love reading. Do you want mine to still be on love? Or are there other questions? It can be confusing to have two readings done on the same subject.Bye
oh did I? very unfocused, after i lost (as in lost, he basically decomposed in real time, ceased to exist) someone i loved i've been a total mess... i'm 28. i don't know, sometimes i tend to appear as queen of swords or bouquet in lenormand which is the queen of spades. i don't massively like it, but if that happens what's to be done? the problem is i don't have any other questions, everything seems insignificant. maybe i should rephrase it as something like was the decomposed one my truest biggest most intense in this lifetime, or how he fits in this whole picture? i don't know what's wrong with me all i ever do is feel sad T_T hashtag gratitude IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 04, 2013 06:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by andstuff: oh did I? very unfocused, after i lost (as in lost, he basically decomposed in real time, ceased to exist) someone i loved i've been a total mess... i'm 28. i don't know, sometimes i tend to appear as queen of swords or bouquet in lenormand which is the queen of spades. i don't massively like it, but if that happens what's to be done? the problem is i don't have any other questions, everything seems insignificant. maybe i should rephrase it as something like was the decomposed one my truest biggest most intense in this lifetime, or how he fits in this whole picture? i don't know what's wrong with me all i ever do is feel sad T_Thashtag gratitude
Hi Okay. No I'll just keep it with the love one though for this 'tree of life' spread. I'll use my new deck in that case, because I want to keep using it for love related questions. I actually have other spreads to get to the core of things (and related to how we can deal with it/what actions we need to change). Very psychological ones... They might be useful in assisting. I'll keep that in mind for later. Anyway, I'll use the tree of life for you and the queen of swords. I like this queen (also because I'm depicted often by her, so a bit biased, ). Sorry you feel so sad over this loss IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 04, 2013 09:04 AM
Andstuff, This man that you spoke of, did he really pass over or did he just disappear? Would you describe him as a knight of swords type? I'll be finishing your reading soon now. IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 04, 2013 09:23 AM
Hi Andstuff, So I asked the card to give me some insight in the general situation of your love life and the developments to be expected. First things first: I did use my new deck which I’m still learning how it communicates to me. Also I have only ever used this ‘tree of life’ spread on myself & I’m practising to see how (and if) it gives others insight too. So please discard anything that doesn’t resonate with you and use the salt where ever you feel the need for it. For how it worked for me in the past: it seemed to point out the psychological process I was going through in the here & now & how that developed for me in the future. So it’s not in regards to fortune telling (events coming up). So perhaps just describing the psychological process will not be what you expected. Sorry if that’s the case advance. I would still love to hear how this resonates with you. And if you can’t do anything with it: I can offer you an extra (more practical) reading. For your spread: 10 cards for situation now + 7 for future. (this part is in relation to your highest ideals) The good thing I saw is that you have great stamina & determination in regards to love & finding love. For your current situation I did however notice in the cards, there is a strong sense of you ‘wanting to get away’ from it all at this point. Did you basically withdraw from the ‘love scene’ at this point in time to re-examine everything? Due to some love related disappointment? There seems to be the feeling that you are unable to build something up in regards to love. This is not true & this is also not thrown/flung above you from a higher source. You are already in the process of gaining a new perspective (and will therefore release in what no longer works). The advice is to tune into your own ‘spiritual faith’/spirituality even more. It will bring the change you would like to see. Do not try to see yourself as a victim of circumstances in regards to this and don’t give up. (this part relates to the morals/attitudes) You are not a quitter and have great endurance, strength and stamina. But it also feels a bit to me like you are preparing for a battle & you feel defensive and on guard. Main reason for that (and also what you are ‘battling with’ in the outside world is that it feels like it’s all ‘lalala-fantasy-stories’ and you don’t know what to belief anymore & what is truth or not and it makes you feel tired and you are fed up with it. I also received the Tower and I feel that this is really eating you up from the inside. You are ready to just throw the whole pack of love up and throw it into the ocean & sod it. (These relate to your emotions/intuition) The good news is that I feel you can end this inner battle quite soon if you choose to. That is most likely a strong wish for you. Also the sadness felt in regards to the lost lover, you have the ability to come to terms with and you are in the possession of great will power in bringing this to a good ending & receive that victory (love). So just keep working towards that. Also see you are working towards that. As a side note: How is the work/art? Are you working a lot to perfect that? What you may expect for the future: I’m seeing things changing rather quickly for you. You will be coming more into your personal power & are seeing new possibilities again. Might be that you will get some help with this and seek it (perhaps in relation to felt anger in regards to this). The anger felt in relationship with this will not disappear magically. Finding an outlet for that will do you good. Otherwise you are going to feel you keep going round in circles which will frustrate you. Even though you are really moving forward with your process and it will feel like it’s so heavy to carry/continue, that it will never end. But you will realise at that point how far you already came and then wait for it to turn round, and move into victory over these ‘lower instincts’ of the self. In addition: I also send you some cleansing energy to uplift the sadness you described you felt a bit. No idea if you can feel that/made you feel a bit lighter, cause I hardly ever do that. So for this as well: a try-out for me. Bye for now. EDIT: One more other thing I felt the need to share. I'm not sure if you know a shaman or any shaman practisioners in your area? I think a session with one of them, could be very beneficial. They basically bring you in touch with your power animal and also practice 'soul retrieval' (if energu is stuck to an event or situation they will remove it and bring it back to their rightful owner: you). I think that will help you greatly in removing the felt sadness. Just a suggestion of course. Edit part 2: I remember reading in a thread you were tired of suggestions like this. I felt the need to share this because The Devil card wouldn't leave me alone. It kept showing. I then asked why: 6 of cups. Then the message: Justice. Therefore I do think 'cord cutting' is necessary. Energies from others can get stuck to us/or to others, which prohibits us to move forward. I suggest a shaman because they are ever so powerful and the way they work is very subtle. It is also hundreds of times more powerful then doing it yourself. Let me know if you want to copy & paste and safe the readig so I can then edit it out. IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 04, 2013 03:18 PM
No he's not technically dead, but the person he used to be pretty much ceased to exist owing to a toxic lifestyle. He sort of stopped messaging because he decided he wasnt good enough to be with me until at some point started sending me strange stuff again, de profundis. Half love letters. We both adore the song called "hey" by the pixies, the punch line being "we're chained". I am certain we exchanged soul fragments, if not now then in another lifetime, but I wouldn't dream of cord cutting, honestly. I'd rather carry this bit of his soul if I am, I think it makes me whatever I am. It just scares me, im not really alone as long as I have that in me. Without it the void would eat me up. Cutting would mean chopping off my own arm or something. Yes 6 cups, it's the only card I've got that describes this. I asked if he was thinking about me around midnight on new years eve and pulled that of all cards. I think this might be the fairy tale I'm fighting for, the possibility of this kinda story contrary to whatever the Objective reality is trying to give me, some idiots with hairy forearms who think they can get what he got. I tend to hide most of the time so no one tries to pick me up bc picking up makes me depressed. So I think a lot of it is accurate Thank you very much for your time, it does describe the situation, and let me know of I should read the GT for the lady (I think, but might be worth double checking) Plus: do you have the link to the spread? IP: Logged |
elixir Knowflake Posts: 759 From: United States Registered: Apr 2012
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posted July 04, 2013 03:50 PM
I would think swords. It depends on the imagery too. I have the crystal visions tarot and the cards look snowy/cold http://www.crystalvisionstarot.com/swords.html IP: Logged |
andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 04, 2013 03:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by elixir: I would think swords. It depends on the imagery too. I have the crystal visions tarot and the cards look snowy/cold http://www.crystalvisionstarot.com/swords.html
Hi elixir Yeah I think totally, the element of air corresponds to north apparently, so this makes sense!! Thanks IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 04, 2013 04:00 PM
Hey Andstuff Aah, okay. I understand. Those relationships are so hard to get over. Especially if there's still some hope that the 'toxic lifestyle' will once be put to rest/damage will be undone & the fairytale will play out after all... Especially if the connection was so very strong. The spread in an old book from Eden Gray. I googled for you to see if I could find it online. There are many versions of it and this comes the closest. http://rachelpollack.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/full-deck-readings-using-the-tree-of-life/ You can actually fully get into someone's life history by using all the cards. For the cord cutting: I do understand your viewpoint. However if a fragment of you it still with him as well that is what creates "the void". So would you receive those parts back and release his, I expect you would feel very different about everything. I did ask for an extra message for you which was knight of swords (him right?), Death RX & Wheel of Fortune RX. So still holding on to this makes it difficult for you to move forward. And only good you don't really want to 'picked up' by anyone at this point. Just take care of yourself first. Thanks for your feedback! Do you want me to edit out the reading? If you want to read for me, great. I really like your readings. I have no urgent questions at this time though so maybe I can convert it in a monopoly like "reading from andstuff'-card? If you also want to practice now then I would like it in regards to work
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Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 04, 2013 04:04 PM
Element of air relates to the East. In Tarot however the swords and air are often related to winter. Winter traditionally relates to the direction of the North. So some contradictions there
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andstuff Knowflake Posts: 1780 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 04, 2013 04:37 PM
Twirl, a GT is about a general situation, influences and all that, there doesn't have to be a particular question. In fact I can't remember doing it about a particular question, just general dynamic. Would you be interested? In fact it's even worse than that, I dont want a future with him, I just want him fine again. Astrologically we have Eros conj Psyche too. It just feels like an insult to the idea of love that I could be in a "normal", "healthy", "earthly" relationship. Because after this whoever comes will have some shoes to fill.... This is all awfully complicated. But I don't have to take care of myself, im fine apart from this. I just wish someone else had decomposed in his place, anyone, any of my friends or colleagues or my party crowd, any one of them, I didnt deserve any of it and there's no lessons and. O empowerment .... Thanks again. I'll let you know when I have copied your reading, which is when I'll ask you to edit it out, cheers for suggesting IP: Logged |
Twirl Knowflake Posts: 1160 From: Europe Registered: Mar 2013
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posted July 04, 2013 04:59 PM
A GT sounds cool (just googled it). Sorry that this has been so rough IP: Logged |