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twinflame1914
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posted July 03, 2013 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 03, 2013 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For horary the chart must be posted in Regiomontanus house system.

Your question is whether or not he will leave his current partner? Correct?

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posted July 03, 2013 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 03, 2013 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK I will tell you one time I asked if a couple would get divorced and I did it through an horary guide I found online and I thought the answer was YES they will...and guess what happened? THEY UNEXPECTEDLY DIVORCED OUT OF THE BLUE 2 WEEKS LATER. Talk about a good horary guide...

I will try to see if I can work on this chart for practice!!!

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posted July 03, 2013 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asclibrasagsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darn it this one is too confusing...

Usually the other person's spouse is Saturn but here you are Capricorn Ascendant ruled by Saturn and it means you would both have the same significator and I do not know how to do that horary where both parties share the same significator I think (if I am not mistaken)
She could have another significator though.

Your love interest is Moon though.

Saturn, you are currently retrograde and cold/distant from him.
I think when it goes direct, you will change in someway.

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posted July 03, 2013 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for your efforts. It's greatly appreciated. The whole situation is confusing.

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posted July 04, 2013 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a novice, so please take that into account..
Just practicing..

You are Saturn he is moon
, his wife is Jupiter (his h5)
Although because if the chart format, she may be mars.


You are in Rx showing your going ask and reconsidering everything.
Both Saturn and moon are in fixed signs, I don't see anything changing..

Moon is void, which also means nothing will happen.

Moon is in your h4, showing your focus is on your home life,
It's his h10 showing he's focused on his career or maybe reputation. Type of things.


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posted July 04, 2013 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To add to it, Venus in his seven, she is well and truly there in his house and settled. Neptune in your first, you are not seeing things realisticly.
Moon void of course, not much will move.
Some advice, don't hang on, try to move on, this man has a child and a partner, big pulls for him.

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posted July 04, 2013 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for start6030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
awwwwwwww am a big time novice... but i agree with Tofu's point abt venus...

just a query > saturn is retro... and she is saturn... does it make she is thinking about the same thing/question/relation/person again ? could it be ? just curious....i lv reading horary interpretations dat all of u do, though i dnt think i would ever b able to learn it thanks !

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posted July 04, 2013 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for start6030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-Editted-oh well..i jst saw,lioness has alrdy answered my point .... (lolz i m a leo

Could i plz ask why h5 is his spouse n nt h7 ??? Thx !

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posted July 04, 2013 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The person asking the question is always h1.
In romance questions the other prison is always h7.

So if your asking about other women for him, u use his h5, since his h7 is already the person asking the question..
(Even with a spouse)

Make sense.. Lol

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posted July 04, 2013 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 04, 2013 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Trust me I have tried to move on. It's been almost a year and something is keeping me tied to him and I can't figure out what.


It`s hope i guess.

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posted July 04, 2013 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My two cents:

Your Saturn in Scorpio retro. Stuck in the past. Thinking about returning or reconnecting (as the horary is a proof of).
Saturn in Scorpio is not in a strong position to act, however it IS a very intense position, tends to get fixated though.


He is Moon in Taurus in the sign of exaltation, very strongly placed, sensual, comfortable.

She is Venus in Leo, not too strong, but well Venus in Leo. lol

Moon is in the sign of Venus (he loves her).
Venus is in his house, and in Leo, ruled by Sun, his intercepted ruler. So she loves him as well, though it is more hidden.


His primary significator is Moon in Taurus. In the face of Saturn, which is the weakest dignity there is, and means little more than that he notices you and kind of likes you.

Sun, his more hidden significator, is in Cancer, and in his 12th house (there is something fishy about him, as indicated by a) the interception in 7th house b) the ruler of it in his 12th house - he is hiding).


Anyway Sun is in the detriment of Saturn, which is a debility. Some horary astrologers say it means that Sun really dislikes, even loathes Saturn. Though I haven`t found that to be true always; what I have found invariably is that despite Saturn having an effect, it rarely leads to a harmonious positive relationship. It is too unbalanced for this.

Moon is also the significator of the question itself and signifies the course of events.
He is void of course, which literally means: NO CHANGE (and nothing`s going to happen in regards to the question).

So no, nothing has changed I fear.

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posted July 04, 2013 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My two cents:

Your Saturn in Scorpio retro. Stuck in the past. Thinking about returning or reconnecting (as the horary is a proof of).
Saturn in Scorpio is not in a strong position to act, however it IS a very intense position, tends to get fixated though.


He is Moon in Taurus in the sign of exaltation, very strongly placed, sensual, comfortable.

She is Venus in Leo, not too strong, but well Venus in Leo. lol

Moon is in the sign of Venus (he loves her).
Venus is in his house, and in Leo, ruled by Sun, his intercepted ruler. So she loves him as well, though it is more hidden.


His primary significator is Moon in Taurus. In the face of Saturn, which is the weakest dignity there is, and means little more than that he notices you and kind of likes you.

Sun, his more hidden significator, is in Cancer, and in his 12th house (there is something fishy about him, as indicated by a) the interception in 7th house b) the ruler of it in his 12th house - he is hiding).


Anyway Sun is in the detriment of Saturn, which is a debility. Some horary astrologers say it means that Sun really dislikes, even loathes Saturn. Though I haven`t found that to be true always; what I have found invariably is that despite Saturn having an effect, it rarely leads to a harmonious positive relationship. It is too unbalanced for this.

Moon is also the significator of the question itself and signifies the course of events.
He is void of course, which literally means: NO CHANGE (and nothing`s going to happen in regards to the question).

So no, nothing has changed I fear.


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posted July 04, 2013 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If he truly "wanted" you he would get you. Great dads don't stay in an unhappy relationship when they could still have a great relationship with their children. I'm afraid you're still in denial, and no amount of readings will change your mind.


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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Thank you all for taking the time to respond. Trust me I have tried to move on. It's been almost a year and something is keeping me tied to him and I can't figure out what. I had a tarot card reader tell me that there is a possibility that the situation may shift around December. The last horary was interpreted that it's me he wants but it's her he stays with. From what I understand I am able to revist the question every three months or until the siutaiton changes.
I am 100% positive that if it wasn't for his kid he would have left her by now. They have been on the rocks for awhile now but he's a dedicated dad.


Is there anyone here who does this professionally or is willing to work with me on this for a bit?

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posted July 04, 2013 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 05, 2013 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I am having a difficult time understanding how he could love me then 3 months later kind of likes me."

Horary is just a snapshot of the moment. So if it sais he loves you or likes you, it means just in this moment of time (and if nothing changes the time to come). It does not really mean he deeply affectionately devotedly loves you forever. It just speaks of the current reception.

Now in this instance it could simply mean that you just do not play a big role in his emotional life now. Of course that could change, but please don`t get stuck on that hope. Try to detach from the situation and asess it a bit more realistically. The guy has a family and has not made any attempts to sever the relationship with his wife.
it doesn`t really matter what he feels or thinks or even tells you.
Observe how he acts (or does not).
Even if he might love you, if he doesn´t gets divorced, you will not have a relationship with him. It`s simple (and painful) as that.


".could this be because he is betraying his current partner?"
How is he betraying his current partner?
Are you two having an affair?
But yes, theoretically it could mean that.

" Pardon my lack of knowledge about Horary but does that mean for a specific time period or is it a final answer? I'm still learning how all of this works."
Horary is always valid for a certain timeframe, not forever though.
However, repeating the same question again and again without any change in mindset or external conditions usually will result in the horaries becoming unreadable, like late or too early ASC, Moon voc etc.
Significator of querent retrograde etc.
It can be a sign that the horary is pretty much saying: DON`T ASK THAT AGAIN.

And then it can change and you will get a perfect horary, perfect receptions, aspects and everything, just it won`t come topass.
Why not?
Cause it will rather depict your wishes than any kind of real possibility.

The first time you asked is the one time it is valid. Period.
You can ask again, yes. But ONLY if something already HAS changed. Like him moving out from home. You two having a big argument about the status of your relationship, or sharing a first kiss. Or whatever.

But oftentimes things wil not change, not even after 3 months.


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posted July 05, 2013 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinflame1914     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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