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Ceridwen
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posted August 17, 2013 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What could be experiences, depicted with such a spread?


Just gathering ideas here.

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posted August 17, 2013 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was your question something along the lines if someone is single? Do you have more than one love interest (or did you ask if someone has more than one love interest)?

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posted August 17, 2013 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, well, it is probably too difficult without the question at least.

I did that spread about an hour ago or so, and the question was simply: "What the heck has just happened?"

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I know that some consider the "lovers" as indicative of more than one love interest; I just want to add though that for me personally it has never come up for that, no cheating there (though sometimes a choice, but not really as a choice BETWEEN but a choice FOR something).

I only say this, cause it feels to me like sometimes the tarot talks a bit differently to different people.


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posted August 17, 2013 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Yeah to me too. The lovers whisper funny things to my ear

May be the person is struggling to acknowledge their feelings?

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posted August 17, 2013 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you think that?
It`s not wrong or something like that, I just want to understand what in the card made you get that impression.

And while it is not wrong, it is not exactly right either, though there is some kind of disbelief, too.
Hence the question.


@ the lovers whispering funny things. Funny indeed.

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posted August 17, 2013 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I see a spread I get a funny thing that transpires into funny sentences in my head, and that's what I thought when I saw this spread am just giving you what came to mind I can't give an explanation lol


hmmm why disbelief?

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posted August 17, 2013 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceri,

for me the Lovers indicate a choice... So, I believe that your question may have had to do with another person's reaction or behaviour?
They may have 'seemed' open and willing in the beginning, but something made them step back. The QoC seems to be the 'more' emotional of the two and maybe ready to give more than the other.

What do u think?

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posted August 17, 2013 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, well, it is probably too difficult without the question at least.

I did that spread about an hour ago or so, and the question was simply: "What the heck has just happened?"

EDIT:
I know that some consider the "lovers" as indicative of more than one love interest; I just want to add though that for me personally it has never come up for that, no cheating there (though sometimes a choice, but not really as a choice BETWEEN but a choice FOR something).

I only say this, cause it feels to me like sometimes the tarot talks a bit differently to different people.


It usually isn't difficult for me to know the question asked even if it isn't told . Usually, but of course I'm not always 100%.

What happened is whoever it was lost interest. They are involved/interested in someone (or something) else.

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posted August 17, 2013 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, thank you all for your input.

Venia,
no, actually the question had everyting to do with MY perception/ feeling. NO other person present, I think at least, unless we would take other dimensions into account, and we won`t go there, not even mentally.


Empress,
No, definitely no loss of interest there. As I said, it was only about me, I think at least.


Jessica,

in a way I think you were the one coming closest.
That thing about the "funny things whispered into your ears"

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posted August 17, 2013 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to wait for twirl and Little Cloud and maybe Andstuff and Becca, if they are reading this, for their input.
and I promise I will tell you what that weird situations was about, well maybe not with all the details. I am feeling nuts enough as it is.

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posted August 17, 2013 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, thank you all for your input.

Jessica,

in a way I think you were the one coming closest.
That thing about the "funny things whispered into your ears"


Actually in this spread it was quite strong

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posted August 17, 2013 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, thank you all for your input.

Venia,
no, actually the question had everyting to do with MY perception/ feeling. NO other person present, I think at least, unless we would take other dimensions into account, and we won`t go there, not even mentally.


Empress,
No, definitely no loss of interest there. As I said, it was only about me, I think at least.


Jessica,

in a way I think you were the one coming closest.
That thing about the "funny things whispered into your ears"


That is the thing about Tarot. Even if you ask about YOUR feelings, it will show you other things that you will need to be aware of/about in regards to the situation at hand. So even if you weren't the one who lost interest about that person, that person did - or somehow you picked up that they did. That's how readings go inaccurate because people think the Tarot is always talking to/about them when that isn't usually the case.

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posted August 17, 2013 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
That is the thing about Tarot. Even if you ask about YOUR feelings, it will show you other things that you will need to be aware of/about in regards to the situation at hand. So even if you weren't the one who lost interest about that person, that person did - or somehow you picked up that they did. That's how readings go inaccurate because people think the Tarot is always talking to/about them when that isn't usually the case.

The tarot will tell you exactly what you are asking about. (though it of course picks up on what is truely on the back of your mind, even if you have not verbalized it consciously).

I guess we will have to simply disagree in this instance.

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posted August 17, 2013 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The tarot will tell you exactly what you are asking about. (though it of course picks up on what is truely on the back of your mind, even if you have not verbalized it consciously).

I guess we will have to simply disagree in this instance.


Nope, I can prove this to you with real life facts, but it's ok if you don't agree =).

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posted August 17, 2013 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I don't know, there are times where it feel very literal to me and then there are times where I'm all confused until something happens and then it clicks. Our perceptions frame the way we see the world.

Ceridwen- If you asked something like "what the heck happened with me here?" The one thing that pops into my head is that you decided to share all of yourself with someone. There was some sort of click in you that changed and you didn't hide your emotions longer, a "here I am. I am a woman and have emotions and this is what they are" ...not sure if you I'm explaining it right but thats the best I can do.

In my experience though, the lovers combined with 6 of pents often indicated another person but I would always get it in the last 2 spots, you have the Queen of Cups here, which for me changes the dynamic as would the imagery of the cards, but that is just the way I read it. Also I'm still waiting to see if this person chose me over the other person (the lover/6 of pents) they have broken up but things seem to be in limbo right now..

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posted August 17, 2013 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I hope Twirl can show you guys what I mean by what I said :3

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posted August 17, 2013 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If you asked something like "what the heck happened with me here?" The one thing that pops into my head is that you decided to share all of yourself with someone. There was some sort of click in you that changed and you didn't hide your emotions longer, a "here I am. I am a woman and have emotions and this is what they are" ...

THIS.

Somehow.

I think was happened to me was a complete emotional opening up experience (I was in an almsot meditative state, though not as deep as sometimes), resulting for some reason in a major release of endorphines (only thing I can think of why I have been running around feeling on a "high" for almost 2 hours ).


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posted August 17, 2013 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea that's happened to me before as well...not often but it's very odd, so many lines are blurred and you're enjoying yourself and have no idea of what's going on.

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posted August 17, 2013 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Had a quick peek at the thread. Can't really reply now. I'm at friends and drinking alcohol (altered view). I'll promiss to have a look (and longer reply) later without looking at all other responses So just share the story Ceri

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posted August 17, 2013 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey

before I read Twirl and littlecloud, just gonna jot down what I feel, so I am not influenced

In the first place Tarot Lovers are a very complex symbolic mixture. For one we have symbols of the phallus and the vagina gently shrouded in the Rider version. Almost like the lingam from the Chariot is already here, but much bigger (and not yet united).

So essentially it is the longing of the male and the female, one's nostalgic pull as a lover.

6 pents and Queen of Cups are total opposites as far as this aspect of life is concerned. One is over-analytical about giving, very careful to give exactly what is due. The queen of cups gives it all.

If it's all about one person then maybe someone is emotionally repressed. Wishing to yield but scared of granting the other the upper hand. Capricorn for restriction as opposed to the Cancer of the Queen.

If we continue in the astrological vein maybe it could be worth saying words and communication is the platform where this tension manifests itself. A certain silencing/restraint. Or maybe Cancer won, being the 3rd card?

This doesn't have to be exclusively about love, could also be about friendship, family etc.

Obviously a more primitive version would include two people one of whom is too sweet whilst the other one is only sharing a certain portion of themselves. I wouldn't be so reductionistic though. Spontaneously I'd reckon it's all about one individual's inner conflict but hey I could be wrong OBVS

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posted August 17, 2013 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Andstuff,

"For one we have symbols of the phallus and the vagina gently shrouded in the Rider version."
Interesting observation.

" Almost like the lingam from the Chariot is already here, but much bigger (and not yet united)."
What is a lingam?

"Or maybe Cancer won, being the 3rd card?"
For this time Cancer won.


"Spontaneously I'd reckon it's all about one individual's inner conflict but hey I could be wrong OBVS"
That is very true.
For this time though the emotional side in me won out.

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posted August 17, 2013 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi
Ehm... So the question is: what the heck just happened?
I read cards within the context of the question & a topic. Otherwise I have no outline. Was it in regards to work/love/internal? That would all majorly change my interpretation.
Having said that, my overall feeling of the spread is that a major shift just took place. Like the mind has been taking down to an 'earthy level'/"something clicked in" which opened the gate to free flowing love/emotions. It feels that something that was off balance suddenly switched 180 degrees.
Might be biase because I also read your dreams, but I think I would also read that otherwise (2 sixes - air (mind) - earth (base/body) - water (feelings). Also the integrating is seen on both Lovers & 6 pents: feeling like a new kind of harmony.
Again the topic & background would change my interp.

Okay, now I'll go back & read the thread.

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posted August 17, 2013 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi
Ehm... So the question is: what the heck just happened?
I read cards within the context of the question & a topic. Otherwise I have no outline. Was it in regards to work/love/internal? That would all majorly change my interpretation.
Having said that, my overall feeling of the spread is that a major shift just took place. Like the mind has been taking down to an 'earthy level'/"something clicked in" which opened the gate to free flowing love/emotions. It feels that something that was off balance suddenly switched 180 degrees.
Might be biase because I also read your dreams, but I think I would also read that otherwise (2 sixes - air (mind) - earth (base/body) - water (feelings). Also the integrating is seen on both Lovers & 6 pents: feeling like a new kind of harmony.
Again the topic & background would change my interp.

Okay, now I'll go back & read the thread.


Twirl,


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posted August 17, 2013 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
THIS.

Somehow.

I think was happened to me was a complete emotional opening up experience (I was in an almsot meditative state, though not as deep as sometimes), resulting for some reason in a major release of endorphines (only thing I can think of why I have been running around feeling on a "high" for almost 2 hours ).


Oh wow. Would that mean the description I gave matched? If just about you, I think your animus - anima just clicked in some more. That is what you experienced. Basically connecting your mind (also working in mind-heart) on earth. I read the Lovers also as the inner male & female.

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posted August 17, 2013 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The background story:

This afternoon I was feeling that sort of "smooth electric vibration again", it almost feels like something`s / someone`s presence.
I usually push it away, and when I ignore it long enough, it fades into the distance somewhen.
But not today, that electricity got stronger and stronger. Something wanted to get my attention (I am interpreting already: I guess something from inside of me, call it Higher Self or whatever, subconsciousness).

When I realized I wouldnīt be able to do ANYTHING today until I had "surrendered" (meaning give it attention), I got to my couch, where I sat down in a half-sitting, half-lying position.
Sometimes it feels like I am being "pushed" from inside to get into a meditation.

This is what I did, it was just one of those times, I thought. (I have had experienced similiar urges to meditate before).

Well, this time I did not even get into a very deep state of meditation; I was simply closing my eyes and feeling relaxed, but completely awake and conscious and very able to open my eyes at every point (which I sometimes can`t when deep in meditation).

So I was just relaxing and marvelling at the swirling bright colours behind my closed eyes (I guess everyone sees them when thy close their eyes, but sometimes it seems like the swirling patterns are more vivacious than at other times).
At the same time I was focusing also on how I was feeling. Well no focusing, focusing makes things go away, just feeling what I was feeling - you know that electricity, thinking it would go away by paying attention to it.
It didnīt.
In fact two things happened:
I felt my face being touched, cheek, forehead, mouth and hair, and it felt like a real physical touch, which was a new thing.
Not a firm grasp, more like a featherlike touch, but real and physical nevertheless, and from the mist of twirling colours a face emerged. I wanted to instantly cut that off, but he shook his head and just kept on looking at me. For how long I don`t know, and then the colour-pattern got more dense again, and it was gone.
Beside that imagery / fantasy or whatever it was, what surprised me a lot was the feelings it evoke.
It was like there was a gigantic release of endorphines; at least I was feeling like I was on a constant high (though I never have done drugs, but I imagine it to be like that) for about 2 hours afterwards.
Even now I can feel the aftereffect. I have never felt that calm and one with myself in all my life.
You know those rare occasions when you just know: Everything`s alright.


What that really was?
I have no clue to be honest.
But it felt amazing, and it actually felt like a widening of my heart. Which probably is what was the reason for this exercise sent to me by whoever.


Interstingly, I had a similiar experience two days ago, but was so startled that I interrupted it immediately, instantly jumping up, only to be hit by the strongest dizzy spell I can remember, hardly able to walk (as if I have forgotten how to, and my legs were shaking) and I had been feeling this numb-surreal feeling in my head, as if I was not really "here".
Almost like I had been on or starting on an out-of-body-experience and had interrupted it too quickly, without my astral body having time enough to connect more firmly to my physical body again.


However, this time I didnīt "snap out of it", as my good reason would have told me, but just went with the flow, and took some time to get back out of it. I was still having a bit of a floating lightheaded feeling afterwards, but the good kind. Endorphines. LOL


Well, to be honest, that felt pretty awesome. Can I please do it again?


But I guess this is these once in a life time occurences, and as of now I feel pretty grateful for having experienced it, whatever it really was.


Lovers - 6 of pentacles - Queen of Cups


I was given the opportunity (6 of pentacles) to open the gates to my own feelings (Queen of Cups).
That is how I would have interpreted it for myself.


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