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Topic: Horary help, please?
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imeanj
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posted September 15, 2013 02:13 PM
  
I am a bit confused by this chart and was hoping for some insight? The question is will the relationship become more serious? They are currently dating.  The moon (queisted) is in detriment (-), but is also in the 1st (+). It conjunct the ascendant (+), then squares mercury (-) and makes an applying aspect to ruler of the querent (+) but leaves the house making an opposition to jupiter which is in the queisted 1st house (-)? (Seems to me, querent is a bit undecided even though the quiested has strong feelings, he is not in the best place to do anything about it - i.e. a possible yes, but with lots of varying energies?) Thanks everyone! IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted September 15, 2013 04:28 PM
I agree with your take on it. Most would consider Mercury's frustration as a No. I view it more like an obstacle. So I think it could be possible, if Moon is strong enough to fight Mercury off (Moon does have accidental dignity even though she's in detriment, so it can be done). It seems to me like Moon has a bit too much on her plate, it just feels like there are more people in her/his life. Perhaps Saturn sniffed that and that's why he's in Moon's fall. Mercury is one, Jup is another.Moon's last aspect is a trine to Sun, so I think there might be hope for this.  IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted September 15, 2013 06:40 PM
Yeah for me and my good analysis! Some more questions:
1 - Jupiter seems like a stronger influence then Mercury, being exalted and a benefic. But seems like Jupiter is more keen on Moon, where - I would say moon is most keen on querent - first house placement? Likewise, Mercury is a square, and Jupiter is an opposition? 2 - Does it matter that the querent is in detriment? Besides being undecided - I would say querent is more concerned about her career and not that into the moon. 3 - what do Mars, Venus, Sun signify here? Querent is female, quiested is male? Does this affect the chart and aspects? With him being male - well I've never seen a chart like this...where the quiested is moon in the first house and male? Thanks Hera as always. Just trying to learn more about the underlying details of what else horary can tell us.
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Milkyshutter
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posted September 16, 2013 11:51 AM
You said they. Your question is for your friend? IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted September 16, 2013 12:09 PM
Yes, 'clients.'Any other feedback? Specifically, I am wondering about how signifiers can or cannot be gendered. The moon as signifier has me confused - I normally use the moon as 'her' seems wonky as a 'him.' IP: Logged |
Milkyshutter
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posted September 16, 2013 12:18 PM
Who asked the question? Was it a he or she?IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted September 16, 2013 12:31 PM
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Milkyshutter
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posted September 16, 2013 12:47 PM
I agree with Hera. The significators all have accidental diginities, so that is good. It should be "he" who is making the move as the moon is in the first house, however, his feelings for her might be quite weak. He also has Jupiter in his house where it wants to belong. Possibly, this relationship might look working in the beginning, but because of the weak significators, I dont think it will last very long. But overall, the chart is not an easy one to decipher. So please let me know how the relationship turns into.
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Hera
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posted September 16, 2013 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by imeanj:
Yeah for me and my good analysis! Some more questions:
1 - Jupiter seems like a stronger influence then Mercury, being exalted and a benefic. But seems like Jupiter is more keen on Moon, where - I would say moon is most keen on querent - first house placement? Likewise, Mercury is a square, and Jupiter is an opposition? 2 - Does it matter that the querent is in detriment? Besides being undecided - I would say querent is more concerned about her career and not that into the moon. 3 - what do Mars, Venus, Sun signify here? Querent is female, quiested is male? Does this affect the chart and aspects? With him being male - well I've never seen a chart like this...where the quiested is moon in the first house and male? Thanks Hera as always. Just trying to learn more about the underlying details of what else horary can tell us.
1. Yes, I would say out of the two, Jupiter is quite the catch! Exalted (essential dignity - a good man) and angular (has power or means to act). And he is whipped in love with the quesited. But I don't think your querent needs to worry, as she is the one in Moon's heart. Jupiter is just a suitor at a distance and Mercury is a pest. Moon is totally in love with the querent! 2. Why do you consider Saturn in detriment? Because of Via Combusta? I think, like you said, Saturn is more concerned with career, yes, and sort of dislikes Moon's neediness ha. 3. Mars could be querent's ex since he is separating from her and in her detriment. I would say querent still holds the torch for him. Venus I believe is another suitor for the querent but again, she is not interested. The Sun is pretty irrelevant, just someone in the background. Lol, I've gotten charts with Moon as my partner (male), it does screw a little with the interp since you cannot look at Moon as a secondary sig for the querent or the situation. However, more than the planets themselves, I look to the signs they are in to describe where the players are psychologically. Moon is in Cap, so quesited takes Cap features, not precisely Lunar ones. The fact that he is in detriment does say a bit about him. There's something not right with him, he is either not of a good character or is ill or sad/depressed etc. But it is good that he is angular and can woo the querent, once he gets rid of Mercury. IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted September 16, 2013 01:12 PM
Thanks Hera and Milky! So confusing - now you know why I needed a second opinion.Jupiter is female here right - quiested suitor? Also, Saturn is in moon's detriment. Moon being in cancer? Where as, Jupiter exalted in cancer. Maybe time to take a break - horary is really hard sometimes - will keep y'all updated! IP: Logged |
Milkyshutter
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posted September 16, 2013 01:15 PM
A bit confusing. You said the querent is a she. So that makes questied a he. I've interpreted Jupiter as his confidence/a co-significator. Nothing to do with the querent. IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted September 16, 2013 06:06 PM
Milky - I never used Jupiter that way, but cool. Are you doing that b/c Jupiter is in the 7th? IP: Logged |
Milkyshutter
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posted September 17, 2013 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by imeanj:
Milky - I never used Jupiter that way, but cool. Are you doing that b/c Jupiter is in the 7th?
Yes. I've interpreted Jupiter as his self value. It is in the man's house. And, Jupiter in Cancer is exalted. So basically, he has the key to this relationship. He is a good person. What I worry about is that because his significator is in the first but in the sign of detriment, I only worry that he is keeping the relationship out of loyalty. Anyway....let me know IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted September 19, 2013 12:41 PM
I spoke to my friend at length - I think Jupiter and Mars represent the querent's other suitors (they are described to the T!); hence, they are in her 7th house. She is having issues with the moon as he is too emotional - this may be the Mercury bump - 0 aspecting - makes sense happening now. They are spending the weekend next weekend together - seems about right in regards timing - the sextile is aspecting 1-2 counts. I am in agreement with Hera in regards to the situation, I think it will work out - as the rest of the horary reads almost EXACTLY as she described. Even the timing of events is a bit uncanny. Thanks everyone. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted September 19, 2013 01:28 PM
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