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andstuff
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posted October 02, 2013 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was positive I snapped out of being depressed, but yesterday something quite disgusting happened (my friend's husband was acting too affectionate towards me in front of my friend who is simply too innocent to assume anything seedy about anyone, and all things unwholesome happen when she doesn't look, obvs I never wanted any of this), so I got the blues again, or maybe the reds if one quotes breakfast at Tiffany's

I have this unhealthy preoccupation re: possessions, I try to minimise them for some reason, ditching, recycling and whatnot, this has become a fixation, it often interests me more than truly important things

Anyway I got sad in view of all this and found myself sort of mildly drifting away from the land of the living simply as a result of witnessing indecorous things which - frankly! - will always exist so it should be no big deal, but here I am watching yesterday's football highlights in order not to go back to being depressed and they only serve as a quick fix

To cut a long story short and to ask a question to anyone who's got a deck handy and doesn't mind sparing some time: what the hell should I do to avoid going back there? Because frankly I don't want to. Is it a medical condition or something? But I walk about, crack jokes and laugh....

[to all those in charge of a hate campaign against me: go to an adult shop and get something to play with, it's healthier than trying to convince yourselves you laugh at me]

Would be grateful. Might be able to return the favour on another occasion

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posted October 02, 2013 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too tired to read now. However, this reminds me of the 'October reading' I did a while back. The urge is to go over it critically (not helpful), while what's helpful is to surround yourself with what is there & secure/known to be safe/provide stability to you. That's what you need & the focus should be. Family surroundings would be good (if you feel good in their company).
The clearing out makes sense, since you then make cleansing/making space internally into an external ritual. It most likely helps you to gain perspective & let go all the impressions of that day. If you don't do that, it 'sticks with you'. Was your moon in the 12th?
Sucks about your friends husband. You may want to confront him with that.

Just some thoughts. Hope they may help.

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posted October 02, 2013 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
".. all things unwholesome happen when she doesn't look, obvs I never wanted any of this)"

What exactly do you mean by this? Was he coming onto you winking? Did he touch you? What?

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posted October 02, 2013 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ you know what it's like, there's no reason for confrontation, nothing has been articulated, right? if something unambiguous was done then yes, I admit it would be justifiable

plus he's an awesome digital PR expert i am supposed to introduce to this other man who wants to commission me to write things

family is not a solution in my case i am afraid, or rather i do not want to have to turn to them in order to get that. plus they all think depression stems from my deficiencies, i wouldn't want to have to listen to that again

PS you know i'd rather do the WB exchange with you as opposed to this occasion, so it's cool you're tired now, this leaves that opportunity

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posted October 02, 2013 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
".. all things unwholesome happen when she doesn't look, obvs I never wanted any of this)"

What exactly do you mean by this? Was he coming onto you winking? Did he touch you? What?


touched. when no one could see during friend-like greeting hugs

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posted October 02, 2013 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by andstuff:
touched. when no one could see during friend-like greeting hugs

Well next time say, "Oh hey there, let's keep this friendly ok?"

And kind of push him off.
Also, don't meet your friend at her house while that douche is around. And if she is a genuine friend tell her. Don't tell her for only herself but for yourself and any girl that might come in contact with that A S S HOLE.

"Hey listen, I don't know how to tell you this but I don't really appreciate how your husband touched me on so ans so day. Would you like to talk to him or should I tell him he's out of bounds?"

If your friend is really your friend she will not brush away what you say.

Your safety, sanity and peace is what is important NOT the aggressors or the one that ALLOWS this to continue (your friend).


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posted October 02, 2013 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
((((andstuff))))

did you ever think about going to have some shaman healing...wow!!

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posted October 02, 2013 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Ok, I'll explain

1) the girl does not deserve to even learn about the existence/possibility of such things, men's sliminess etc.. Or if she ever does, it's not gonna be from me

2) for this same reason I cannot say anything out loud

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posted October 02, 2013 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
andstuff...what exactly is your question..i would like to pull some cards for you but not sure exactly what you ask?

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posted October 02, 2013 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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((((andstuff))))

did you ever think about going to have some shaman healing...wow!!


I'm in Europe. Not sure it's done around here. At any rate I would be uncomfortable / reluctant to shell out. Somehow don't believe it might qualify as a solution (for me that is), I could be wrong tho for all I know

but thanks ^_^

the Q is: how do I avoid slipping into being depressed back again?

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posted October 02, 2013 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aaaahh shame, i have found it to be totally freeing. What kind of help do you go for andstuff xxx

That is partly the answer to your question...reach out and get help. I was very very depressed for a long time and then studied healing and all changed for me

I pulled an enchanted map oracle card for you

~Ride the Wave~

Do you swim? Two beautiful dolphins jump over and out of a wave, surfing the top of it..they are free and at home with the water. They know they are in the right place. You are being guided to your path but the journey can be rocky and you need to keep riding the wave to get there

I feel you are slow to share your pain, but if you changed your attitude to it, it would also change. Water, even immersing yourself in it would help to move some of the stuck emotions for you

..and shaman healers practice the world over

hope that helps xxxx

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posted October 03, 2013 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope you are feeling better now andstuff?

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posted October 03, 2013 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@redshoes: yeah, sorry, been running around all day, gave away my French textbooks from high school inter alia to a girl who can't afford to buy new ones

I meant to thank you for doing this!!! Nice deck btw, I looked for the image of the card online, apparently the LWB says something like "stay on the path you're on", right? (funnay, apparently I should keep giving things away)

I'm going to Berlin for 10 days btw in mid Oct, lets see if what you told me comes true

is it ok to say I love your vibe? I love your vibe x

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posted October 03, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am glad it resonated ~ yes staying on your path will bring success

Berlin! So glad you are going and if i remember rightly 2 cups surfaced..i reckon that if not another person, somehow you are going to have some kind of love affair ..
...hopefully with you

Thanks for the kind words and yes you are allowed to say that

hugs xxx

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posted October 03, 2013 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Andstuff, do you want to post a chart with your transits atm? and we can try seeing what is going on.

I can see lot of differences between us, specially how we express ourselves, but a lot of similarities to in some aspects, ignored by the one person you like the most, through no fault of you own i'm guessing a long with a few other things, and two nights ago i was just thinking 'i really don't care if i don't wake up again...i won't do anything to 'activate' that feeling, but i won't fight it either.' now ...well still apathetic to it. This being the same month my 'not here anymore' sister was born, isn't helping yet.

so yeah post your natal chart (remove your personal info) and click on transits so we could try to see what is going on (check the asteroid forum for the depression and death related asteroids or i will in a bit, such am back on my own computer at last!!)

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posted October 03, 2013 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@NoRain

well I remember pulling Temperance for you and feeling roughly that??

i don't know how to say this, but i sort of snapped out of it not so long ago and it felt alright? like I don't want to go back there, i just don't want to, it makes me unhappy, i've got too much life/love in my body (i think someone wrote this about Goethe who similarly snapped out of dark times because he loved life too much, I can feel my organic being being all about life, just that my ego disagrees at times)

would be awesome if you could take a look, here goes

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posted October 03, 2013 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yes that is right, you got temperance, and didn't feel to 'perky' about it....

i don't some trick that helped me, when i remember it, was when someone told me "those thoughts are overwhelming you and getting to you? well can you hold your breath for a second or a minute? then just do this for the thoughts, and just go on.

i don't know if it is the way they said it, and now only internet but it worked.

anyway i will be adding here, every time i look and find something new, as i'm still learning, but first 'heart breaking' alignment i saw, is transit Chiron (painful thing) conjunct your already fragile natal Mars in Pisces.
you are actually very gentle on the inside. and this transit of Chiron conjunt your Mars, is affecting your drive, and self motivation.

Are things happening to your social life, that are leaving you more let down than cheered up? You seem to attract people because of your artistic flair or insight, and right now with Chiron this is just not happening with you, you don't feel motivated.

just know the depression is because of some heavy transits in a water sign. Pisces to, the sign of illusions, where clarity is hard, so also difficult.

Also i notice you are going through your Saturn return...let me tell you these are NEVER EASY. Just hang in there, a lot of people, there life becomes difficult, they seriously start thinking about death in other ways through it (not always suicide, but not always not suicide either), you're Saturn return will end sooner than you know it, so just let these feelings be for now, i noticed fighting makes them stronger, and hence why some people 'give in' in the end...just letting them be, as in not fighting, just lets things go after they have done their time.

then more of the stranger water, transit Jupiter is in watery cancer, opposing your natal sun. There are also feeling of luck opposing you, or just not being on your side...but in truth, baby steps, also do go to Berlin, good things and new opportunities could come from this opposition, when a person has it and travels.

Transit pluto also in your first house of the self, conjunct Neptune but at a wide angle...you will learn how to be assertive without sounding like anything else other than assertive, now if you start noticing what is going around....this will happen because you are very aware of the confusions going around you, and you will want to find a way to put an end to it.


okay the Chiron in a water sign, and Saturn return in a Water sign, and then Jupiter opposing your natal Jupiter from a water sign to, is what caught my attention, (a little water, and things grow, too much water and we have a flood, hence why the emotions are getting the best of you athe moment)

i forgot what the chart looks like, and would like if some who know those things even better also have a look, but just hang on...when Saturn leaves, the planet usually leaves a real nice present behind for what a meanie he's been! and you like art, try to use more and more of that in your life for personal reasons, just till you get over this phase!

when i look again if i find more, i will post here as promised.

i hope this helped in anyway!

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posted October 04, 2013 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel youve helped me a lot so here I am. Ive felt this way a lot too. But not suicidal. What helped me was that i found god one say when i started reading quotations felm the bible online about what it says on certain topics that i just put into google. Ask yourself this...do you think that man is happy? Or will ever be? He who cheats only cheats himself. He will never be happy. If I were you I would tell your friend to get away from that sleazeball before she even kisses him again. And she needs to open her eyes about the way most men are. Maybe then more women will be independent and not have this mindset of WOW I NEED TO GET MARRIED OR MY LIFE IS POINTLESS

Let me know if you need to talk, I am here.

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posted October 04, 2013 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
next time you will be prepared, just if he starts again lift your knee and slam it hard between his legs. pain for him. he won't do it again.

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posted October 04, 2013 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@RAS

Hey thanks for looking at this and for your kind words!

Maybe i am being too naive, but the story between them is complicated, they married very young because of a pregnancy, I think he wasn't quite ready for that sort of thing, he's still very young, so I was just hoping maybe in a few years he would gradually learn to appreciate what he's got. The girl is very Jewish in the good (if not the best) sense of the word, intelligent, from a family of classical musicians and whatnot, really into her little son... I just keep hoping this individual will one day realise what a gem he's got himself, I dunno when he's older. At this moment he is on the selfish idiot side in a few respects, but really I do not think it is my job to interfere. Whats meant to fall apart will fall apart, what isn't will last

I do understand your point about valuing independence, but it should be an a priori thing, and this whole changing of values story is more often than not painful at some stage. Anyway maybe I'm being naive T_T

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posted October 04, 2013 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My opinion: a strong connection with someone makes you change...no matter what age you are. It sounds like he just doesnt love her I mean you said it yourself they got married because of a pregnancy

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posted October 04, 2013 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
definitely agree with not interfering in anothers marriage- especially with something so nebulous and undefined....its a very american knee jerk response- life is complicated men are animals and i would not change either fact

i would not let anothers problems trouble you

i went to a shamanic healer in london james phillips= id recommend but its up to you...he also works in LA...

i LOVE throwing away things- taht is a good thing it clears old energy better than hoarders i hate hoarders- tells me they cannot let go and regenerate

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