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hannaramaa
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posted October 06, 2013 11:13 AM
  
Three horary charts I've seen this morning all have Venus square Mars, and Mars has been 2 of the 3 significators in these charts. Given this, Venus has also square Mars in all 3 charts. I know horary is a personal thing, and since Venus is in different houses it may mean something different - but wouldn't the meaning behind Venus square Mars be reduced since all three people have it?IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted October 06, 2013 11:21 AM
You mean, 3 unrelated people posted 3 unrelated horaries around the same time? IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted October 06, 2013 11:21 AM
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You mean, 3 unrelated people posted 3 unrelated horaries around the same time?
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Selene
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posted October 06, 2013 11:29 AM
I think not at all, because every person in question had different questions - that's number one. And two - there was a reason they asked a question exactly at that time. That means that they HAD to have this aspect in this horary chart, it definitely means something to them!!!IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted October 06, 2013 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Selene:
I think not at all, because every person in question had different questions - that's number one. And two - there was a reason they asked a question exactly at that time. That means that they HAD to have this aspect in this horary chart, it definitely means something to them!!!
That depends if they put the time they thought of the question in, or they used the time they were casting the chart. The reason they asked is because they want to know... so I don't understand the logic of the time meaning anything other than a means to cast the ASC. I also didn't claim it didn't mean anything at all but am wondering if it is simply a common aspect since all of them cast their charts around the same time. IP: Logged |
Selene
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posted October 06, 2013 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
That depends if they put the time they thought of the question in, or they used the time they were casting the chart. The reason they asked is because they want to know... so I don't understand the logic of the time meaning anything other than a means to cast the ASC. I also didn't claim it didn't mean anything at all but am wondering if it is simply a common aspect since all of them cast their charts around the same time.
Apparently the aspects will replicate themselves from chart to chart, because planets are moving slow, compared to ASC/MC. It's not like they will change within a day or even a week. And these were different people - and there are many more persons around the planet that cast a chart at that same hour as you do - it's still personal.  Just like a birth chart produces persons, horary charts produce events. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted October 06, 2013 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Selene:
Apparently the aspects will replicate themselves from chart to chart, because planets are moving slow, compared to ASC/MC. It's not like they will change within a day or even a week. And these were different people - and there are many more persons around the planet that cast a chart at that same hour as you do - it's still personal. Just like a birth chart produces persons, horary charts produce events.
Oh okay. I get it now!
What makes a chart a "failure" chart in Horary? I know if the ASC is within the last 3 degrees it puts the chart up for consideration but other factors will determine if it is useless or not. I think Saturn in the 1st house is also a sign.
Also, when do you move from one significator to the next? For example I just asked about myself in a horary chart and my chart ruler was Venus. When would we look at the Moon significator, if at all?
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Selene
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posted October 06, 2013 12:37 PM
Moon is also your co-significator, if it is not a significator of the quesited. You look both for Venus and Moon in your example. You take significators based on your question. Say, you want to ask about something connected with your dog. So you take 6thH ruler as his significator. All relationship questions are connected on 7H. Your friend would be 11H, etc,etc. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted October 06, 2013 06:22 PM
Oh? Why would a dog be part of the 6th house? Because it's an everyday companion type of thing?IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted October 06, 2013 06:49 PM
I'm sorry I've been clogging up Personal Readings with Horary questions! But...I have no where else to go with people who will engage and answer. I recently discovered timing in horary... I asked a question and one of my significators is in a succedent house which has said it means "days," but my other significator is in an angular house which means weeks. How do you determine how many days to weeks an event will take or when it will take place? Moon is in 8th and Mercury is in 8th, but Mercury is the chart ruler of the 7th. IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted October 06, 2013 07:05 PM
So the signifers in this case are not always Mars and Venus! It depends - case by case, depending on the Ascendant. And also which house the situation is designated by - if someone loses something or asks about kids, it would not be a 7th house question.
Sometimes they can be Jupiter-Mercury, Saturn-Moon, etc etc etc. That would cause a significant outcome change if these planets aspected each other. If you are getting all the same signifers something is off.ALSO, google STRICTURE AGAINST JUDGMENT...ie invalidating a chart. See the link I included below. And horary is not meant to be read laissez faire you want to ask it serious question and not to often, otherwise, everything will become muddled and confusing. Practicing go over the charts in the forum, should help. Hug!
http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson1/lesson1.html
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hannaramaa
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posted October 06, 2013 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by imeanj:
So the signifers in this case are not always Mars and Venus! It depends - case by case, depending on the Ascendant. And also which house the situation is designated by - if someone loses something or asks about kids, it would not be a 7th house question.
Sometimes they can be Jupiter-Mercury, Saturn-Moon, etc etc etc. That would cause a significant outcome change if these planets aspected each other. If you are getting all the same signifers something is off.ALSO, google STRICTURE AGAINST JUDGMENT...ie invalidating a chart. See the link I included below. And horary is not meant to be read laissez faire you want to ask it serious question and not to often, otherwise, everything will become muddled and confusing. Practicing go over the charts in the forum, should help. Hug!
http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson1/lesson1.html
Yeah this is true about horary. I've been honestly interested in every question I ask at least! In this instance, my significator is Jupiter and it's first aspect was applying to Saturn. However the problem with the chart I think is the 8th house stellium. Because it's in Scorpio I think it weakens all of the planets and possibly renders the chart useless? Not sure. Oh no I wasn't getting the same significators I don't think. I just skipped over my first significator because I didn't know what it's first aspect meant or if it counted (I tried googling the specific aspect in Horary and didn't come up with anything.) I'm starting to understand applying aspects from separating ones, but how to interpret them... that magic, there's few resources for that! I will keep trying though! And thank you imeanj for following me through this  IP: Logged |
imeanj
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posted October 06, 2013 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Yeah this is true about horary. I've been honestly interested in every question I ask at least! In this instance, my significator is Jupiter and it's first aspect was applying to Saturn. However the problem with the chart I think is the 8th house stellium. Because it's in Scorpio I think it weakens all of the planets and possibly renders the chart useless? Not sure.
Don't know what you are referencing in regards to the stellium, shouldn't make a difference, all you want is the aspects your planet and the moon are going thru - that will tell you if it will happen and the timeline/storyline of 'what' happens. quote:
Oh no I wasn't getting the same significators I don't think. I just skipped over my first significator because I didn't know what it's first aspect meant or if it counted (I tried googling the specific aspect in Horary and didn't come up with anything.)
Okay, good. The first aspect is what happens - i.e. if the two signifers aspect, if the first aspect of one of the planets is to a malefic - there is 'interference.' Glad to be of help and that you are learning - hopefully, not confusing you further - HUG!
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