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hannaramaa
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posted October 07, 2013 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I asked why my friend (girl) isn't as good of a friend to me as I am to her - I noticed her significator is at 0 degrees though. Is this a consideration at all?

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posted October 07, 2013 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ETA: I read it wrong.

She's Mercury, I'm Jupiter.

Mercury is trining Jupiter which is supposed to be good, but we haven't been talking or making plans, so I'm confused.

Moon and Venus are both square Mars, so those must be me? I'm mad at her. She never goes out of her way for me or appreciates the things I do.

Moon is conjunct Venus, another applying aspect.

Help?

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posted October 07, 2013 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right, she's Mercury and you're Jupiter.

I think the trine here is just showing that the relationship exists. Perhaps that you might meet her in a few weeks (you're both in suceedant houses).

Uranus in 1st house indicates surprising events. Since Uranus is very afflicted, they might be very unpleasant surprises to you.

You're in loving but resentful Cancer. I'd say you feel hurt by her, but would rather not broach the subject, if only things can go back to the way they were. You want to go out and have fun together, but you're holding a grudge for some reason.

She's in secretive Scorpio. She might be hiding something from herself, from you or both. You're in her 11th house, so I'd say she still sees you as a friend. Mercury is tightly conjunct to Saturn, who can be seen as a third party. Is she dating? She might be keeping a fledgeling relationship under the wraps or boyfriend-problems under the lid.

Since the trine is applying, I think you'll meet and she'll tell what's been keeping you apart. In nine weeks, give or take.

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posted October 07, 2013 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, I read it wrong again. Since this is about friends we look at the 11th house. 11H is ruled by Aquarius, so we look to Saturn, who is weakened by Scorpio in the 8th house. Saturn is trine Jupiter and conjunct Mercury, and Mercury is the ruler of the 7H of "others." So... is it safe to say this is a representation of her spending time with others? (but that doesn't explain Saturn trine my ASC ruler Jupiter)

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posted October 07, 2013 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought we don't use Uranus, Neptune or Pluto in Horary?

She actually came by today after I haven't heard from her all week and picked up her spare car key. She needed it and I didn't ask why, but it kind of popped in my head that that was a sideways move of her getting her extra key back.

So, I heard from her today, and saw her and it wasn't as awkward as I thought but I'm still highly annoyed. She's hanging out with her boyfriend and her other best friend, and she knows I've been having a difficult time adjusting to moving out. I don't want all her time, but some concern would be nice.

Your astrology site IS super helpful! She says the 4th house from the subject house (so for example I'm asking about my friendship, that's an 11H matter so the 2nd house) shows the end or conclusion of the question. So we have Taurus in the 2nd house, that opposes it's ruler Venus in the 8th. Thoughts?

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posted October 07, 2013 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hanna, I don't think it works that way... In all person-related questions we have to use 7th house, or we couldn't ask a question about a person that dislikes us and is an "enemy".

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posted October 07, 2013 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Hanna, I don't think it works that way... In all person-related questions we have to use 7th house, or we couldn't ask a question about a person that dislikes us and is an "enemy".

It depends the person's role in the question I think. Your site says: "If the question surrounds a friend, an 11th house subject, the 2nd house shows the end of matters in regard to such a question."

My question surrounds a friend, so it makes sense to use the 11H. You could still use the 7H about other person, especially an enemy. That's the only house specifically for open "enemies."

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posted October 07, 2013 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ I don't know, I still think relational questions have the use the ruler of the 7th house. I haven't started studying outcomes, so I can't speak for the use of 4th houses...

Going off from here http://www.auxmaillesgodefroy.com/get_what_i_want , 11th house in horary is the house of hopes, wishes and circumstances for questions. You go back to using 11th as the house of friends when you're interpreting.

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posted October 07, 2013 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So one site says it's this... and another says it's wishes and hopes and stuff. Can we get a third objective opinion? I mean I don't know or anything but Ceridwen, or Hera are bound to! ( )

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posted October 07, 2013 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I thought we don't use Uranus, Neptune or Pluto in Horary?

She actually came by today after I haven't heard from her all week and picked up her spare car key. She needed it and I didn't ask why, but it kind of popped in my head that that was a sideways move of her getting her extra key back.

So, I heard from her today, and saw her and it wasn't as awkward as I thought but I'm still highly annoyed. She's hanging out with her boyfriend and her other best friend, and she knows I've been having a difficult time adjusting to moving out. I don't want all her time, but some concern would be nice.

Your astrology site IS super helpful! She says the 4th house from the subject house (so for example I'm asking about my friendship, that's an 11H matter so the 2nd house) shows the end or conclusion of the question. So we have Taurus in the 2nd house, that opposes it's ruler Venus in the 8th. Thoughts?


We don't use Uranus, Neptune and Pluto as significators, but they can be interpreted as influences on the situation to unfold.

Like I said, I'm still learning how to interpret things and outcomes are tricky, but if we apply this logic of 4th house, it's good news for your friendship. Venus is just out of detriment in Scorpio and coming to term in friendly, fun Sagittarius but still in 8th House, which is not good for some reason I can't recall right now... It's a couple of degrees away from entering 9th house, so maybe this talk we'll be done in a weekend getaway?

I think I'm rambling and not making much of a sense... sorry.

Anyhow, why don't you approach her and talk this out? Be open about your feelings... she's hiding something and you openning up might help her talk about this "secret".

I really don't like getting significators in Scorpio... I'm hating it the more that I see it there.

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posted October 07, 2013 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
So one site says it's this... and another says it's wishes and hopes and stuff. Can we get a third objective opinion? I mean I don't know or anything but Ceridwen, or Hera are bound to! ( )

It's very hard to get good info in the internet, so I tend to apply only the things that I've read in more than one place... If I read something different, I keep it for referencing but don't apply on the interpretation.

Hopefully they'll tell us what's really supposed to be done in this case

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posted October 07, 2013 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm terrible at being open about my feelings. And I sense if I were to bring my unhappiness to the table then she would immediately feel attacked no matter what, and point out something I did equally offensive. So...I'd just rather not. Besides, her actions right now and the past year or so speak louder than an apology ever would.

Do you feel like attacking another chart with me?

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posted October 07, 2013 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
It's very hard to get good info in the internet, so I tend to apply only the things that I've read in more than one place... If I read something different, I keep it for referencing but don't apply on the interpretation.

Hopefully they'll tell us what's really supposed to be done in this case


I know, I need to get the books but they aren't available on my Nook!

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posted October 07, 2013 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I'm terrible at being open about my feelings. And I sense if I were to bring my unhappiness to the table then she would immediately feel attacked no matter what, and point out something I did equally offensive. So...I'd just rather not. Besides, her actions right now and the past year or so speak louder than an apology ever would.

Do you feel like attacking another chart with me?


Omg, you're a woman on a mission, aren't you? I can try, but I'll make more sense tomorrow, with fresher eyes.

But, listen, openning up is not really saying "look, this and this are happening to me, why haven't you got my back?" Maybe you should say something along the lines of "hey girl, I've missed talking to you. I'm feeling uncharacteristically needy lately, as some unpleasant things have happened. Do you think you can spare a couple of hours to talk to me?" If she says no, it's better to know right away that she doesn't value your friendship as much as you value hers. I find that knowing rather than guessing who my friends really are less time-consuming and easier on my sensitive heart.

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