posted November 30, 2013 01:06 PM            

I asked if I would date someone soon out of curiosity. I'm still learning how to interpret horary but this is what I got:
1) I'm saturn, they're sun- no application
2) If I look at my co-sig (moon), then there is sextile with sun and it's applying-so would say yes
3) the moon is not void course, making chart readable
4) what concerns me is that both my sig and co-sig are in 8th house. From what I've ready this means that I"m obsessed with him or will have very strong feelings with him? Also, I'm in his 2nd, so he would view me as a possession?

If my interpretation is correct, this future relationship doesn't seem to be a very healthy relationship lol.

Thanks for any input!

posted November 30, 2013 01:46 PM            

Just a couple of ideas... You being in 8th shows your general focus on matters of that house, not how you view him. He's in your 9th, so you view him as something related to that: long distance journey to see him, someone that teaches you, etc. He, on the other hand, will be focused on communicating with you (his 3rd house) and view as a possession or object, which can mean simply he'll be very jealous early on.

See if there's any reception between you, otherwise no aspects means no relationship for the time frame in this chart.

posted November 30, 2013 02:49 PM            

So with my sig and co-sig being in 8th, does that mean that this relationship could somehow relate to money/death/transformation?

Regarding reception: If there's no aspect between signifiers but there is between the moon (my co-sig) and his sig, would that still count as reception?

posted November 30, 2013 03:18 PM            

I think you're confusing reception with the aspects. Reception actually means that you're in the degree of dignity of the quesited's significator. I'm supposedly taking a break from relationship horaries, lol, but let me use your chart as example here.

You're at 17 Scorpio, while Sun is at 8 Sagittarius.

Using this table here ( http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson7/ ), I can see that:
- you are peregrine, because in Scorpio you only have essential dignity (by term) from 24º-30º and you're at 17º.
- you are received by Sun in his face degree, that goes from 10º to 20º.
- he is dignified by triplicity (the chart was generated in daylight).
- he is received by you in your triplicity (Saturn is participating), but not anywhere else, as your essential dignity degrees are: by term, 21º-26º in Sagittarius, and by face, 20º-30º.

I'm not sure how clear an explaination that is, as I'm not really good at explaining things, but I hope you can understand what I meant to say...

posted November 30, 2013 04:19 PM            

@ImeanJ: Thank for your input! I thought combust only mattered if it was a main sig?

posted November 30, 2013 05:56 PM            

So, I pulled some cards for you and they seems rather positive. I asked what you needed to know about your relationship with your friend. I got:
Theme: Crystal: Have faith and hope, there is something positive and new on the horizon that you can't see yet.
Challenge or influence: Fiona: Generally I take this card as a 'yes'. The given definition is ' be open to guidance'
Guidance: Opal: 'your children on earth are happy and well'
Outcome: Francesca: "What do you desire? Visualize it and it will come about"

OK, so from my interpretation from these cards I'm getting the feeling that you should not end your friendship with your friend. Perhaps she is going through something personal right now (maybe to do with children or family). This may sound weird, but is there anyway that you could potentially be creating or imagining this negativity/resistance from your friend...almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy? I know I've been in situations before where I've been 100% convinced that things were a certain way and got worked up and then later discovered that they were not in fact the way I had perceived them to be.

I asked how you could help/improve your relationship with your friend and got: Dream big, play time, yes, and simplify your life. From this, it seems that the angels are suggesting that you don't focus on trying to get your friend to open up to you or confront her, but perhaps ask is she's interested in having a fun night out with you...maybe go for drinks or dinner or do something active. The challenge card here was 'play time'...it seems that there is fun, easiness and 'good times' lacking from this friendship.

posted November 30, 2013 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Spritualjourney:
@ImeanJ: thanks for the reference! Ok, so if I'm understanding correctly, then any planet combust sun is considered powerless? So, does this automatically negate any receptions or applications seen in the chart? Or, could this be interpreted as the planet in combust (me here) not have any control of the situation?

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So you've got a couple of things mixed up. Via Combusta is when the Sun, Moon or Ascendant is 15 Libra to Scorpio. Unless its in Spica degree - then this is like a blessing. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/via_combusta.html

When the Sun is combust something then its a planet within a certain degree of the Sun and it is powerless unless its Cazimi - or in the heart of the Sun. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/combust.html

So, even before you get to the Sun combusta yadda yadda yadda. Having the Moon be in Via Combusta is like having the Moon be Void of Course, except kinda worse. The Moon, represents feelings and often represent the timeline of events in the horary. And if it is on the burnt path - it normally renders the chart unreadable. Even if you do decide to read it. The state of the querent is often very frazzled - emotionally unstable and weakened - because the Moon is in its detriment in Scorpio.

posted November 30, 2013 08:18 PM            

I'm not sure I'm imagining things, as she actually spoke to someone else about me and how annoyed I was making her and how I had bad energies or whatever. As if I wasn't able to feel bad vibes myself.

Anyhow, the thing that might be giving you the idea of a self-fulfilled prophecy is probably because I'm feeling used by her, and that is something that has happened quite a lot in my life. People read me for a nice, easy-going person and tend to ask ask ask, until I'm either "dry" or fed up. So yes, I'm thinking and feeling this is the whole someone-is-using-me all over again.

I actually think she said what she said for me, just so she could tell me what she was thinking without addressing it directly to me, like a mature 30-something should do. There was another instance that she was rude and mean to me for no reason whatsoever than that she was in a bad mood. Besides that, the thing that made her so annoyed at me was my concern for her own health: she had a small local cirurgy (she had told me she was feeling weak a couple of weeks ago), I saw what I thought was her extenuating herself so I tried to tell her she might be taking on too much. She read that as me trying to control her or something like that. Instead of speaking to me about it, she decided to go to someone else and talk about me. This, to me, was really hurtful. Especially because I know she talks badly about people behind their backs, so I'm 99% sure she is currently telling this person what a b*tch I am, etc etc.

I can't ask her to go out because she doesn't live near me, and honestly? I don't think she'd go for it. Tbh, I'm not even sure I want to be in this friendship anymore... Ever since I thought to myself "this is done," I've been feeling better, lighter and more content than I was before... Perhaps she wasn't doing it intentionally, but I do feel a peace of mind that was missing from my life ever since I got closer to her.

posted November 30, 2013 09:23 PM            

@Fille: that definitely sounds like too much drama, odd that the cards were so positive about the outcome & your friendship. Are you sure there's nothing you aren't "seeing"? The 1st card did say to have faith & patience there is something on the horizon you're not seeing yet. In the end, whatever the cards say, you have to follow your own gut, you know what's best for you.. Just make sure your decision comes from a place of love and not the ego.

posted December 01, 2013 06:53 AM            

Also, I'm pretty sure there are things I'm not seeing him, but like I said, I've reached my limit. I can handle one instance of uncalled for rudeness, but just like that saying goes "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me", I'm not going to give her a third opportunity to act that way. If it were a decision based on ego, I'd have dismissed this friendship the moment she dumped all her anger at someone else on me. This is a decision based on what I'm feeling (better than I was in days) and not on what I'm thinking (that she's a user, no matter how much she denies it).

I know it's not wise to go out of my way for other people, but I can't seem to help myself. I start by helping out here and there and when I realize it, I'm already giving my all. I've been trying to work on imposing boundaries and saying no to people, but when they appear to me just as nice and naive as I am, I get sucked in and fooled. I'm 25 and I haven't learned that lesson yet... hopefully one day I will.

posted December 01, 2013 07:22 AM            

you say you come from a place of concern for me, but i'm older than you and i know what people are like...so if you've fooled yourself with this. i read otherwise.

anyway if you don't want to talk anymore good for me....i'm cancelling that xmas gift that i already sent you as we speak...and i honestly don't need ppl like u in my life at all, as i already have a lot on my plate. you can keep yours on your own plate.

no wonder you told me that you can't keep your friends for too long once....

for your own info not that it's any of your business, the 'bad vibe' woman from my exchange with Dani was my step mom...

posted December 01, 2013 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by NoRainNoRainbows:

okay Fille, you are naturally talking about me....and thank you so much. but go through out all my posts and let me see where i mentioned you? and no i don't gossip, but not sure about you.

you say you come from a place of concern for me, but i'm older than you and i know what people are like...so if you've fooled yourself with this. i read otherwise.

anyway if you don't want to talk anymore good for me....i'm cancelling that xmas gift that i already sent you as we speak...and i honestly don't need ppl like u in my life at all, as i already have a lot on my plate. you can keep yours on your own plate.

no wonder you told me that you can't keep your friends for too long once....

for your own info not that it's any of your business, the 'bad vibe' woman from my exchange with Dani was my step mom...

disgusting, it is me not you that gets used by people like you all the time...and ugh! good bye, and good luck with your future 'friendships'...

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I actually started to write a reply to you, NoRain, but unlike you I go straight to the source instead of exposing people in public forums. This is not what I am about or what I do. I was reading only your recent posts in that thread, so it was a bit telling to me that the moment I mention it to you, you actually say something about someone annoying you etc etc. At no moment someone could trace what I said in this thread back to you, as I made sure to not expose you in that way, because I don't think that is the mature way to talk things out when two people have an issue between them. Clearly you disagree.

Since you decided to address it here, instead of in private, here's to everyone the e-mail I sent her 15 minutes before she decided to post here instead of e-mailing me back:

EDITED BY RANDALL: NO POSTING OF PERSONAL E-MAILS, PLEASE.

Thanks so much for that remark on my friendships. For your information, I do have long time friends, of over 10 years, only they are few, because I value quality over quantity. I could certainly air things you told me as a friend, but again -- not how I roll.

I don't wish you ill, but this public exposure of me, trying to shame me or whatever, has crossed the line for me and if I was past caring before, I'm just past this whole thing now.