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Topic: Suicide chart with transits
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next to neptune
Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 11, 2013 03:45 PM
  
My brother killed himself the 9th december. He threw himself into a lake and he drowned.
Here is his chart with transits for the 9th december.
I always knew he had problems with reality. And he suffered from schizophrenia, social anxiety and depression.
I notice his saturn in 11th house, his sun square neptune, his mars in 1st house conjunction uranus and that his chart in general is very focused in a small area. He never really "transformed" himself. He always thought he has wasted his life and was of no use to the society. But he was a good brother and it is very sad he had to die.
I think he really suffered even more after his saturn return. The day he died his mercury was conjunct uranus - radical thought. And he was martian enough in the natal chart to not fear death. There was not so far from thought to action.
But I have to say that we hoped the best until his death, and he was actually doing better in general, I personally think it was almost an accident he died, cause the day he died his contact person wasn't there and some strangers had to drive him to the hospital. A woman was driving him alone in her car, when he escaped and ran to the lake were he drowned. If there was a second person in the car I don't think it would have happened.
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Twirl
Knowflake Posts: 2799
From: Europe
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted December 11, 2013 04:27 PM
I'm so sorry 
Didn't you help me with my friends chart that also committed suicide?
I still don't know much about astrology, but here's a  for you & one for your brother
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Rosalind
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posted December 11, 2013 04:33 PM
Sorry to hear that. The first thing I noticed was that NN in 8th house Your brother was born with a great mission which unfortunately he failed to fullfil. No, don't think for a moment I'm judging him because I'm not. Your brother has lived many lives before this one where he didnt reach a level of spirituality where he could understand well the meaning of death. He kept living like death wasn't making big deal for him. In this life he should have done the opposite. He thought he could escape from his problems through death. He saw death as an escape but he didnt try to understand its meaning. Its true meaning. I see that most of his planets are in 10th and 11th house. He tried to live in the most MUNDANE way when he should have lived for spiritual matters. To seek and understand God, to start looking in himself and face his fears, his deep thoughts etc. NN is always tricky in 8th house and many people fail to understand the purpose they have in life. That is why many people with this placement feel the need to end their life because they have this feeling inside that if they don't to that life will end them. They fear life not death. They fear what they cannot see and they think death is nothing. Just a place where they feel most comfortable.
Unfortunately... your brother doing such thing is not gonna go where he wants. At least not immediately. He's gonna have to spend 7 Earthly years in limbo. His soul might also be stuck in this plane for a while. Either way... it was a mistake from him to think death will end things. On the contrary. This is just the beginning.
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Twirl
Knowflake Posts: 2799
From: Europe
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted December 11, 2013 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Sorry to hear that. The first thing I noticed was that NN in 8th house Your brother was born with a great mission which unfortunately he failed to fullfil. No, don't think for a moment I'm judging him because I'm not. Your brother has lived many lives before this one where he didnt reach a level of spirituality where he could understand well the meaning of death. He kept living like death wasn't making big deal for him. In this life he should have done the opposite. He thought he could escape from his problems through death. He saw death as an escape but he didnt try to understand its meaning. Its true meaning. I see that most of his planets are in 10th and 11th house. He tried to live in the most MUNDANE way when he should have lived for spiritual matters. To seek and understand God, to start looking in himself and face his fears, his deep thoughts etc. NN is always tricky in 8th house and many people fail to understand the purpose they have in life. That is why many people with this placement feel the need to end their life because they have this feeling inside that if they don't to that life will end them. They fear life not death. They fear what they cannot see and they think death is nothing. Just a place where they feel most comfortable.
Unfortunately... your brother doing such thing is not gonna go where he wants. At least not immediately. He's gonna have to spend 7 Earthly years in limbo. His soul might also be stuck in this plane for a while. Either way... it was a mistake from him to think death will end things. On the contrary. This is just the beginning.
Sensitivity really isn't your forte, I see.
7 earthy years in Limbo sounds like something you read somewhere. And quite frankly, even though I'm sure you meant well with sharing your knowledge, I find what you have written a bit tasteless. --------
@neptune: looked in my cards to see if I could give you a message. It said that crisis & working through those, do lead to inner peace. Not sure if this may help to decipher: look at (returning) cycles & rhythms in the horoscope. (So I suppose that leaves out the slower planets?) This will help you understand. Possibly will dawn after a while (no ephimany straight away) IP: Logged |
Enneline
Knowflake Posts: 93
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Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 11, 2013 04:52 PM
So sorry to hear about your loss IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 11, 2013 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Twirl:
I'm so sorry
Didn't you help me with my friends chart that also committed suicide?
I still don't know much about astrology, but here's a for you & one for your brother
I think so, I did I don't know why but the thought didn't occur to me back then, that my own brother was going to die I wish I did something more to him…I wasn't there enough for him..
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 11, 2013 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Sorry to hear that. The first thing I noticed was that NN in 8th house Your brother was born with a great mission which unfortunately he failed to fullfil. No, don't think for a moment I'm judging him because I'm not. Your brother has lived many lives before this one where he didnt reach a level of spirituality where he could understand well the meaning of death. He kept living like death wasn't making big deal for him. In this life he should have done the opposite. He thought he could escape from his problems through death. He saw death as an escape but he didnt try to understand its meaning. Its true meaning. I see that most of his planets are in 10th and 11th house. He tried to live in the most MUNDANE way when he should have lived for spiritual matters. To seek and understand God, to start looking in himself and face his fears, his deep thoughts etc. NN is always tricky in 8th house and many people fail to understand the purpose they have in life. That is why many people with this placement feel the need to end their life because they have this feeling inside that if they don't to that life will end them. They fear life not death. They fear what they cannot see and they think death is nothing. Just a place where they feel most comfortable.
Unfortunately... your brother doing such thing is not gonna go where he wants. At least not immediately. He's gonna have to spend 7 Earthly years in limbo. His soul might also be stuck in this plane for a while. Either way... it was a mistake from him to think death will end things. On the contrary. This is just the beginning.
We hoped he didn't suffer much but the water was cold and his head must have been tormented.
You are right about many things in this I believe. He was afraid of life, he was afraid of anyone who wanted to do him good. He was stuck in childhood, he couldn't fulfill or complete anything and he felt very much like he was a failure. No special saturn contacts. Maybe he even lacked the drive of living. He was too much alone also, and he really feared people.
He never really experienced love or anything. He didn't believe in god the most of his life, but he had some moments where he was very dedicated. These last few month he was even getting philosophically. Some good changes happened to his life during his saturn return. He was about to become better, but the doctors failed to save his life. You are right, he didn't knew what to do with this NN in 8th house.
I think it's such a shame, he was my brother and he was very talented but somehow he had many demons too. I already miss him. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 11, 2013 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Twirl:
Sensitivity really isn't your forte, I see.
7 earthy years in Limbo sounds like something you read somewhere. And quite frankly, even though I'm sure you meant well with sharing your knowledge, I find what you have written a bit tasteless. --------
Yeah, right. Sensitivity isn't my forte. In fact I hate people and like making fun of them and their suffering. How cruel is Rosalind right and how sensitive is Twirl to figure that out. Good girl!
FYI my childhood was marked by a suicide so no. I didn't read somewhere. I lived it. IP: Logged |
Twirl
Knowflake Posts: 2799
From: Europe
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Yeah, right. Sensitivity isn't my forte. In fact I hate people and like making fun of them and their suffering. How cruel is Rosalind right and how sensitive is Twirl to figure that out. Good girl!
FYI my childhood was marked by a suicide so no. I didn't read somewhere. I lived it.
It's about your last comment, which I find tasteless. Not about your whole life or what you experienced. If you want to discuss this further with me you can open another thread. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 12, 2013 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by Twirl:
It's about your last comment, which I find tasteless. Not about your whole life or what you experienced. If you want to discuss this further with me you can open another thread.
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next to neptune
Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 04:50 AM
Please you two. Will you please relate to this subject instead of fighting. If you have anything to say about this whole thing, his chart, his transits I would be very happy, anything that helps me understand. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 12, 2013 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Please you two. Will you please relate to this subject instead of fighting. If you have anything to say about this whole thing, his chart, his transits I would be very happy, anything that helps me understand.
1. I didn't start being rude.
2. I already told you why your brother did what he did. IP: Logged |
Twirl
Knowflake Posts: 2799
From: Europe
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 05:29 AM
I do apologise for breaking your thread, Neptune. I'll withold 'of subject'-comments.
I hope someone like Hera or Ceri will be able to give you some more insight 
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
1. I didn't start being rude.
2. I already told you why your brother did what he did.
I don't care. If you don't have anything more to say, then thank you for your reply and goodbye.
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by Twirl:
I do apologise for breaking your thread, Neptune. I'll withold 'of subject'-comments.
I hope someone like Hera or Ceri will be able to give you some more insight
Thanks. I appreciate your consideration so much, even though you don't know much, it still means a lot to me IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 12, 2013 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I don't care. If you don't have anything more to say, then thank you for your reply and goodbye.
Pfff. Look what happens when one tries to help. You know what? I don't care either. I'm done with you. I am tired to waste my time with rude and UNGRATEFUL people. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Pfff. Look what happens when one tries to help. You know what? I don't care either. I'm done with you. I am tired to waste my time with rude and UNGRATEFUL people.
Whatever, you just stay away from my threads then, that would be great, and I'm also done with you, now f*** off b**** IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 12, 2013 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Whatever, you just stay away from my threads then, that would be great, and I'm also done with you, now f*** off b****
Great. Now I'm a f*** b****. Great. Go to damnit hell! IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Great. Now I'm a f*** b****. Great. Go to damnit hell!
You have no idea what it's like to have a brother that just died. You don't give a **** to anything, but that's not my problem. You should never have come here in this thread if you don't have any sympathy and just want to argue with people. You argue with people EVERYWHERE. I'm ******* TIRED of you. JUST GO AWAY WHY is it so hard for you to understand!???? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 12, 2013 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
You have no idea what it's like to have a brother that just died. You don't give a **** to anything, but that's not my problem. You should never have come here in this thread if you don't have any sympathy and just want to argue with people. You argue with people EVERYWHERE. I'm ******* TIRED of you. JUST GO AWAY WHY is it so hard for you to understand!????
I SHOWED SYMPATHY TO YOU AND TRIED TO HELP YOU. AND WHAT YOU DID? YOU CALLED ME A ******* ***** . IS THAT HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND TO YOU? YOU ARE A CRETIN!
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I SHOWED SYMPATHY TO YOU AND TRIED TO HELP YOU. AND WHAT YOU DID? YOU CALLED ME A ******* ***** . IS THAT HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND TO YOU? YOU ARE A CRETIN!
You DIDNT come in here to help. You came into this thread only to ARGUE. You posted a comment that was NICE and I was HAPPY to read what you wrote about NN in 8th house. But that was apparently not YOUR purpose. After this you argued with Twirl and that IS VERY TASTELESS. WHY do you do that? Why can't you just post a nice comment like you DID and then STOP arguing? I'm not Ungrateful at all. I just don't see the reason why you keep arguing with everyone, and in a thread that is about suicide, and then you insult me too. WTF is your problem with me, why don't you stay away from this thread if you don't have anything nice to say to me? Ofc I explode now, my brother JUST ******* DIED. You are very unsympathetic and egoistical. At least I know that now. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 07:33 AM
Rosalind : You are UNRESEPCTFUL, not only to ME, but to OTHERS, MY BROTHER, THE DEAD - you don't belong here. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WILL GO TO HELL
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Rosalind
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posted December 12, 2013 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
You DIDNT come in here to help. You came into this thread only to ARGUE. You posted a comment that was NICE and I was HAPPY to read what you wrote about NN in 8th house. But that was apparently not YOUR purpose. After this you argued with Twirl and that IS VERY TASTELESS. WHY do you do that? Why can't you just post a nice comment like you DID and then STOP arguing? I'm not Ungrateful at all. I just don't see the reason why you keep arguing with everyone, and in a thread that is about suicide, and then you insult me too. WTF is your problem with me, why don't you stay away from this thread if you don't have anything nice to say to me? Ofc I explode now, my brother JUST ******* DIED. You are very unsympathetic and egoistical. At least I know that now.
LOL!
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Rosalind
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posted December 12, 2013 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Rosalind : You are UNRESEPCTFUL, not only to ME, but to OTHERS, MY BROTHER, THE DEAD - you don't belong here. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WILL GO TO HELL
GLADLY! IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 672
From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 12, 2013 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
GLADLY!
LOL to you too. Would like to see your chart. I'm sure it explains why you are so f***** up. And you probably know it too.
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