posted February 02, 2014 05:45 PM            

You have the most heavily tenanted 8th house I have yet to see. People with 8th house planets here have brought over a legacy of sensitivity to the invisible currents from past lives. The eighth house also rules legacies of the dead, among other things, inheritances, etc, there seems to be a lot of strong indications of gains through inheritance, family or partner (business or otherwise), which the Jupiter in the fourth also accentuates.
Was your father basically absent in one way or another?
With all that Libra there is a lot of sweetness, people-pleasing, vacillation and desire for balance, peace, harmony, but "peace at any price is hard to attain." In a world of duality and opposites, Libra is always struggling to bring the two into balance and harmony, which can almost be like being in a constant battle because how often are the scales totally balanced? They often lean to one side or the other and are rarely equal and balanced for long. You probably struggle to keep peace and balance in the family, perhaps the family gossip comes because you can always see both sides of the situation, so as where you may see it as being fair and listening to both sides, others may see it as deceptive, taking one persons side sometimes, another person's side other times, or perhaps both sides at the same (ei, in a family argument, maybe you would talk to one person about it in confidence, and you can totally empathize with how they feel and view the situation. Then you talk to the other person about it, and again can empathize with the others feelings/views. Then when the two eventually reconcile they talk about it and see how you agreed with both and in the end feel like you betrayed or slighted them, by agreeing with both of them separately, where as you might just see it as trying to keep peace and seeing both sides of the situation? This is a totally hypothetical situation but one that I see a lot with Libra/Libra planets..) So this could be where the gossip etc comes from, if that makes sense?
Perhaps you need to assert yourself more, tell them you don't appreciate this gossip and won't tolerate it anymore. Which might upset people that have been seeing you as an easy target due to people-pleasing tendencies, and are used to being able to take advantage of you. And Libra doesn't like upsetting others!!

With all that eight house emphasis and Aquarius asc suggests a lot of psychic intuitiveness/sensitivity whether recognized by the individual or not.

Neptune in the 10th suggests that you will have to give more than received in your career/credit for work done, which is a karmic condition due to having taken the credit when it had not been earned in other lifetimes. Neptune here again suggests the father as an alcoholic or evader of responsibility and the eight house sun suggests loss of father early in life in some way. Neptune here is a good position for those who work to help others..

I guess it depends a lot on whether you believe in past lives/karma or not..?
This is what has explained so much to me and helped me to understand myself/ the childhood I chose to endure and why. In my opinion it would go a long way if people accepted the "bad" experiences in life due to past life choices/karma and/or the souls desire/choice to learn through those experiences. Each chart/individual is so complex, I believe one could study one's chart for a lifetime and still not see or know everything and still have so many insights to gain/find.

posted February 02, 2014 06:30 PM            

Actually, things are difficult with my family at the moment, but growing up my father was the most responsible person and the most kind-hearted person. He still is a good person but I think he has bad influences in his life. My mom is/was/never will be a good mother or a good person.

posted February 02, 2014 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by fauxcoat:
I am pretty open minded and think there is a possibility of past lives. I am not sure I 100% believe in it but if it is true, I must have been one heck of a you know what in a past life for me to get this chart in this life.

Actually, things are difficult with my family at the moment, but growing up my father was the most responsible person and the most kind-hearted person. He still is a good person but I think he has bad influences in his life. My mom is/was/never will be a good mother or a good person.

I am tired of struggling with everything. I know I am not perfect but I honestly try to be a good person but I get trampled on by everyone. With regard to my family, it almost feels as if they perceive me as some sort of person they need to take down...if that makes any sense, but trust me my life is not very good and I am in no way a threat to anyone nor do I have anything to brag about (I don't brag anyway). I am doing the worst out of all my family members (career isn't great, no marriage, no kids) yet they all seem to want to use me as a punching bag and enjoy seeing me fail. I don't get it.

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I definitely relate to you, I feel (know? I believe anyway) I must have been pretty terrible in at least one of my past lives if not more... And I know what its like to not want to struggle anymore.

Chart analysis is so in depth and I'm still learning, it's hard to say (for me) with out spending a good deal of time the exact factors that might cause people to treat you that way. It definitely does not sound like fun.

It is interesting that your father was the more responsible one. I'm trying to learn factors of family difficulties in charts and why...

Is there any possibility of you breaking away from your family for a time? Going on a sort of "sabbatical" if you will, try and find yourself, why your family/people treat in this way, give you a bit of a break from the gossip/tyranny of the family unit? Not to say that you should just leave your family for good, but maybe just for a time to give you a break..?

posted February 07, 2014 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Julz87:
I relate to you as well Fauxcoat, I have Sun, Venus & Ascendant in Libra and to top it off those planets fall in my 12th :/ I say just keep going don't mind them or just cut off the people that harm you, even if that means family. (I've done so but then again thats probably my mars square saturn)

@Deepseablues...my chart sucks and I've been through some pretty effed up stuff. Wonder what I must've done in my past lives to deserve all that :/..Some astrologers say that we chose our charts, Umm I don't think so. I would've never chosen my chart.

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When I first read that we chose our charts, I didn't want to believe it. My whole childhood I would ask, why me, why me? Why do I deserve this? Why do other people get so much love and happiness? I felt like I could not have possibly done anything in this life to deserve the stuff that happened to me since birth. But I always wondered, if I feel like I haven't done anything to deserve it in this life, why do I have such horrible karma? Why would children deserve suffering? I always have believed in past lives and have one very strong memory, and the tools and things that have come to help me in my darkest of times (I have suffered on and off from suicidal depression since I was 12, the only reason I never do it is because I have always felt I would have to come back to learn the same lessons!) have helped me see, that if I couldn't have possibly done anything to deserve this in this life, but I know I have lived before, and they say what goes around, comes around, or everything returns to it source. I believe it is a Cosmic Law.

It took a lot of pain and lonely times, but through them I came to realize that though I didn't feel I deserve what has happened to me in this life, I do believe in past lives (this life feels sort of unreal to me in comparison, like I don't belong in this era), and I do believe in karma, and I just feel that I chose the childhood I did to pay off a lot of that karma, to see and feel what I had done to other souls, possibly children, and to STOP BLAMING OTHERS for my ****** life and karma. I realized that it was a choice, it was choices that I made in lives I don't always remember that caused the suffering I chose, choose. I deserved it, I accept, I chose it, now that I have experienced it I would never cause that harm to another, nor would I ever have an unwanted child.

Through the research I have done on my chart to find out what certain placements mean for past lives, they feel so true, I get goosebumps and shivers all over my body (this happens for a lot of different things), but not the cold kind. I have also seen several psychically aware people (different types) for soul/energy work, the lady who could see me the most,(I walked in and she told me things about myself/soul that people who have known me my whole life can't see, and she knew specific dates and events in my life. My friend (new-found I might add, she did not know much about me at the time) took me to see this woman, and this friend is someone who I was connected to in past lives (she actually knew that one before me, confirmed more so by our psychically aware friend. She doesn't like to be called psychic, she says its a misunderstood word and that it's really just different levels of awareness), and this psychically aware person was connected to her/possibly me as well in past lives. Anyway, she took one look at me and told me the extreme emotional turmoil I am in will continue till at least my early 30's (most people who meet me don't even know how emotional I am! then when they do they go running) She then told me to take a deep breath, and she said, the reason you feel/care too much in this lifetime, is because you didn't care very much in a past life. Your soul didn't understand what it was like and wanted to come into this life to feel and care too much. She also told me the reason I shouldn't kill myself is because you can't work on your own soul issues in the spirit world, you can only provide assistance to those on the material plane and have to wait for another opportunity to jump back in (which does have to be done, as nothing is static). The things she could tell me and see about me touched my heart and soul, I was laid bare in front of her/my friend, cried non stop for hours and asked everything I could at the time (she knew when I had a question before I asked! But out of politeness would make me ask, because she says she can't answer something someone won't ask willingly. I'd literally be sitting there not wanting to interrupt with my egotistical question about my self and she would look over at me and say, go ahead, ask it,
This meeting was the greatest gift I have ever been given in this life thus far.
Also there are many strange times when I meet someone and it's an instant connection, something in my brain says to me, you knew each other in past life. You are to here to tie up ends, for good or ill.
There are times when I have begged the universe for a sign, an answer and a little tidbit is usually awarded to me, enough to keep going, like a snack, when you want a meal. Other times I was forced to look within, something that has been happening extra for the last year.

Here are some excerpts from the preface in Astrology: A Cosmic Science
"It is not because you were born at a certain place or time that you react to influences, but the influences of that moment and that place in space show your potentials that can be actualized in the future. Fate is earmarked in tendencies, not in facts. All anyone can see in a birthchart are tendencies that will become fact if one does not do something to alter them. None of us comes unbound into this livingness. We do not start here, and we do not finish our livingness here. Life is eternal. If we have it in front of us, is it not logical to believe that we may have it behind us too? It is as though we have a built in book-keeping system. We have debits, and we have credits. Some of us come into this life with a great deal of capital in our spiritual bankbooks. This is earned income from a past life. Others come in with a depleted bank account. This is the difference between an easy life pattern and a difficult one. However, there is nothing to stop us from using up our capital and becoming bankrupt, or going to work to make up the deficit so will we have a surplus with which to function.
The horoscope is the blueprint of our character. Character IS destiny. There is nothing static in this universe in which we dwell. We change by changing our attitudes and patterns of behavior. In doing so, we change our destiny. Yes, the blueprint or birthchart shows your character and personality pattern- your human nature, but you are spirit too. The stars do not impel, but compel. An understanding of planetary influences allows you to take your life into your own hands and intelligently utilize the planetary influences that will help you in your evolution if you but will.
Another thought worth pondering is this one. “How much do I consciously remember of what I have lived in this lifetime?” As you will learn later in your study of astrology, the knowledge is in your subconscious self. Your subconscious self has hidden it in the sum total of all your experiences to date. You will find that as you study you will be developing intuitional facilities for you are dealing with powerful energies that will aid you in your spiritual ongoing. How much you get out of this study depends on how much you put into it. It is security invested in your spiritual bankbook upon which you can draw in any crises or experience where understanding is needed."

posted February 07, 2014 09:41 PM            

We have the same angles in our charts. Pluto is currently going to transit our 12th house for many years to come. 12th house is the house of hidden enemies, subconscious etc. This is what they have to say abouy the transit : Pluto Transits Through Your Twelfth House: This is the house of “self-undoing”, the dustbin of the horoscope where we throw things that we don’t want to deal with. Pluto loves to go through dustbins and dumpsters. During this transit, old psychological problems, that you thought you had dealt with years earlier, come up again and demand to be heard. Don’t panic. Just face them (easier said than done, but you have to do it).  This is also the house of hidden enemies. No, you are not standing there minding your own business and these nasty people come at you. Check your own behavior to make sure that you are not doing something to irritate them and set them off.  

posted February 07, 2014 10:53 PM            

Could there also be an element of jealousy amongst these people too, or perhaps because they can't make you out or put you in a box because they don't know how to deal with you? How do you relate to people generally socially? (not talking close family here)

I sort of identify with you a bit, often feeling like the "black sheep" because I never did the "normal" thing (what is normal, btw?), ie, not married, no kids, kinda unstable or uncertain career. I wouldn't say my parents were unsupportive of me though. Although I'm Virgo I'm cuspish on Libra and fairly close to your sun sign. I have Aquarius moon (air sign like your Libra moon). I have sort of split mentality though - on the one hand I can be quite extrovert and confident and on the other - depending on the situation - introvert and sometimes shy.

posted February 08, 2014 12:19 AM            

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Thank you Poochycat and Julz. Yes, it is difficult to have this Libra in the chart. What I find to be the case is that even when I do say no, people don't take that for an answer and try to change my mind, get me to do what they want, try other methods and just push and push. And other times if I do say no, people in my life will get angry and retaliate...but they have no problem saying no to anyone in their lives. It is as if they are allowed to live life as they wish but I am not allowed to live as I wish. I feel angry that people don't respect me when I say no and I feel pushed down in life when they try this way and that way to get me to do what they want. It is difficult to say no...I don't want to worry about the repercussions of doing what is best for myself.

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I resonate with you and Yes its true, even though I put my foot down and say no, I end up feeling guilty and quickly change my mind and or its changed for me as I am persuaded easily. *sigh*. It'll all be ok though, but I have sensed some change within me, I guess you'll eventually get to a point where you just don't care what people think and or feel and put yourself first and foremost,its what I'm doing atm,it feels very damn well. Because you should always remind yourself that you are first, always.

posted February 08, 2014 12:57 AM            

From what you describe, there are some similar aspects to our charts and how you describe yourself is definitely how I would describe myself. Black sheep - somewhat confident at times, other times very shy.

posted February 09, 2014 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Julz87:
@Deepseablues, what a beautiful experinece I remember reading a book that our souls always meet in the next life and the next for example a parent their soul we have known them in a previosu life, they may not have been our parents but other people whom have played a role in our lives. Have you read "journey of the soul" its a good book you've open my eyes to certain things and have sparked my curiosity on certain matters. I have always read and heard of past lives past unpaid karmas. You mentioned certain aspects in our charts can tell us about our past lives. Do you happen to have a link or recommend a book on where I can read up on that. I'd like to look into what I was like in my past lives. And this is worth pondering over “How much do I consciously remember of what I have lived in this lifetime?" to be honest, I don't remember much clearly but they do say that you never forget how that experience made you FEEL...but do agree that its there stored in the subconscious.

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I have not read that book, thank you for the recommendation! You should look to your north/south node sign and house placement and read about those, I also found some info once about the moon position/past lives because the moon holds everything in the subconscious. I have been getting into this site recently and find it has some very good/accurate interpretations http://www.depthastrology2.com/
I also found the descriptions on this site to be very accurate:
http://www.truenode.org/

Also a friend recently lent me the book:
Astrology for the Soul by Jan Spiller, has very in depth info on sign/house placements for the nodes, so accurate it's scary! And she gives affirmations for your placements and helpful things like that.