posted April 14, 2014 12:35 AM            

Would anyone who is adept at it help me understand it?

This is another love horary, the question is 'does x still have feelings for me?' The chart was cast at the time of the q, which the querent just had argument with the quesited and in despair. Querent casted the chart.

Immediately i see No. Since there's no immediate aspects between moon (querent) and saturn (quesited). Saturns is peregrine in scorpio so the quesited is not being himself and might be seen as just seeking pleasure (5th house). It is applying to the sun, which could signify the quesited, but i have no idea what it means.

None of co significators aspecting each other except venus to moon, mars to sun, and saturn only directly aspecting jupiter (which in the first house). Then, i am stumped on how to interpret them in the houses.

Can anyone tell me if there's anything of value to say to the querent, despite the obvious big fat no?

Thank you can read cards for ur effort.

posted April 14, 2014 06:13 AM            

Would you mind giving me insight on my friendship with G? He's a guy and we've kinda drifted apart in the last month or so. Basically, what's going on in his end in regards to me. You can rephrase this however you want.

posted April 14, 2014 07:41 AM            

That being said, he's retrograde, peregrine and in the sign of Moon's fall. Did you guys fight or something? I believe he feels hurt by you, let down, stung. He can't acted out any revenge or come back, but he's thinking he should, because you've done him wrong (at least in his mind).

You are very emotional and this subject upsets you a lot. Was he like a confidant to you or someone that felt like home to you? It's either that or your focus is at home right now because of some problems there. You yourself are peregrine but being received by exaltation and decanate - whoever this other person is, they care for you deeply.

From this chart, I see you're having trouble communicating (is it just with him?), but also with your daily routine, health and/or healing. Perhaps this has to do with a long-distance trip, religion, higher learning or even dreams and divination. Are any/all of these things giving you trouble? The chart points to a yes.

For him, things seem more easy and settled: he's easily going about his communication and solitude. Did he stop talking to you or something? This is a weird combination to get.

Lastly, you have a rival/enemy in Mars. Looks like someone you know quite well and someone this other person knows from work or sees them there mostly.

posted April 14, 2014 12:54 PM            

His thoughts..
Past Present,
Future is thrown for good measure, if you want to know.

Past, The Chariot.
When in the past position, The usually positive card of chariot sometimes becomes somewhat negative in this case. This doesn't seem like he's drifting apart from you solely because of you. He's recently having an internal struggle that he has tried to broke in through. He put his energy towards this.

When I took a clarifier card, which was 8 of swords it seems like he is struggling mainly at his job, as he felt trapped somehow. But it could also signify, if you had an argument/difference in opinion, that he felt he could not make any significant change right now.

In regards to you (past position): The world. Doesn't seem like he harboured any ill-feelings for you. This struggle of his just sort of took him away from the moment, and he left many things, including you. He was simply self-possessed. If you had any argument however, this simply meant he didn't think you were wrong (but can't admit that, thus the trapped feel.)

Present position, Two of Swords.
So seemed like the situation is at stalemate for him. Whatever he's currently having, it numbs him to everything else for now. He has not yet made peace.

In regards to you (present position)
The Eight of Cups signifies that he's currently not thinking about you at the moment. He is occupied and perhaps a bit disheartened about whatever he is going through at the moment. But you are on the back of his mind because...

Future: Page of cups: He will contact you/reach out to you for sure. I am not good with timing, but he will reach out for sure, because the clarifier card is 6 of swords. He will reach out because his problem will come to pass, and when he thinks he could take a breather, he will return to you.

posted April 14, 2014 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Okay, what I'm seeing here is that Saturn is focused on his friendships, social activities and what he hopes and dreams for himself. It's not about dating at all for him.

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Is this because in the inverted chart, he is on his own 11th?

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That being said, he's retrograde, peregrine and in the sign of Moon's fall. Did you guys fight or something? I believe he feels hurt by you, let down, stung. He can't acted out any revenge or come back, but he's thinking he should, because you've done him wrong (at least in his mind).

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They did have some sort of argument, ending in both thinking they weren't in the wrong. It's a complex situation for the querent.

How did you find out that the quesited is thinking about coming back (or in this case, revenge?) Is it the saturn in retrograde (so, going 'back') and moon's fall?

So in this case, the reception (saturn in moon's fall) signifies quesited's thoughts on querent?

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You are very emotional and this subject upsets you a lot. Was he like a confidant to you or someone that felt like home to you? It's either that or your focus is at home right now because of some problems there. You yourself are peregrine but being received by exaltation and decanate - whoever this other person is, they care for you deeply.

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This is on point because at that moment, the querent was very emotional about this (maybe still is).
The querent and the quesited was close, and you are right that the querent thought of the quesited very fondly (home). The querent is currently with her family, so you could be right she might be having some problems.

Is it because the querent's significator is at the 4th house and exalted, plus in 1st degrees of libra that you could make judgment the quesited cares deeply for querent? Could you explain how did you make that judgement?

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From this chart, I see you're having trouble communicating (is it just with him?), but also with your daily routine, health and/or healing. Perhaps this has to do with a long-distance trip, religion, higher learning or even dreams and divination. Are any/all of these things giving you trouble? The chart points to a yes.

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The querent is trying her hardest to keep the communication closed because her pride is hurt and she was trying to make sense of her own feelings and emotions towards the person. I guess the fact he is consulting horary meant she may be frantically trying to turn to divination and consolation. She may or may not let the situation influenced her work life.

Does the 'long distance' trip or psychic expansion shown by the aspecting jupiter to the moon, but in square? And it occupies her because jupiter is in the first house?

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For him, things seem more easy and settled: he's easily going about his communication and solitude. Did he stop talking to you or something? This is a weird combination to get.

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The quesited stopped communication to the querent. I can see the querent is the one who is more invested.
Is this because the Saturn is aspecting jupiter in trine? Any significance that the jupiter is in the first house to the quesited?

All I can think of, the strangeness could mean the quesited thinks he understood the querent (and have no problem 'guessing' her feelings towards him right now) so he has the 'upper hand'.

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Lastly, you have a rival/enemy in Mars. Looks like someone you know quite well and someone this other person knows from work or sees them there mostly.
Let me know if any of this makes sense to you.

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Is it because the mars is conjuncting Moon and in retrograde in libra (which is where he is detriment)?

Could mars signify a man or woman? Usually mars signify a man, but could be a woman also maybe, since you said rival, so could be the quesited's lover/someone he's starting to get closer with?

So judging from your analysis, the question does not have a definite NO answer. The quesited still cares, and thought of the querent ,but not in the way querent wants. There might be contact (or at least the quesited thought about it) but it won't be the way the querent want. Is this summary right?

posted April 14, 2014 01:44 PM            

I wouldn't mind clarifying anything for you at all. Please let me know your thoughts and what else I can help with.

Now, your reading for me. First of all, thanks! I feel this does resonate even though lots of it has to do with his inner struggles, to which I'm not privy.

His struggles may be job related, yes. I did not have hopes to be occupying his mind, lol. That ship has long tanked to the bottom of the ocean.

Hmm... I can't really see him reaching out, though. Unless it's for something he needs from me or me to do. I've always struggled with understanding his feelings and intentions for me, wether they are genuine or for use's sake. I feel he's genuine but he has deep-rooted issues with who/how I am, and doesn't know how to handle those.

Would you mind checking out his feelings for me, by any chance? If you get something negative like he's using me, please tell me. I'd rather have no friends than fake friends.

posted April 14, 2014 02:07 PM            

I made a post about your horary (refering it point by point) above, so if you have time to address it/them, that would be wonderful!

posted April 14, 2014 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by peacefulclouds:
As for the horary, may I reply to you point by point? I am interested in deciphering it! The querent's replies are with permission.

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Yes, of course! You kinda of deciphered my own reading methods all by yourself though, lol.

And I thought querent was you, shucks. Just to clear up, querent is female and quesited is male, right?

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Is this because in the inverted chart, he is on his own 11th?

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Yes. For quesited's intentions and focus, ALWAYS look for its position in the inverted chart.

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[b]How did you find out that the quesited is thinking about coming back (or in this case, revenge?) Is it the saturn in retrograde (so, going 'back') and moon's fall?

So in this case, the reception (saturn in moon's fall) signifies quesited's thoughts on querent?

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Quesited is in Scorpio, so I attribute scorpionic traits to him. Yes, he is hurt and disappointed in the querent - moon's in fall. He's thinking and not acting - saturn retrograde and peregrine.

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Is it because the querent's significator is at the 4th house and exalted, plus in 1st degrees of libra that you could make judgment the quesited cares deeply for querent? Could you explain how did you make that judgement?

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Querent is emotional because she's represented by the moon. I did base what I said about her confiding in him on her being in the 4th. I see her having problems because she only has hard aspects made to her significator. Said quesited cares deeply for her because Saturn receives her by exaltation, triplicity and face/decanate. That is some very strong reception.

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Does the 'long distance' trip or psychic expansion shown by the aspecting jupiter to the moon, but in square? And it occupies her because jupiter is in the first house?

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Problems in communication are shown by the opposition to Mercury, which, aside being the communication planet, also rules her 3rd house. Jupiter rules her 6th and 9th, so the square to it speak about her struggles with healing and looking for answers elsewhere.

Jupiter in 1st house is usually beneficial to the querent, when it's not badly aspected by planets. I think she'll get what she wants out of this situation, but she most likely doesn't know exactly what she wants or how to get it. Just know that whatever is best for her in the long run will happen.

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Is this because the Saturn is aspecting jupiter in trine? Any significance that the jupiter is in the first house to the quesited?

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Yes. Jupiter is in his 7th, so he's probably lazy and thinking he has done nothing wrong and has nothing to prove to querent. Or anyone else for that matter. By 'strange combination' I meant that he has no problem with communication but he has chosen solitude instead. If he would communicate, he would be able to say what he means the way he means it, but he's opted for not retreating into his dark space and sulk.

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Is it because the mars is conjuncting Moon and in retrograde in libra (which is where he is detriment)?

Could mars signify a man or woman? Usually mars signify a man, but could be a woman also maybe, since you said rival, so could be the quesited's lover/someone he's starting to get closer with?

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Mars is an enemy whenever it has harsh aspects to it. If only soft aspects are made, then he is an agressive friend who estimulates the querent. Mars is usually male and he can be a rival for the quesited's attention.

Venus would be a rival in the love department. I think he's just talking to Venus and nothing else has happened there.

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So judging from your analysis, the question does not have a definite NO answer. The quesited still cares, and thought of the querent ,but not in the way querent wants. There might be contact (or at least the quesited thought about it) but it won't be the way the querent want. Is this summary right?

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No contact, sorry. Quesited cares and thinks about querent, but he's not going to act on those. Once he turns direct, then it's another story. That's when the 'no' becomes 'yes' and 'yes' becomes 'no'. Saturn turns direct July 20.

posted April 14, 2014 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by peacefulclouds:
Ok! I will pull cards in the morning (it is 1 am here), i will look into it. Give me a few hours ok! I have received ur q

I made a post about your horary (refering it point by point) above, so if you have time to address it/them, that would be wonderful!

See you in a bit!

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Hahaha, of course! I'll just edit out the parts I said I would from the feedback, ok?

I've replied to your horary questions above too.

posted April 15, 2014 02:05 AM            

The general trend is the Justice card.

Clarifications are: Queen of Pentacles, the Ace of Wands and the Two of Cups.

In regards to how he sees you? Seems like he is not using you, as you can see it is a very positive spread. But, I could see the justice card is imparting the message that he or you is focusing on just one thing that is more logistic based than your heart.

Maybe if I can connect to your story, and the previous reading, he's 'trapped' in relation to this friendship is because his mindset is stuck in that incident with yours- but know that he is in the wrong, but too prideful to admit. Seems like he's just prideful person and stuck focusing on the wrong thing (in regards to your friendship)

I do not know the details of your friendship, but it shows he might reach out to you. it won't be anything big even, but he will.