posted April 17, 2014 07:42 AM            

The question is: Will he accept the birthday gift well/will things go smoothly?

the hidden intent would be : Would I (querent) be fine?

I admit it was hard to phrase the question, because the situation is that we no longer talk (due to emotional matter) but had to attend a double-birthday party, and I bought my gift long time ago before we stopped talking. In respect to the other mutual friend of ours, I have to come to the party, and might as well give him the gift (since it is a perishable). It would probably be fine...

So Saturn is the quesited and sun is the querent, no aspects so it's bust...

The sun is exalted and triplicity so maybe I will be fine And Sun is in saturn's fall, so I suppose I am more concerned of myself and how I am feeling, and dislike him (a bit true, disappointed maybe.)

Sun is being received by saturn's term however. What does term usually mean?

But moon conjunct saturn (applying) and i heard it's generally a bad thing? Could anyone shed a light on this?

Saturn is in moon's fall, so might be that he doesn't care about my feelings but he is also peregrine and retrograde...

He will be bringing his girlfriend, and seems like venus is (which I take as signifier of his lady) currently trining (or is it quincux?) saturn + applying, so they're doing well and Saturn is received by venus's face and fall. Face is good but fall is not, unsure what this means :/

Sorry for all over the place analysis.. any help would be appreciated.

posted April 17, 2014 05:01 PM            

The signifier is 7th when it comes to most stuff including business partner.

posted April 17, 2014 05:06 PM            

Conjunction is the best because it's the closest aspect.

posted April 17, 2014 05:12 PM            

From what I know, conjunct can be really bad aspect when the dignities are bad (detriment etc), the planets are naturally incompatible etc.

But conjunction tend to basically mean forced/pressured coming together, that doesn't allow breathing room. So it could be a yes with uncomfortableness, but preferable than disjunction.

So I dunno, if indeed I have to use the 11th as signifier, then this chart might have a better outcome.

posted April 17, 2014 08:28 PM            

In this case, I'd still use the 7th house to signify the quesited.

So you got a gift for him for his birthday. The 2nd house rules moveable possessions. Mercury signifies the gift itself. Sun and Mercury are separating which tells us that you already got the gift, had it all wrapped up and ready to give. Is it a book about higher education or some kind of foreign object?

The Sun is exalted while Mercury is peregrine. This tells us you are hopeful of a positive outcome--which, I think you are. But Mercury opposes Mars, which rules the house your significator is in. Mars is in detriment and in retrograde. We can use Mars as his co-significator because Saturn is in Scorpio and it is not directly aspecting the Sun. It also represents any male figure that's at least about your age. This already implies that he wouldn't be paying attention to you or notice you that day. The only reason he would be talking to you is because you would give him his birthday gift. Mars in detriment plus retrograde could mean that he will accept the gift but will be hesitant to show gratitude for it. He may, for example, say a simple thank you in a cold way. And since it's in the 3rd house, he might even feel uncomfortable talking to you or thanking you for the gift.

Venus, which represents the girlfriend is in applying aspect to his significator. She sits on the 8th house and is exalted in Pisces. This could indicate that although she might secretly feel insecure about her place in his life, she's able to maintain a good healthy attitude about it. She's not aspecting your significator, so you wouldn't have to worry about her. I doubt you would even talk during his birthday. But she will be with him all throughout the day like some kind of gum because Venus is in applying aspect to Saturn. They will also be both lost in their own little world of romance, what with Jupiter exalted in Cancer trining both their significators in the 12th house.

posted April 17, 2014 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by peacefulclouds:
Thanks! it makes sense. He is a way older man by the way, like 20+ yrs. So maybe mars not appropriate but makes sense still. Any meaning of moon aspecting saturn? I know i heard it's generally a bad sign.

Thank you!

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Well, we could've used the Sun, but that is your significator. And Saturn represents older men, but then again, it is already his significator and it's not aspecting yours, so.. the only candidate left is Mars.

Anyway, Moon conjunct Saturn..

The Moon basically is your co-significator. It always is for the querent and it shows how you feel about the situation or the quesited.

The Moon being in the 4th house shows that you care for the quesited (also since the quesited's significator sits there).

It's in detriment in Scorpio which could mean that you have very deep emotional feelings for the quesited, but you are unable to show it because of certain circumstances--that plus it's conjunction to Saturn.

posted April 17, 2014 08:46 PM            

He was the person I inquired before in your thread. At first he was the one who kept wanting to keep me in his life and unsure if he would/can contact me (because I drew the line and I was busy with work etc), but he has yet to contact me, probably out of respect (which I appreciate, because he did not before, and we had a fight months ago because of it.)

We met again by accident on someone else's birthday, and I could tell he wasn't happy with my decision. He came up to me and told me he knew I'm avoiding him (as a small protest) before he left.

My reasoning in giving the gift is because I'll be there anyway (regardless he comes or not), so if I did give the gift, it will be because it's silly to not to (since I cannot avoid the event due to respect for the other person.)