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Twirl
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posted April 18, 2014 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

I wondered if anyone could give me information on this synastry. This was my Mister Big (long time in past) & vice versa I was very important to him. We never made it work though (around 8 years invested - hello Pluto?)
What was it - I will exchange with people who can give me some solid info.
I am in the outside. He is on the inside.
Thank you!

Ps) I'm not sure about the ASC - I guess this could fit it Aries or Saggi
Ps2: hang on, working on photobucket app


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posted April 18, 2014 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adimi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Moon/Venus conjunction creates an immediate sense of "liking" for one another. I've seen that the Moon person often tends to be more outwardly expressive of this, but the feeling on the Venus person side is no less intense. It creates a really good sense of being comfort with one another and a genuine adoration. A "I can't help but smile for no reason when I see you" sort of feeling". This doesn't have to be romantic at all in nature, although it helps tremendously.

On the other hand, you also have a Moon/Saturn conjunction. A lot of people fear this aspect but I do like it. It brings groundness to your relationship, and yours is in Taurus, which keeps you guys with your feet on the ground and your reality in check. I bet it was not difficult for you guys to know where the other was standing in a particular moment of this relationship. Saturn connections bind people together (probably why you invested in this for so long) and creates a lot of loyalty & respect within the connection of two people.

There's a close Mars/Pluto,Uranus & Jupiter conjunction which brings a strong attraction & attachement to one another. An electrifying energy. This along with the Mars/Jupiter opposition plus Moon/Uranus on the other side, most likely leads great sexual compatibility!! It would be interesting to see the composite aswell for this. Excitement wasn't certainly lacking and the chemistry was nothing like you've ever seen before, I bet. Uranus connections make you "feel alive" and often are what brings the "love at first sight" sort of feeling. And, of course, being bored of each other was just not possible. I just noticed the Pluto/Venus trine aswell, which reenforces all of hat I already said above. Attraction and attachement.

If I'm not mistaken, there seems to be a Saturn/South Node conjunction. Also a Mars & Mercury/South Node conjunction, on the other side. So this connection was most definitely karmic. I'd say that the Saturn person was the great teacher in the development of maturit of the South Node person, while the Mars/Mercury person opened up new horizons, ways of thinking and created just a general new outlook on life on the other person through the sexual energy but also through communication. Sharing was important for you guys and deep (South Node connection). There seems to be a good mutual understanding (Mercury sextiles Mercury).

I can look into this a bit more later if you wish to, hopefully someone else will be able to give you a bit more insight into this. I hope it was helpful!

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tgem
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posted April 18, 2014 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure, Twirl I'd love to help you..I'll just give my 2 cents of what pops out so strongly at me. First, yes you have ALOT of Saturn aspects...that's the glue. That's what made it go on for so long. Saturn can is the glue for good or bad. Both hard aspects and soft aspects are binding. As for the Pluto, his Pluto aspecting your Virgo stellium makes for all the obsession, attachment...especially since it's conjunct your stellium..then you add the venus/Pluto trine on top of that..that's seriously strong Pluto going on! His sun is conjunct your IC Twirl, that's a soulmate aspect..whether the relationship lasts or not..it was a relationship meant to impact you profoundly. This just validates the impact of the Pluto and Saturn. When you have personal planets aspecting ALOT of the other person's outers (in this case) it usually means a karmic relationship, as already stated. But it doesn't mean the relationship is meant to last. Next we look at the secondary house rulers: your 7th (house of marriage/partnerships) and 8th (sex/transformation) are both ruled by Jupiter. Your jupiter trines his Uranus/jupiter conjunction, almost exact, and opposes his mars/neptune conjunction tight! This brought an additional tremendous feeling of sexual attraction/fantasy/"the one" stuff. And usually, both parties feel this, it's not just one sided, especially since he has the mars/neptune conjunction natally. And with your natal venus trine neptune as well. Yep..lots of romance/ rose-colored glasses. Now for the not so good news: both of your Uranus's make hard aspects to each other personal planets (conjunctions and squares.). Although yes, it starts with the love at first sight, electric feeling, these hard aspects will be reflected in the composite and ultimately hard Uranus aspects to personal planets in the composite can end the relationship. You would need ALOT of Saturn aspects to balance those out. So if you have more hard Uranus aspects than Saturn aspects (especially if they're soft) it can show a tendency for the relationship to ultimately end. You would have to post the composite though to really find that out. But as far as the synastry you had, yes..very profound, karmic! Meant to shake you both up and definitely leave an impact. I hope this helped you get a better grasp. I didn't mention the nodes, but his SN conjunct your Virgo stellium just reinforces the karmic nature of this relationship.

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posted April 18, 2014 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Thanks so much both of you!
I will write a longer & more specific reply soon.
Which composite do I need? I never know which one to choose & there's always huge differences between them.

Post your tarot question & I will read on them for you

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posted April 18, 2014 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Twirl:
Wow! Thanks so much both of you!
I will write a longer & more specific reply soon.
Which composite do I need? I never know which one to choose & there's always huge differences between them.

Post your tarot question & I will read on them for you


Post the tropical composite under astro.com using the Placidus house system. It won't be 100% accurate since you don't have his exact birth time but we'll able to get an idea.

As far as the tarot, is it possible to get a general oracle reading like you were doing before, otherwise I'll just post a question. Thx

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posted April 18, 2014 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

Yes, I'll do the oracle reading for you
I didn't see tropical? This is a reference point composite.

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Twirl
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posted April 18, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey TGem -

I'm getting such a soft gentle energy when I look at your card. Yet there seems some high strung energy around you and/or inwardly. I think part of you is sleeping and/or silenced. The Goddes card I pulled for you is Rhiannon. I think a part of you may need some waking up - perhaps you do not dare to share your beliefs, and spirituality with a larger crowd and/or you might stop your impressions at the time. I have difficulty typing this message - like there really is a pull of something 'not being allowed' and/or not being allowed to take action and/or something is blocked. Connect more to your inner light & strength - no need to surpress that part.

Can I ask if you are artistic at all? And secondly if you listen to The Doors (lol, yeah, I know, weird question)

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Adimi
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posted April 18, 2014 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adimi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Twirl:
Wow! Thanks so much both of you!
I will write a longer & more specific reply soon.
Which composite do I need? I never know which one to choose & there's always huge differences between them.

Post your tarot question & I will read on them for you


You're very welcome! I usually go for the midpoint composite, but the one you posted should be fine. I mean, I don't usually find big differences in the midpoint versus reference method... Do you find that with both of your charts, there's a big difference? I'll take a look at this composite in a bit.

As per my question... I'm not sure if you remember the reading you gave me on P. a while ago, but it has all come to pass *clap*clap*, ehehe. As per now, I'm just seeking clarity on his current position towards me... Feelings/intentions. It would be great if you could focus on that, please. Let me know if you'd like more of a specific question. x

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posted April 18, 2014 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adimi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Houses are a huge part of interpreting a composite, so without his precise time of birth, we can't really focus on that... However, if you have a strong suspicion that the one you posted is correct, let me just tell you that that lovely stellium in the 7th house is just outstanding. But I don't want to focus much into that, as there's a possibility that it's inaccurate.

That Venus/Jupiter conjunction shows that it's not difficult at all for you guys to express love to one another. Not only that, but there's an expansive quality in the way you love each other, for better or worse... I get the sense that, no matter what happens, you guys are always very forgiving of each other and generous, you truly wish for the best to happen to the other. The loving feelings are genuine. However, the squares to Mars + Pluto/Moon square makes me think that there may be an element of possessiveness here. Not that sick kind of possessiveness per say, just that feeling of "you belong to me and I don't want to let you go". Now, there may be other ways for these squares to express themselves, for example, in the sexual area they are certainly helpful and reenforce what the synastry has already shown. Sex can actually act as a way of expressing the potential tension created by these energies. These squares also indicate attraction and the Venus/Mars square makes me think in particular in a bit of a "cat/mouse game" in play here.

I can't help but notice that the Sun seems to be at the degree of your natal Saturn, or close to it. I'd say that perhaps you felt a different responsibility towards this relationship that you didn't feel with any other. You were comfortable with the level of support, commitment and respect reflected in this connection. Again, another binding aspect.

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Twirl
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posted April 18, 2014 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Adimi:
You're very welcome! I usually go for the midpoint composite, but the one you posted should be fine. I mean, I don't usually find big differences in the midpoint versus reference method... Do you find that with both of your charts, there's a big difference? I'll take a look at this composite in a bit.

As per my question... I'm not sure if you remember the reading you gave me on P. a while ago, but it has all come to pass *clap*clap*, ehehe. As per now, I'm just seeking clarity on his current position towards me... Feelings/intentions. It would be great if you could focus on that, please. Let me know if you'd like more of a specific question. x


Yay! Hang on, I should post the link to my site again - did you hear that people, it came TO PASS -arrows leading to my website --> -
Lol. Sorry.
Was this the reading where he was interested & then withdrew - where I felt your heavy bag? I can't fully remember (I do about 10 readings a day - so I have a hard time remembering all)
So what's the starting point now: is he interested again?
I can read on his feelings & intentions & where it's headed for sure.

I think I'll read on it in the morning when I'm fresh again.
If I read on it now I think it's less accurate & we won't want that


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Twirl
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posted April 18, 2014 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Adimi:
Houses are a huge part of interpreting a composite, so without his precise time of birth, we can't really focus on that... However, if you have a strong suspicion that the one you posted is correct, let me just tell you that that lovely stellium in the 7th house is just outstanding. But I don't want to focus much into that, as there's a possibility that it's inaccurate.

That Venus/Jupiter conjunction shows that it's not difficult at all for you guys to express love to one another. Not only that, but there's an expansive quality in the way you love each other, for better or worse... I get the sense that, no matter what happens, you guys are always very forgiving of each other and generous, you truly wish for the best to happen to the other. The loving feelings are genuine. However, the squares to Mars + Pluto/Moon square makes me think that there may be an element of possessiveness here. Not that sick kind of possessiveness per say, just that feeling of "you belong to me and I don't want to let you go". Now, there may be other ways for these squares to express themselves, for example, in the sexual area they are certainly helpful and reenforce what the synastry has already shown. Sex can actually act as a way of expressing the potential tension created by these energies. These squares also indicate attraction and the Venus/Mars square makes me think in particular in a bit of a "cat/mouse game" in play here.

I can't help but notice that the Sun seems to be at the degree of your natal Saturn, or close to it. I'd say that perhaps you felt a different responsibility towards this relationship that you didn't feel with any other. You were comfortable with the level of support, commitment and respect reflected in this connection. Again, another binding aspect.



Thanks I will start commenting on all you wrote the first time. Thanks so much.
The composite from midpoint is different. More focussed on the 6th house, not the 7th.

It was quite a difficult relationship - but couldn't stay mad or each other or even throw a fight long without ending up laughing & going into the 'oh...well...nevermind...'

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posted April 18, 2014 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Twirl:
Hey TGem -

I'm getting such a soft gentle energy when I look at your card. Yet there seems some high strung energy around you and/or inwardly. I think part of you is sleeping and/or silenced. The Goddes card I pulled for you is Rhiannon. I think a part of you may need some waking up - perhaps you do not dare to share your beliefs, and spirituality with a larger crowd and/or you might stop your impressions at the time. I have difficulty typing this message - like there really is a pull of something 'not being allowed' and/or not being allowed to take action and/or something is blocked. Connect more to your inner light & strength - no need to surpress that part.

Can I ask if you are artistic at all? And secondly if you listen to The Doors (lol, yeah, I know, weird question)


Twirl, as far as the composite goes, I don't see a heck of a lot going on with Uranus...I mean I see a venus/Uranus square but that's pretty wide at 9 degree. I see a 7 degree square to your composite ASC but then again, if you aren't confident about his birth time, the composite ASC will be off. Also we don't "technically" know what sign rules your composite DSC, so if it were to happen to receive a hard aspect from Uranus...that could be the culprit as well. Moon square Pluto can be a tough one though, especially in this case if it really does rule the DSC.

Thank you so much for doing the oracle reading for me. I am VERY Neptunian by nature, which is probably where you're getting the soft vibe from. I am very creative and I LOVE music. However, over the last 2-3 years I have become even more spiritual having undergone a kundali awakening and there is a good chance I have met my Twinflame, if not a very high level soulmate who has catapulted my spirituality tremendously. Unfortunately my TF/soulmate and I cannot be together (marriage and family obligations) and I have not been able to share all my new experiences/beliefs with my loved ones and such because they think/believe I've "gone off the deep end" per se. So in a sense, it's been a very stressful/lonely 2 years for me. Does that register at all?

Although I listen to all kinds of music, I've never really been a Doors fan...but yes.. I am artistic.

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posted April 18, 2014 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Adimi:
A Moon/Venus conjunction creates an immediate sense of "liking" for one another. I've seen that the Moon person often tends to be more outwardly expressive of this, but the feeling on the Venus person side is no less intense. It creates a really good sense of being comfort with one another and a genuine adoration. A "I can't help but smile for no reason when I see you" sort of feeling". This doesn't have to be romantic at all in nature, although it helps tremendously.

This rings truth for sure. We really fell for eachother the first time we saw each other (and didn't speak yet).


On the other hand, you also have a Moon/Saturn conjunction. A lot of people fear this aspect but I do like it. It brings groundness to your relationship, and yours is in Taurus, which keeps you guys with your feet on the ground and your reality in check. I bet it was not difficult for you guys to know where the other was standing in a particular moment of this relationship. Saturn connections bind people together (probably why you invested in this for so long) and creates a lot of loyalty & respect within the connection of two people. [/QUOTE]

Not sure avout this one. The minute we got somewhere, it became not stable at all - it was also the lifestyle we both lead though.


There's a close Mars/Pluto,Uranus & Jupiter conjunction which brings a strong attraction & attachement to one another. An electrifying energy. This along with the Mars/Jupiter opposition plus Moon/Uranus on the other side, most likely leads great sexual compatibility!! It would be interesting to see the composite aswell for this. Excitement wasn't certainly lacking and the chemistry was nothing like you've ever seen before, I bet. Uranus connections make you "feel alive" and often are what brings the "love at first sight" sort of feeling. And, of course, being bored of each other was just not possible. I just noticed the Pluto/Venus trine aswell, which reenforces all of hat I already said above. Attraction and attachement.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, this was the love at first glance. There was excitement, yes. And I was very attached to him - and he was to me. In a sweet , 'weird' kind of romance way though...


If I'm not mistaken, there seems to be a Saturn/South Node conjunction. Also a Mars & Mercury/South Node conjunction, on the other side. So this connection was most definitely karmic. I'd say that the Saturn person was the great teacher in the development of maturit of the South Node person, while the Mars/Mercury person opened up new horizons, ways of thinking and created just a general new outlook on life on the other person through the sexual energy but also through communication. Sharing was important for you guys and deep (South Node connection). There seems to be a good mutual understanding (Mercury sextiles Mercury).

[/QUOTE]

Lol. He would love that. "See babe, I am a great teacher, blablah", lol. There was absolutely a good understanding between us - I think that also made it last quite long.
Wasn't going anywhhere though and in the end we really were not compatible anymore.

I can look into this a bit more later if you wish to, hopefully someone else will be able to give you a bit more insight into this. I hope it was helpful![/QUOTE]

Very helpful, thank you!!
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Originally posted by tgem:
Sure, Twirl I'd love to help you..I'll just give my 2 cents of what pops out so strongly at me. First, yes you have ALOT of Saturn aspects...that's the glue. That's what made it go on for so long. Saturn can is the glue for good or bad. Both hard aspects and soft aspects are binding. As for the Pluto, his Pluto aspecting your Virgo stellium makes for all the obsession, attachment...especially since it's conjunct your stellium..then you add the venus/Pluto trine on top of that..that's seriously strong Pluto going on! His sun is conjunct your IC Twirl, that's a soulmate aspect..whether the relationship lasts or not..it was a relationship meant to impact you profoundly. This just validates the impact of the Pluto and Saturn. When you have personal planets aspecting ALOT of the other person's outers (in this case) it usually means a karmic relationship, as already stated. But it doesn't mean the relationship is meant to last. Next we look at the secondary house rulers: your 7th (house of marriage/partnerships) and 8th (sex/transformation) are both ruled by Jupiter. Your jupiter trines his Uranus/jupiter conjunction, almost exact, and opposes his mars/neptune conjunction tight! This brought an additional tremendous feeling of sexual attraction/fantasy/"the one" stuff. And usually, both parties feel this, it's not just one sided, especially since he has the mars/neptune conjunction natally. And with your natal venus trine neptune as well. Yep..lots of romance/ rose-colored glasses. Now for the not so good news: both of your Uranus's make hard aspects to each other personal planets (conjunctions and squares.). Although yes, it starts with the love at first sight, electric feeling, these hard aspects will be reflected in the composite and ultimately hard Uranus aspects to personal planets in the composite can end the relationship. You would need ALOT of Saturn aspects to balance those out. So if you have more hard Uranus aspects than Saturn aspects (especially if they're soft) it can show a tendency for the relationship to ultimately end. You would have to post the composite though to really find that out. But as far as the synastry you had, yes..very profound, karmic! Meant to shake you both up and definitely leave an impact. I hope this helped you get a better grasp. I didn't mention the nodes, but his SN conjunct your Virgo stellium just reinforces the karmic nature of this relationship.

Thanks so much! Yes. It did feel like a very profound relationship (actually the most profound ) It did bring all the romanticism up indeed, for both. I am not sure whose glasses were more pink - I am guessing it might very well be mine though
He asked me to marry him quite a few times though, but then he was also rather much of a commitment-phobic... (and me, and I declined, etc.) sooooo... I don't know, I would not repeat a relationship like this - lesson learned. But ooohhh - how I loved him back then (feeling-wise it compares to having easily printed out his pictures and hung them up on my wall like a teenage girl in love, lol).
It did feel very karmic (and we also met under rather weird circumstaces, so yeah, for sure the whole 'the one;, 'happy ever after' started playing music in my mind...
Don't worry about the Uranus-aspects. It's really something from the past & it wouldn't be brought back in the present & that's okay - there's also no hard feelings between us at all. (unless he secretly burns voodoo dolls with my name on it... But I doubt it)
Thanks so much!!

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