posted May 02, 2014 05:50 AM            

Here they are They split up in a huff after years being together (& had a wedding planned!) and also having a 1-year old. Now there are so much misunderstandings between them, it doesn't seem to move along at all :-/

Please leave your question for me & I will read your cards.
Thanks.

She is on the inside, he on the outside

posted May 03, 2014 11:23 AM            

Now one also has to account for any harsh aspects going on in the respective natals. If the angles are correct, tUranus is making a hard transit (square) to his NN/jupiter conjunction and it quite possibly (if you change the house system) is squaring his DSC! That's a biggie for him. On top of that, tUranus is directly opposite her natal Uranus. One can describe this transit as "going through a mid-life crisis!" Tough natal transit as well....so you put all these aspects together and BOOM...a major split. It's tough to tell if they'll get back together as the best way to know that would be a positive transit to their composite vertex but it's not shown in their chart.

Hopefully, though I have given some insight as to why it happened. Uranus transits can really stink my husband and I divorced after being married for almost 10 years when transit Uranus wet over our composite venus. At the time tPluto was also right over my natal IC (major tearing down/transformation/soul growth of for my soul (IC.). Significant transits of the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) will shake things up every time..whether we like it or not.

posted May 03, 2014 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Hi Twirl, sorry I have been delayed getting back to you but I've finally had a chance to look at the charts. The first thing that came to my mind when you described their sudden breakup was a Uranus transit. Those will split things up for sure. I'm assuming both birth times are accurate, thus making the angles accurate. Sure enough, transit Uranus is going over their composite 7th house of marriage and partnership. This is a very tough transit to weather, especially if you don't have ALOT of hard Saturn aspects to anchor the relationship down. I did look at the synastry and composite and they both actually look pretty good. However I did notice that in their composite, the Saturn aspects they do have are soft (weaker) aspects. I also noticed they have transit Pluto over their chiron in the 7th as well. This is tough as it is like adding "salt to the wound" per se. Having chiron in your 7th composite shows where their will be pain/ but ultimate healing through the partnership. Now transit neptune is going through their 6th house of everyday life..neptune is the planet of delusion. That's where the mis-understandings are coming from.

Now one also has to account for any harsh aspects going on in the respective natals. If the angles are correct, tUranus is making a hard transit (square) to his NN/jupiter conjunction and it quite possibly (if you change the house system) is squaring his DSC! That's a biggie for him. On top of that, tUranus is directly opposite her natal Uranus. One can describe this transit as "going through a mid-life crisis!" Tough natal transit as well....so you put all these aspects together and BOOM...a major split. It's tough to tell if they'll get back together as the best way to know that would be a positive transit to their composite vertex but it's not shown in their chart.

Hopefully, though I have given some insight as to why it happened. Uranus transits can really stink my husband and I divorced after being married for almost 10 years when transit Uranus wet over our composite venus. At the time tPluto was also right over my natal IC (major tearing down/transformation/soul growth of for my soul (IC.). Significant transits of the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) will shake things up every time..whether we like it or not.

I'd be interested to see if any of the readings you did for their relationship reflected this at all? Like the Tower or Death or something...

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Hi Tgem and Twirl,

I'm wondering what vertex aspects should they have to have a chance?

posted May 03, 2014 03:49 PM            

I think they have a chance to make it, but every chance had, seems to worsen things through strange actions from him or her. Like you described Pluto & salt in the wound.

Should I put in the vertex?

My card show the chance to at least calm things down, but the actions taken when there is an opening really blow me away. Every time it's then the worse thing you could do picked. So that's not helpful :-/

He said he doesn't want to continue now, but she left (in that midlife crisis feel).
Think I just gave you that feedback

Thanks so much for explains it. Astrology is so insightful for the big picture.

What can I help you with Tgem?

Edit: I have not seen a single Tower or Death in my readings. There's still a lot of Cups cards popping up. And the 9 of swords (her). 9 wands & 5 of cups (him) are prominent.

posted May 03, 2014 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Cuteleo85:
Hi Tgem and Twirl,

I'm wondering what vertex aspects should they have to have a chance?

Sorry didn't mean to interrupt. Just curious about that comment. Thanks.

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posted May 04, 2014 08:45 AM            

I'll come back with a tarot question in a bit...
Hope this helped

posted May 04, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I'm glad this resonates. Positive transits to the composite vertex can point to a reconciliation like jupiter or venus transiting the VTX axis, even asteroids valentine or Amor. The fact that you are not seeing death or tower or any of those super negative cards makes me think there is a chance for reconciliation as well. I hope it works out- although as we all know, everything happens for the best and the greater good of both parties.

I'll come back with a tarot question in a bit...
Hope this helped

IMO (although I could be wrong as you are the tarot master) the 9 of wands and 5 of cups coming up does indicate there's some hope...even though on his end he's saying he's done. This sounds to me as a significant "testing phase" for their relationship...can they make through the tough times? I think the 9 of swords with her is just showing her extreme sadness, depression, anxiety of the entire situation. I could be wrong (I'm a novice at tarot) but 5 cups and 9 wands show a chance of improvement I think.

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Thanks! I will see if any transits may occur like that.
It's obviously not super positive cards, the ones mentioned, but there's a lot of more positive cups cards present as well... So fingers crossed.

Normally a 5 cups & 9 wands doesn't make me cheer

posted May 04, 2014 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Cuteleo85:
Twirl,

Wouldn't a death card at this point be a good thing? I was always under the impression death can mean regeneration after something and moving to a different phase even within a relationship.....??? Even tower coul have some positive considering what's happened?

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It all depends on the question & position of the cards. Say you would attend a funeral because lovely auntie Gina passed away. Say they asked you to speech. Would you say to the grieving people there: "Well, you know. Life is really about regeneration. It's a new beginning."
Because Death really also means Death, an ending. Auntie Gina will not get up & mix among her friends, family, etc. With death something ends & it will not return.
Now perhaps her cousin, Lyle, inherits her money which he needed to buy a new home and start a family there & that money transforms his life. That can be the regeneration part. But death is dead, is not in this world & a point of no return...
So a Death card as a relationship outcome is not a good card if you want to get back with someone. It states it's a passed station.
Would you however ask if they would be able to overcome the past & difficulties, Death would be welcome. It clears away everything.

Hope I explained that right. This is of course my opinion of the Death card.

posted May 04, 2014 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
It all depends on the question & position of the cards. Say you would attend a funeral because lovely auntie Gina passed away. Say they asked you to speech. Would you say to the grieving people there: "Well, you know. Life is really about regeneration. It's a new beginning."
Because Death really also means Death, an ending. Auntie Gina will not get up & mix among her friends, family, etc. With death something ends & it will not return.
Now perhaps her cousin, Lyle, inherits her money which he needed to buy a new home and start a family there & that money transforms his life. That can be the regeneration part. But death is dead, is not in this world & a point of no return...
So a Death card as a relationship outcome is not a good card if you want to get back with someone. It states it's a passed station.
Would you however ask if they would be able to overcome the past & difficulties, Death would be welcome. It clears away everything.

Hope I explained that right. This is of course my opinion of the Death card.

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It does thank you! I know it's generally seen as bad news, but I have always thought, like you said, that it really depends on the other cards, question, etc.

posted May 05, 2014 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok Twirl, here is my question:
How does D feel about sending the letter I asked him to keep confidential? Is there any sense of regret or remorse?
Thanks!

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I hope I understood the question correctly. From what I understand this D. send this letter anyway, right? But you didn't want that?
If I look at D's feelings about this, there's some drama surrounded this. I'm not sure if that's you or D. But unfortunately I'm under the impression that D. Doesn't think what he/she (?) done that much of a problem. I do see the unreliability in this & possibly D. tried to brush this under the carpet. Is that correct? Did this also happen quite some time ago?
So even if there is a bit of consciousness there, it feels to me like she put it onto you. For D. This is not a big deal & she (?) has calmed her concious about this. Telling herself that it was a necessary 'evil'/'move to make'. Again, it also feels like this happened some time ago.

posted May 05, 2014 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Yes, you read the question correctly...he chose to share a confidential letter I wrote to him, against my wishes. Yes, it caused ALOT of drama on my end. This did happen about a year ago but the consequences of him doing this have even pretty tramatic on my end over this past year.

I'm not sure if he even knows the extent of the repercussions....that's why I was asking. The fact that he saw sharing the letter as a "necessary evil" does resonate though.

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I'm sorry
Aah, and since it was a he & not a she, I think he thought you made too much drama of it and/or not saw this clearly. I can see the levels of deception there, but I'm afraid that he thought you were "pulling up smoke curtains" and/or pretending something which he then used to make himself look better (something along those lines). Sorry
He isn't busy with this anymore not did he put much more thought into it :-/
I don't know what this was about, but sharing this seemed benevolent to him. Or that's my impression. What life area was this related to Tgem?

posted May 05, 2014 02:12 PM            

I feel he did it to punish me for breaking his heart....

This plays in heavily with the "happy ending" thread in the tarot interpretation forum..

posted May 05, 2014 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Cuteleo85:
It does thank you! I know it's generally seen as bad news, but I have always thought, like you said, that it really depends on the other cards, question, etc.

Thank you!

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posted May 06, 2014 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Oh boo!
Sorry about this. Hope you will be able to move past it.

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posted May 10, 2014 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Finally checked their composite Vertex which is in 20 Pisces :-/ That's not good since Chiron is there, right?

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posted May 10, 2014 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Well the vertex would then be conjunct their composite DSC. that's actually a good thing as vertex conjunct DSC is common in "destined" marriage couples. Chiron isn't all horrible. Yes, it can bring pain, but ultimately causes growth in the relationship. I don't think this is a bad thing

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