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lilacbreeze
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posted May 22, 2014 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilacbreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all!

I'm interested in learning more about my chart in terms of love and relationships. Is there anything that stands out in my chart that I should know / be aware of when it comes to this? I've had some tough heartbreaks and am now really working on healing and moving forward... so any insights would really be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

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athenegoddess
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posted May 22, 2014 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it shows relationships keep you from your destiny which is focusing on yourself and developing yourself. as long as you are focusing on others you will always be unhappy.


try forgetting about relationships for awhile. or this lifetime all together...

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posted May 23, 2014 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilacbreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for responding, athenegoddess - that does help to explain why I've felt more at peace focusing on myself / career since I've been single.

Perhaps the desire to find a lasting relationship (with that aspect to my chart) is some sort of lesson *sigh*

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posted May 23, 2014 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes its a lesson because you've spent too many lifetimes focusing on others and relationships and now its time for the wheel to turn and you need to develop your personality and your strengths and your identity.

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posted May 23, 2014 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilacbreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, thank you. So does this mean that marriage and children are unlikely for me?

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posted May 23, 2014 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Lilac. Hope you're doing well.

@Athene: I have a similarly placed node, so I need to focus on developing myself as opposed to on relationships with others as well. However, does that mean that it is bad to form relationships in general, that one cannot have a relationship that doesn't suppress one's individuality and doesn't allow them to grow as a person? I have a full fifth house. I feel like that should mean that I will have children in my life. Would that be a hinderence or might it actually help me to grow and find myself since children seem to be something big in my chart?

This may be my SN in Pisces in the 7th talking, but I feel that it is possible to be involved in a relationship, and very deeply involved at that, as long as you are able to see yourself as an individual rather than a component of the relationship.

Back to Lilac, it does look like you won't find who you're looking for until later in life, until you develop a powerful conception of yourself that can't be dissolved by a relationship. But I do believe that you will find love. It'll probably be after your Saturn Return.

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posted May 23, 2014 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KingofCups:
Hey Lilac. Hope you're doing well.

@Athene: I have a similarly placed node, so I need to focus on developing myself as opposed to on relationships with others as well. However, does that mean that it is bad to form relationships in general, that one cannot have a relationship that doesn't suppress one's individuality and doesn't allow them to grow as a person? I have a full fifth house. I feel like that should mean that I will have children in my life. Would that be a hinderence or might it actually help me to grow and find myself since children seem to be something big in my chart?

This may be my SN in Pisces in the 7th talking, but I feel that it is possible to be involved in a relationship, and very deeply involved at that, as long as you are able to see yourself as an individual rather than a component of the relationship.

Back to Lilac, it does look like you won't find who you're looking for until later in life, until you develop a powerful conception of yourself that can't be dissolved by a relationship. But I do believe that you will find love. It'll probably be after your Saturn Return.



Having children doesn't necessarily mean you will be married. Fifth house to me is
children but also having loads of fun and leisure time. As long as south node is in the 7th house, I feel the persons soul will never be happy focusing on relationships or being two rather than one this time around. its just because the soul has spent too many lifetimes focusing on the other and all that comes with it that they have never really been alone.

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posted May 23, 2014 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:

Having children doesn't necessarily mean you will be married. Fifth house to me is
children but also having loads of fun and leisure time. As long as south node is in the 7th house, I feel the persons soul will never be happy focusing on relationships or being two rather than one this time around. its just because the soul has spent too many lifetimes focusing on the other and all that comes with it that they have never really been alone.

I guess that's true. I don't know. I just don't feel this way, at least not now, even though I have SN in the Seventh. I feel like as long as I don't lose my individuality due to a relationship, being in a relationship won't be a hinderence. I realize that some people are fine with being alone, but I would prefer to have a relationship of some sort. I'm relatively selective about partners though, so that probably factors into it, but I've found myself to be happy while in a relationship. I think I grew more as an individual in my last relationship than ever before.

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posted May 23, 2014 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe what you think makes you happy is because you are so used to it and now youre being challenged to see how happy you can be alone. South node is definitely comfort and finding happiness in that comfort it can be difficult to let it go.

I have north node in the 6th house in pisces and I am only happy when I am taking extremely good care of my health. Since its in pisces it means I had to fix my health by using my intuition and spiritual means, which is exactly what I did. My south node is in the 12th which means this lifetime I can no longer repress or hide anything that needs healing in my soul. I had to deal with it all and still am dealing with a little before my Saturn return.

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posted May 23, 2014 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That actually makes perfect sense. Thanks.

But then, I have to ask, aren't you still compromising yourself? I mean, you didn't just stop caring about your health. You just took a different approach to healing, a more spiritual root rather than an objective route. Is this kind of a compromise not possible with my placements?

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posted May 23, 2014 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what do you mean by compromising myself?


what happened was when i was young wasnt conscious about my health and when i started to have problems i went to the doctor but they could never help me. so thats when i started to look at astrology to help me see what my issues were, and right away, i found the underlying problem and ever since have been on that route. my north node wants me to perfect my health so much that i transcend the physical body. i dont want just good health i want absolutely perfect highest vibration health that the body is capable of. when i start going back to my south node thats when i start cheating like ill eat bad stuff like candy or ill drink some alcohol. i still do it, but every time i do this it makes me sad on a spiritual level because i know ive been there and done that and now i need to rise above needing or wanting anything unhealthy for myself.

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posted May 23, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant aren't you yourself still compromising? Sorry, I should have worded that better. (And sorry to lilacbreeze as well for hijacking this thread.)

Doesn't the Sixth House deal with personal health though? Shouldn't someone who is Sixth House oriented want to be healthy and care a lot about their health? I feel like the Sixth House is the exact opposite of letting yourself go. The Sixth House is ruled by Virgo, which is the neat freak and the health freak of the Zodiac. No sign is more health conscious, at least in an objective way. The Twelfth is about the subconscious and spiritual healing. What you're saying sounds like you are taking a spiritual approach to bettering your health instead of an objective one. However, the end results are that you are bettering your health, and that is a Sixth House trait, so wouldn't this be a compromise?

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posted May 23, 2014 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilacbreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi King! I'm doing well thanks and I hope that you are as well.
Thanks for jumping in (no need to apologize!). I'm very new to astrology and this was my first time even looking at my chart so I find all the discussion fascinating.

I do get what you both are saying about being focused on myself. Whether or not that can happen while in a relationship is complicated - although, I am hopeful that it can happen. And thanks, King - you've highlighted something for me to research - my solar return.

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Originally posted by KingofCups:
Hey Lilac. Hope you're doing well.

@Athene: I have a similarly placed node, so I need to focus on developing myself as opposed to on relationships with others as well. However, does that mean that it is bad to form relationships in general, that one cannot have a relationship that doesn't suppress one's individuality and doesn't allow them to grow as a person? I have a full fifth house. I feel like that should mean that I will have children in my life. Would that be a hinderence or might it actually help me to grow and find myself since children seem to be something big in my chart?

This may be my SN in Pisces in the 7th talking, but I feel that it is possible to be involved in a relationship, and very deeply involved at that, as long as you are able to see yourself as an individual rather than a component of the relationship.

Back to Lilac, it does look like you won't find who you're looking for until later in life, until you develop a powerful conception of yourself that can't be dissolved by a relationship. But I do believe that you will find love. It'll probably be after your Saturn Return.


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posted May 23, 2014 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KingofCups:
I meant aren't you yourself still compromising? Sorry, I should have worded that better. (And sorry to lilacbreeze as well for hijacking this thread.)

Doesn't the Sixth House deal with personal health though? Shouldn't someone who is Sixth House oriented want to be healthy and care a lot about their health? I feel like the Sixth House is the exact opposite of letting yourself go. The Sixth House is ruled by Virgo, which is the neat freak and the health freak of the Zodiac. No sign is more health conscious, at least in an objective way. The Twelfth is about the subconscious and spiritual healing. What you're saying sounds like you are taking a spiritual approach to bettering your health instead of an objective one. However, the end results are that you are bettering your health, and that is a Sixth House trait, so wouldn't this be a compromise?



I'm still not sure what you mean by compromise.

I think the confusion is because my chart is extra difficult.

I have North node in Pisces in the 6th house and South node in Virgo in 12th house. So even though the 6th house is ruled by Virgo, mine is actually ruled by Pisces... so that means i have to be perfect in a spiritual way.. which is extra difficult. well i already did it though and have been for awhile.


it would be like someone having north node in aries in the 7th house and south node in libra in the first house.

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posted May 23, 2014 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cuteleo85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I guess that's true. I don't know. I just don't feel this way, at least not now, even though I have SN in the Seventh. I feel like as long as I don't lose my individuality due to a relationship, being in a relationship won't be a hinderence. I realize that some people are fine with being alone, but I would prefer to have a relationship of some sort. I'm relatively selective about partners though, so that probably factors into it, but I've found myself to be happy while in a relationship. I think I grew more as an individual in my last relationship than ever before.

I have SN in 7th too. I didn't fall in love for the first time until recently (saturn return too). I was incredibly distant and selfish in the past; would never get attached. Never really been fully committed and be happy with someone before (all amazing guys too). However, after a few years of hard life lessons and growing up, I was able to. It's not an easy relationship, due to current circumstances, BUT I am happy and in love with him. Not going to lie, I didn't think it was possible, but it happened.

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posted May 23, 2014 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maybe just take a look at your own role in the failure of the relationships you have. the thing that jumped out for me was the moon opp. mercury; in love that can be a harder placement to deal with because the partner can hold back with words/affection and not give full expression to how they feel. it could mean they take the other partner for granted by not expressing themselves more emotionally and/or verbally. I see that placement often appear in a natal chart of someone when a couple is having difficulties.

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posted May 23, 2014 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:

I'm still not sure what you mean by compromise.

I think the confusion is because my chart is extra difficult.

I have North node in Pisces in the 6th house and South node in Virgo in 12th house. So even though the 6th house is ruled by Virgo, mine is actually ruled by Pisces... so that means i have to be perfect in a spiritual way.. which is extra difficult. well i already did it though and have been for awhile.


it would be like someone having north node in aries in the 7th house and south node in libra in the first house.


OK. That makes sense too. I understand now why you've combined Virgo values with 12th House values.

I still, however, do not believe that it's impossible to be in a relationship and progress individually.

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Originally posted by lilacbreeze:
Hi King! I'm doing well thanks and I hope that you are as well.
Thanks for jumping in (no need to apologize!). I'm very new to astrology and this was my first time even looking at my chart so I find all the discussion fascinating.

I do get what you both are saying about being focused on myself. Whether or not that can happen while in a relationship is complicated - although, I am hopeful that it can happen. And thanks, King - you've highlighted something for me to research - my solar return.


Maybe I'm just being hopeful too, lol. Although, I have to say that if this lifetime is about me being me and I want to be in a relationship and think that I can be happy and feel myself to be happy while in a relationship, then I don't think that this is defeating any karmic purposes. I'm Uranian. Maybe that means I want to "rebel" against the laws of the universe as well. Who knows.

As far as this topic goes, you should focus on your Saturn Return. But Solar Returns are cool too.

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I have SN in 7th too. I didn't fall in love for the first time until recently (saturn return too). I was incredibly distant and selfish in the past; would never get attached. Never really been fully committed and be happy with someone before (all amazing guys too). However, after a few years of hard life lessons and growing up, I was able to. It's not an easy relationship, due to current circumstances, BUT I am happy and in love with him. Not going to lie, I didn't think it was possible, but it happened.

So many of my aspects say that I should be unable or unwilling to commit to a relationship, but I don't feel that. I feel everything else about those aspects except that. And I have yet to figure out why. I've already fallen in love once. I was definitely selective, but once I made up my mind, my Fixed Venus was fixed. I have Venus and Moon Conjunct Uranus with Uranus being between both of them, and all of them are in Aquarius, so my emotions should be really distant and I shouldn't like to commit or be loyal or whatever. But I don't see that happening in my chart.

So maybe I'm being hopeful, maybe I'm missing something, maybe I'm still naive, or maybe I'm just different, just like Uranus was meant to make people.

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posted May 23, 2014 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cuteleo85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KingofCups:
So many of my aspects say that I should be unable or unwilling to commit to a relationship, but I don't feel that. I feel everything else about those aspects except that. And I have yet to figure out why. I've already fallen in love once. I was definitely selective, but once I made up my mind, my Fixed Venus was fixed. I have Venus and Moon Conjunct Uranus with Uranus being between both of them, and all of them are in Aquarius, so my emotions should be really distant and I shouldn't like to commit or be loyal or whatever. But I don't see that happening in my chart.

So maybe I'm being hopeful, maybe I'm missing something, maybe I'm still naive, or maybe I'm just different, just like Uranus was meant to make people.


No, I believe it is possible too. Maybe we just need to grow as individuals first or simultaneously, but it's possible. Just because I'm happy and in a relationship doesn't mean I'm not myself anymore lol we're always growing.

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posted May 23, 2014 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilacbreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
maybe just take a look at your own role in the failure of the relationships you have. the thing that jumped out for me was the moon opp. mercury; in love that can be a harder placement to deal with because the partner can hold back with words/affection and not give full expression to how they feel. it could mean they take the other partner for granted by not expressing themselves more emotionally and/or verbally. I see that placement often appear in a natal chart of someone when a couple is having difficulties.

Thanks for your insight, starmoon. Not fully expressing myself in how i feel is something I've noticed and am currently trying to work on. That makes a lot of sense.

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posted May 23, 2014 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilacbreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cuteleo85:
I have SN in 7th too. I didn't fall in love for the first time until recently (saturn return too). I was incredibly distant and selfish in the past; would never get attached. Never really been fully committed and be happy with someone before (all amazing guys too). However, after a few years of hard life lessons and growing up, I was able to. It's not an easy relationship, due to current circumstances, BUT I am happy and in love with him. Not going to lie, I didn't think it was possible, but it happened.

Glad to hear that you were able to find the kind of relationship that makes you happy, Cuteleo85

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